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Quote from: LimLims on April 06, 2014, 02:55:21 PM

I actually think the logo's purpose is somewhat deeper. One aspect that I believe is crucial to Darkcoin's survival (once source is released) is remaining competitive against a carefully branded clone that intentionally avoids any of the "Dark" baggage. If we were to go open source right now I believe we'd be wide open to being completely dominated by a "light"-branded clone with strong marketing. Look at how well Hirocoin did in mere weeks, and it doesn't even have Darksend. Selecting an accessible, mainstream logo that avoids any dark connotations and doing some major work on branding reduces the scope for this.

I agree 100%.

I'm glad you all have veto power.

The coin is named Darkcoin, you might as well embrace it some flowers next to a colorful "D" will change nothing. Grin

There is some merit to this. If you look at Tesla for example. Green energy companies have been notoriously unsuccessful, mostly do to a very saturated market, with tons of green energy companies touting how cool it is to be green. Tesla just took it to the extreme, and said green is just so so so cool. Their logo and everything fully embraces the coolness. The thing is, there are like 100s of cryptos right now that are purely going for "cool", and I think the better way to monopolize a part of the market, would be to retain the cool, but go for something more specific and trustworthy. This again, should be based on the developers' specific vision for the coin.

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Quote from: Kai Proctor on April 06, 2014, 02:40:32 PM

The young or cool look doesn't seem to bother anyone for other currencies (e.g. Doge).

Other currencies don't have the unique marketing challenge that we face -- that is, overcoming the stigma of being the "Dark" coin, and all the connotations that arise from this in the mind of readers.

I suspect the reason this issue isn't being taken as seriously as is warranted is because the effects aren't immediately or directly felt, and because the "dark" connotations don't bother us personally. If a clone with better branding overtakes us in market share, it will become clear in retrospect that a large proportion of the market was holding back from investing in darkcoin specifically because of our branding. Except by then it will be too late. If you read up on what people think about darkcoin outside of here, you'll see a lot higher frequency of the opinion that the name & branding will prevent us from ever gaining a significant market share. If people are thinking this way, then you can bet that it's influencing where they invest.

In that case, we should launch a clone and keep the development tied.

Its no different to VW using the same components for Skoda or Bentley. Sokda makes a profit because it attracts a value proposition, but its engineering is based on out of date VW designs. That way VW is premium, and Skoda can remain affordable.

Lead with Darkcoin, recycle new releases every 3 months later into something else.

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Quote from: Kai Proctor on April 06, 2014, 02:40:32 PM

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Quote from: Kai Proctor on April 06, 2014, 02:40:32 PM

There NEEDs to be one extra added to this.

Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an optioUSA n.

I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin Cool

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Also please note: to ensure a fair vote, only one version of each design is included. Your vote for a particular design will count for all variations on that design.

I'm expecting that an official coin graphic will be created from whichever logo is chosen, so no need to add them to the vote.

If anyone has some free time, it'd be great to see mockups of all 10 candidate logos as coins.

I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is.

I vote 6 also, but I'm not going for it as the coolest. I think it looks sophisticated, smart, and also edgy. DarkCoin is a cool coin clever and sophisticated as you say, but it's also has that slight edge, slightly almost underground feel to it due to DarkSend and other innovations.

What ones do you prefer watuba?

I guess it could be seen as sophisticated, and definitely edgy. I just think it also looks a little "young" and less trustworthy. I actually like number 8 now for the reasons stated above. It's certainly not as cool or "edgy" as number 6, but it's safe, clever, and still appealing. If I were going to ten different companies to entrust my wealth with, I would pick number 8 or 2 far ahead of the others. Then maybe 4 as a distant 3rd place.

The young or cool look doesn't seem to bother anyone for other currencies (e.g. Doge). However, I feel that the #6 looks rather professional and sophisticated. You say that everybody will go for the look, but so are the consumers, the packaging makes the product more appealing.

The thing is Doge won't last long term. It's a fad. Packaging is very important, and the flashiest packaging may attract the most consumers attention, but it alone doesn't bring long term success and trustworthiness. With items that I can impulse buy, like headphones, etc, simply flashy packaging may make the product sell more and appeal, but in this market, we're trying to get people to store their wealth long term. That requires initial appeal AND lasting trustworthiness. Most cryptos do look very young and cool, and most will not be around in a year. Let's stand out, and go for something in addition to cool.

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The young or cool look doesn't seem to bother anyone for other currencies (e.g. Doge).

Other currencies don't have the unique marketing challenge that we face -- that is, overcoming the stigma of being the "Dark" coin, and all the connotations that arise from this in the mind of potential users & investors.

I suspect the reason this issue isn't being taken as seriously as is warranted is because the effects aren't immediately or directly felt, and because the "dark" connotations don't bother us personally. If a clone with better branding overtakes us in market share, it will become clear in retrospect that a large proportion of the market was holding back from investing in darkcoin specifically because of our branding. Except by then it will be too late. If you read up on what people think about darkcoin outside of here, you'll see a lot higher frequency of the opinion that the name & branding will prevent Darkcoin from ever gaining a significant market share. If people are thinking this way, then you can bet that it's influencing where they invest.

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Quote from: TanteStefana on April 06, 2014, 02:41:00 PM

Quote from: blajde on April 06, 2014, 02:24:01 PM

I actually think the logo's purpose is somewhat deeper. One aspect that I believe is crucial to Darkcoin's survival (once source is released) is remaining competitive against a carefully branded clone that intentionally avoids any of the "Dark" baggage. If we were to go open source right now I believe we'd be wide open to being completely dominated by a "light"-branded clone with strong marketing. Look at how well Hirocoin did in mere weeks, and it doesn't even have Darksend. Selecting an accessible, mainstream logo that avoids any dark connotations and doing some major work on branding reduces the scope for this.

I agree 100%.

I'm glad you all have veto power.

The coin is named Darkcoin, you might as well embrace it some flowers next to a colorful "D" will change nothing. Grin

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Quote from: TanteStefana on April 06, 2014, 02:18:12 PM

Quote from: Terzo on April 06, 2014, 12:20:54 PM

Is it true, that at the moment 79,9% of the DARKCOINS are instamined (in the devs wallets) And this "Block reward": 2222222/(((Difficulty+2600)/9)^2)d is made to f..ck the ordinary miner ??

There was a mistake made in the beginning, you can read all about it here:
https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

In the end, yes about 1.7 million was mined in the first 24 hours, mind by whomever was there, not one person. But please read the background. If this bothers you, so be it

I think it's important to argue the fact that even if there was this distribution ratio none of the early adopters would hurt the price by dumping evident after this period of time since. People are in it because of usage not quick buck

Well, you can also see it as this being the reason the price has remained so low for so long, as a slow dumping is occurring. But that's cool too because it spreads the coins to newcomers and eventually they will run out of coins to sell. It's actually been a blessing, in my opinion, because I think we're achieving a good distribution of coins because of this mistake!

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Quote from: watuba on April 06, 2014, 02:06:06 PM

I actually think the logo's purpose is somewhat deeper. One aspect that I believe is crucial to Darkcoin's survival (once source is released) is remaining competitive against a carefully branded clone that intentionally avoids any of the "Dark" baggage. If we were to go open source right now I believe we'd be wide open to being completely dominated by a "light"-branded clone with strong marketing. Look at how well Hirocoin did in mere weeks, and it doesn't even have Darksend. Selecting an accessible, mainstream logo that avoids any dark connotations and doing some major work on branding reduces the scope for this.

I agree 100%.

I'm glad you all have veto power.

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Quote from: mattmct on April 06, 2014, 01:59:32 PM

Quote from: LimLims on April 06, 2014, 01:24:04 PM

There NEEDs to be one extra added to this.

Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an optioUSA n.

I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin Cool

Quote

Also please note: to ensure a fair vote, only one version of each design is included. Your vote for a particular design will count for all variations on that design.

I'm expecting that an official coin graphic will be created from whichever logo is chosen, so no need to add them to the vote.

If anyone has some free time, it'd be great to see mockups of all 10 candidate logos as coins.

I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is.

I vote 6 also, but I'm not going for it as the coolest. I think it looks sophisticated, smart, and also edgy. DarkCoin is a cool coin clever and sophisticated as you say, but it's also has that slight edge, slightly almost underground feel to it due to DarkSend and other innovations.

What ones do you prefer watuba?

I guess it could be seen as sophisticated, and definitely edgy. I just think it also looks a little "young" and less trustworthy. I actually like number 8 now for the reasons stated above. It's certainly not as cool or "edgy" as number 6, but it's safe, clever, and still appealing. If I were going to ten different companies to entrust my wealth with, I would pick number 8 or 2 far ahead of the others. Then maybe 4 as a distant 3rd place.

The young or cool look doesn't seem to bother anyone for other currencies (e.g. Doge). However, I feel that the #6 looks rather professional and sophisticated. You say that everybody will go for the look, but so are the consumers, the packaging makes the product more appealing.

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Proposed selection of logo candidates

The vote will happen tomorrow, so if the selection in the following thread is missing your favourite, please let me know:

https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/proposed-selection-of-logo-candidates-for-voting.216/

I do like community engagement, but sometimes views are important but executive decisions are needed.

You need to pull off the trick of seeking views, ensuring people remain engaged regardless of the outcome, but make an executive decision as a small group with an appointed lead, Evan, taking on recommendations from the selected group.

There are a group of people that have a vision for this coin, some can see some roadblocks and others can consider the long-term opportunities.

Every large company works in small units. Running important decisions that have lasting strategic consequences through open voting will get you numerous split views and no real overriding results that everyone can live with.

Just my view.

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Quote from: Kai Proctor on April 06, 2014, 01:32:29 PM

Quote from: LimLims on April 06, 2014, 01:24:04 PM

Proposed selection of logo candidates

The vote will happen tomorrow, so if the selection in the following thread is missing your favourite, please let me know:

https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/proposed-selection-of-logo-candidates-for-voting.216/

N°6 for me Cheesy

I felt the same way but then slept on it a couple of days and now number 2 is really growing on me.

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Having a public voting poll for which logo best fits DRK is sort of like having a voting poll for which girl should date a certain guy in question. So you have 10 pictures of women. The hottest looking girl is probably going to get the most votes. But let's say we know the dude, and what might fit him best. And while there's only so much you can infer from these 10 pictures, you can pick up on little details like how much makeup they wear, their clothing, style etc, and make a somewhat educated guess on which woman would actually be the best fit for the dude. I feel like in this case, the people who know DRK the best, ie the developers/people who are good at branding, should be doing the voting. Anyone else is just going to vote for the hottest looking logo, which may not be the best for long term success.

If you look at some modern logos, DropBox, Cisco, Pandora... these aren't the "coolest" looking logos. They're appealing and professional, but also fit the the companies like a glove. Some careful thought from the executives who really understand the company went into that.

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Quote from: TanteStefana on April 06, 2014, 02:18:12 PM

Quote from: Terzo on April 06, 2014, 12:20:54 PM

Is it true, that at the moment 79,9% of the DARKCOINS are instamined (in the devs wallets) And this "Block reward": 2222222/(((Difficulty+2600)/9)^2)d is made to f..ck the ordinary miner ??

There was a mistake made in the beginning, you can read all about it here:
https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

In the end, yes about 1.7 million was mined in the first 24 hours, mind by whomever was there, not one person. But please read the background. If this bothers you, so be it

I think it's important to argue the fact that even if there was this distribution ratio none of the early adopters would hurt the price by dumping evident after this period of time since. People are in it because of usage not quick buck

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Quote from: Terzo on April 06, 2014, 12:20:54 PM

Is it true, that at the moment 79,9% of the DARKCOINS are instamined (in the devs wallets) And this "Block reward": 2222222/(((Difficulty+2600)/9)^2)d is made to f..ck the ordinary miner ??

There was a mistake made in the beginning, you can read all about it here:
https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

In the end, yes about 1.7 million was mined in the first 24 hours, mind by whomever was there, not one person. But please read the background. If this bothers you, so be it

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I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is.

I actually think the logo's purpose is somewhat deeper. One aspect that I believe is crucial to Darkcoin's survival (once source is released) is remaining competitive against a carefully branded clone that intentionally avoids any of the "Dark" baggage. If we were to go open source right now I believe we'd be wide open to being completely dominated by a "light"-branded clone with strong marketing. Look at how well Hirocoin did in mere weeks, and it doesn't even have Darksend. Selecting an accessible, mainstream logo that avoids any dark connotations and doing some major work on branding reduces the scope for this.

I completely agree. But, as I said above, I think the purpose will get lost in the masses voting just based on what looks cool.

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Quote from: mattmct on April 06, 2014, 01:59:32 PM

I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is.

I actually think the logo's purpose is somewhat deeper. One aspect that I believe is crucial to Darkcoin's survival (once source is released) is remaining competitive against a carefully branded clone that intentionally avoids any of the "Dark" baggage. If we were to go open source right now I believe we'd be wide open to being completely dominated by a "light"-branded clone with strong marketing. Look at how well Hirocoin did in mere weeks, and it doesn't even have Darksend. Selecting an accessible, mainstream logo that avoids any dark connotations and doing some major work on branding reduces the scope for this.

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There NEEDs to be one extra added to this.

Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an optioUSA n.

I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin Cool

Quote

Also please note: to ensure a fair vote, only one version of each design is included. Your vote for a particular design will count for all variations on that design.

I'm expecting that an official coin graphic will be created from whichever logo is chosen, so no need to add them to the vote.

If anyone has some free time, it'd be great to see mockups of all 10 candidate logos as coins.

I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is.

I vote 6 also, but I'm not going for it as the coolest. I think it looks sophisticated, smart, and also edgy. DarkCoin is a cool coin clever and sophisticated as you say, but it's also has that slight edge, slightly almost underground feel to it due to DarkSend and other innovations.

What ones do you prefer watuba?

I guess it could be seen as sophisticated, and definitely edgy. I just think it also looks a little "young" and less trustworthy. I actually like number 8 now for the reasons stated above. It's certainly not as cool or "edgy" as number 6, but it's safe, clever, and still appealing. If I were going to ten different companies to entrust my wealth with, I would pick number 8 or 2 far ahead of the others. Then maybe 4 as a distant 3rd place.

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There NEEDs to be one extra added to this.

Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an option.

I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin Cool

Quote

Also please note: to ensure a fair vote, only one version of each design is included. Your vote for a particular design will count for all variations on that design.

I'm expecting that an official coin graphic will be created from whichever logo is chosen, so no need to add them to the vote.

If anyone has some free time, it'd be great to see mockups of all 10 candidate logos as coins.

I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is.

I vote 6 also, but I'm not going for it as the coolest. I think it looks sophisticated, smart, and also edgy. DarkCoin is a cool coin clever and sophisticated as you say, but it's also has that slight edge, slightly almost underground feel to it due to DarkSend and other innovations.

What ones do you prefer watuba?

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There NEEDs to be one extra added to this.

Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an option.

I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin Cool

Quote

Also please note: to ensure a fair vote, only one version of each design is included. Your vote for a particular design will count for all variations on that design.

I'm expecting that an official coin graphic will be created from whichever logo is chosen, so no need to add them to the vote.

If anyone has some free time, it'd be great to see mockups of all 10 candidate logos as coins.

Awesome, cheers for clarifying that Lims.

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There NEEDs to be one extra added to this.

Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an option.

I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin Cool

Quote

Also please note: to ensure a fair vote, only one version of each design is included. Your vote for a particular design will count for all variations on that design.

I'm expecting that an official coin graphic will be created from whichever logo is chosen, so no need to add them to the vote.

If anyone has some free time, it'd be great to see mockups of all 10 candidate logos as coins.

I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is.

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