Chaps, I agree that Snowden has highlighted something worth highlighting and at great personal cost to himself and probably his family.
But giving him money direct using DarkSend is not the best idea. Send it to his lawyers.
Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 6606. (Read 9723680 times)
March 12, 2014, 10:43:34 AM
March 12, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
I'm rather new here, but what is the status on KGW for Darkcoin?
I'm reading that its vulnerable to a time-warp exploit and allows for someone to execute a 51% attack with much less than 51% of the network. The Digibyte devs successfully mitigated that exploit with a modified version of KGW and the Doge devs are implementing something similar as well. Any way that Dark can leverage those two implementations?
Is this anything that Darkcoin should be worried about?
I'm reading that its vulnerable to a time-warp exploit and allows for someone to execute a 51% attack with much less than 51% of the network. The Digibyte devs successfully mitigated that exploit with a modified version of KGW and the Doge devs are implementing something similar as well. Any way that Dark can leverage those two implementations?
Is this anything that Darkcoin should be worried about?
I'd be surprised if Evan slapped KGW on to his code, but would probably have implemented the idea, though I'm not sure. Evan, you got a response?
I'm sure he would be aware of the exploit though I don't know?
March 12, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
To be honest, I'm a little ticked that this started out as "Bounty pool for marketing and branding" and now it's just "Darkcoin bounties" including bug reports etc. I'm fine with that for now, if that's what the funds are most needed for at this point.
But at some point, we need a REAL marketing pool, and it shouldn't be just spent on these incremental increases in value. It should be spent on something AWESOME. Marketing is an art, you don't just pay out a couple hundred bucks to make a slightly better website or translate to an additional language. At least, that's not ultimately the best use of funds when you're ready for mass adoption. Right now, this thread has ~171,000 page views. That's great for now. A liberal estimate means maybe 200,000 people have heard of Darkcoin. All it takes is one good marketing play... one single thing that stands out, and you get over 10 million people that have now heard about your coin. Doge has no technical use whatsoever and is far less interesting than DRK, but a brilliant marketing idea like donating $30k to the jamaiican bobsled team generates over 10 million views. We need to find our own crazy marketing idea. I'm not sure what exactly that is, but something that fits DRK and will get 10 million views based just on one single marketing effort. This doesn't have to cost much, but it will take a decent chunk of any marketing pool and be worth way more than the sum of all of these incremental updates. It could be something like a billboard. You can rent out a billboard for a month that displays digital ads in a high traffic area along the freeway for under $1000/month. This probably isn't the best fit for DRK, but someone has to get creative and figure out what that is.
I'd be willing to donate 5 to 10x my previous contribution to a marketing pool with a real marketing idea like this.
But at some point, we need a REAL marketing pool, and it shouldn't be just spent on these incremental increases in value. It should be spent on something AWESOME. Marketing is an art, you don't just pay out a couple hundred bucks to make a slightly better website or translate to an additional language. At least, that's not ultimately the best use of funds when you're ready for mass adoption. Right now, this thread has ~171,000 page views. That's great for now. A liberal estimate means maybe 200,000 people have heard of Darkcoin. All it takes is one good marketing play... one single thing that stands out, and you get over 10 million people that have now heard about your coin. Doge has no technical use whatsoever and is far less interesting than DRK, but a brilliant marketing idea like donating $30k to the jamaiican bobsled team generates over 10 million views. We need to find our own crazy marketing idea. I'm not sure what exactly that is, but something that fits DRK and will get 10 million views based just on one single marketing effort. This doesn't have to cost much, but it will take a decent chunk of any marketing pool and be worth way more than the sum of all of these incremental updates. It could be something like a billboard. You can rent out a billboard for a month that displays digital ads in a high traffic area along the freeway for under $1000/month. This probably isn't the best fit for DRK, but someone has to get creative and figure out what that is.
I'd be willing to donate 5 to 10x my previous contribution to a marketing pool with a real marketing idea like this.
+1
I am thinking something to do with Edward Snowden might be interesting. If that story had just broke and we were raising funds for him in DRK it would be perfect. The bit about the DRK fundraising would have piggy backed on all the press about him. It's less topical now though. Maybe getting the Snowden Defense Fund to accept Darkcoin would be some news?
If there is ever an individual whose privacy is violated and it becomes national news, fundraising for them may work.
Evan said (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5184431) he would be speaking at the Cryptocurrency Convention on April 9th but don't see him on the speakers list. If there's anything we can do to support him in that or getting similar speaking opportunities I think it is the best use of funds/time in liu of a brilliant marketing idea.
Why try court so much controversy? It will bring negative headlines. The principle that any news, even bad news, is good for publicity? Maybe, but then you spend years trying to shake off the negative image - like bitcoin and silk road.
Why not go after a more positive approach - North Korean people being able to access online payment services thanks to darkcoin - that would be practically impossible, but that sort of thing.
I'll try and see if I can get Satoshi to move his bunch of BTC though DRK. That would make the news
+1
If the coin provides anonymity and it is well highlighted, those who need that feature whoever they may be will be attracted.
These are really good BIG MARKETING ideas that could totally align with DRK. Funding a Snowden Defense Fund would be a strong play at spreading massive awareness for darkcoin AND provide an actual avenue that the coins can be used. Ie, people buy coins just to donate. If not the Snowden fund, make a large publicized donation to something similar that Darkcoin has a real use for.
I like this too. I'm thankful someone like Snowden stepped up to the plate, and Obama's administration were fools not to give him a pardon, so they could minimize the controversy and leakage - They still don't know what he has and now the Russians have him. Stupid move. And the kid is hardly a criminal! Stupid stupid stupid!
March 12, 2014, 10:28:48 AM
Hi,
As promised, I'm currently working on an infographic and other promo materials.
This is the first draft. Constructive criticisms please. I used the reference given here for DarkSend.
https://i.imgur.com/FTL8o5V.png
Keep me motivated - Xt2BE83Nwts16Gm3VX8UPfMMbj5haWk514
I only have 0.83 DRK!
As promised, I'm currently working on an infographic and other promo materials.
This is the first draft. Constructive criticisms please. I used the reference given here for DarkSend.
https://i.imgur.com/FTL8o5V.png
Keep me motivated - Xt2BE83Nwts16Gm3VX8UPfMMbj5haWk514
I only have 0.83 DRK!
Ok, I got some ideas, hope you don't mind:
1. where you write 84M darkcoins to be produced, can you add over the next 70+ years? So people understand it's much rarer than that?
2. I don't think you have the logistics quite right, with how darksend works. The amounts that go into the pool are in rounded up amounts. 100, 10, 1, .1, 01. This pooled with others that have put in the same amounts. The proper amount is forwarded to the recipient, and the change or difference is returned to the original sender using a throw away address that can not be attributed to any of the original senders.
3. Under "How do I get DarkCoins" it's better to say "trade in your Bitcoins for Darkcoins at an exchange"
I love your drawings! It's really great! I've given out more than I'll ever see again, but I've sent you a tiny amount, wish I had more to send!
March 12, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
Thanks for all the comments. I'm taking notes.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
"DarkSend Transfers are very difficult to trace, if not impossible" can imply that with the proper motivation and means the tranfers can be traced, why not : "DarkSend Transfers are impossible to trace" instead, can we say that now ?
That's hard to say - I would never make that kind of statement and it would likely hurt our credibility. The entire field of cryptography is based around the principle that you can make things hard but never make them impossible. It is widely held principle in the related field of computer security as well - and it makes people who know the field nervous if you make a statement like that - and tends to piss them off.
Even if it were impossible theoretically - in general - there would likely eventually be a side-channel attack that would allow someone - under certain conditions - to trace it - again, hurting the coin due to a naive statement of impossibility.
That's true, so something like "The DarkSend protocol allows untraceable transfers*" can be good ?
Two things:
- The DarkSend protocol isn't encrypted at all, I'm not even sure it needs to be with the way I'm designing it.
- Transactions added to the blockchain are nearly impossible to figure out who the payer and payee is and link them together. However, it doesn't allow "untracable transfers". You could put "theoretically untraceable transfers".
March 12, 2014, 10:23:55 AM
The word "private" will go better with the masses than "untraceable" or "anonymous" imo.
"With DRK, unlike with any other cryptocurrency, your private finances will stay private."
"With DRK, unlike with any other cryptocurrency, your private finances will stay private."
+1
Also, "untraceable" is sort of like calling something "unhackable", which is generally a bad idea and proves false in the long run.
March 12, 2014, 10:21:22 AM
Thinking of mining Dark again. With the current diff, how many darks can I expect with 4 - 280x's? Thanks.
Around 12-14 / day
March 12, 2014, 10:17:08 AM
The word "private" will go better with the masses than "untraceable" or "anonymous" imo.
"With DRK, unlike with any other cryptocurrency, your private finances will stay private."
"With DRK, unlike with any other cryptocurrency, your private finances will stay private."
+1
The DarkSend protocol allows encrypted transfers - what about that ^^
+1
The DarkSend protocol allows {private|encrypted} transfers.
Simple and clear.
March 12, 2014, 10:11:02 AM
Thinking of mining Dark again. With the current diff, how many darks can I expect with 4 - 280x's? Thanks.
March 12, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Thanks for all the comments. I'm taking notes.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
I dig it, one add I might note though regarding DarkSend is that it is trustless and decentralized, otherwise it sounds like just another mixing service (ex. fedoracoin).
March 12, 2014, 10:08:43 AM
The word "private" will go better with the masses than "untraceable" or "anonymous" imo.
"With DRK, unlike with any other cryptocurrency, your private finances will stay private."
"With DRK, unlike with any other cryptocurrency, your private finances will stay private."
March 12, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
Thanks for all the comments. I'm taking notes.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
"DarkSend Transfers are very difficult to trace, if not impossible" can imply that with the proper motivation and means the tranfers can be traced, why not : "DarkSend Transfers are impossible to trace" instead, can we say that now ?
That's hard to say - I would never make that kind of statement and it would likely hurt our credibility. The entire field of cryptography is based around the principle that you can make things hard but never make them impossible. It is widely held principle in the related field of computer security as well - and it makes people who know the field nervous if you make a statement like that - and tends to piss them off.
Even if it were impossible theoretically - in general - there would likely eventually be a side-channel attack that would allow someone - under certain conditions - to trace it - again, hurting the coin due to a naive statement of impossibility.
That's true, so something like "The DarkSend protocol allows untraceable transfers*" can be good ?
March 12, 2014, 10:04:38 AM
Thanks for all the comments. I'm taking notes.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
"DarkSend Transfers are very difficult to trace, if not impossible" can imply that with the proper motivation and means the tranfers can be traced, why not : "DarkSend Transfers are impossible to trace" instead, can we say that now ?
That's hard to say - I would never make that kind of statement and it would likely hurt our credibility. The entire field of cryptography is based around the principle that you can make things hard but never make them impossible. It is widely held principle in the related field of computer security as well - and it makes people who know the field nervous if you make a statement like that - and tends to piss them off.
Even if it were impossible theoretically - in general - there would likely eventually be a side-channel attack that would allow someone - under certain conditions - to trace it - again, hurting the coin due to a naive statement of impossibility.
That's true, so something like "The DarkSend protocol allows untraceable transfers*" can be good ?
March 12, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
is there a 32-bit version of a cpu/gpu miner yet?
March 12, 2014, 09:46:38 AM
Please come and mine together.
Darkcoin Mining Pool Hub
http://darkcoin.miningpoolhub.com
- 0% Fee
- US / Asia servers.
Current block finding stats.
228 miners
1030.32 Mh/s
All time stats : 84.61% (Ideally 100%. Lower value is better)
Last 24 hours : 82.03%
Super lucky pool, isn't it?
Come~
Darkcoin Mining Pool Hub
http://darkcoin.miningpoolhub.com
- 0% Fee
- US / Asia servers.
Current block finding stats.
228 miners
1030.32 Mh/s
All time stats : 84.61% (Ideally 100%. Lower value is better)
Last 24 hours : 82.03%
Super lucky pool, isn't it?
Come~
March 12, 2014, 09:42:14 AM
Thanks for all the comments. I'm taking notes.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
"DarkSend Transfers are very difficult to trace, if not impossible" can imply that with the proper motivation and means the tranfers can be traced, why not : "DarkSend Transfers are impossible to trace" instead, can we say that now ?
That's hard to say - I would never make that kind of statement and it would likely hurt our credibility. The entire field of cryptography is based around the principle that you can make things hard but never make them impossible. It is widely held principle in the related field of computer security as well - and it makes people who know the field nervous if you make a statement like that - and tends to piss them off.
Even if it were impossible theoretically - in general - there would likely eventually be a side-channel attack that would allow someone - under certain conditions - to trace it - again, hurting the coin due to a naive statement of impossibility.
March 12, 2014, 09:39:17 AM
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March 12, 2014, 09:28:05 AM
Thanks for all the comments. I'm taking notes.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
"DarkSend Transfers are very difficult to trace, if not impossible" can imply that with the proper motivation and means the tranfers can be traced, why not : "DarkSend Transfers are impossible to trace" instead, can we say that now ?
March 12, 2014, 09:00:53 AM
Thanks for all the comments. I'm taking notes.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
All the materials are work-in-progress, so I appreciate inputs.
One small thing. About the 84m coin produced, have to specify that it would be in (don't remember ) but almost in 70 years....
March 12, 2014, 08:57:42 AM
Someone pointed some serious hashing power to lotterymining pool today. 1,185,870Khs
That is pretty insane.
Someone want to stack up with coins before takeoff.
That is pretty insane.
Someone want to stack up with coins before takeoff.
im looking through the stats, something is fishy with that.. notice no blocks found.. we shpuld find loads of blocks...
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