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Adding Complete Anonymity to DarkSend



As most of you are aware, we're currently building the decentralized foundation that that the future DarkSend implementation will sit on. DarkSend provides some basic anonymity currently, but this implementation shown above can be very robust, providing no way to determine the source or destination of money traveling through Darkcoin.

It'll use 2 separate stages in the pooling system, one to gather enough inputs to add a level of anonymity and one to merge them back together.

So the pay-ins and pay-outs end up being the same?  That seems traceable?  I'm sure I'm not understanding something... help please?

You pay into a bucket of 5's, 10's, 50's, etc. The bucket pays out exact amounts. So you can't tell who's money is who's between step 2 and step 3, so when they actually pay out the trail is gone.

How about this example, six people empty their wallets into a bucket, that bucket now has $2460 in it. A new group of 6 people come in take out their amounts. Who paid who?

If I know how much each of the six wallets had that were emptied, couldn't I also link that up with the 6 different people that come in and take out their amounts(since each of the 6 people would take out an amount equal to one of the wallets that was emptied)?  Sorry, I'm really slow too!

For example, 6 people drop off their payments $123, $31.45, $1, $2, $3, $4, and six different people later collect $123, $31.45, $1, $2, $3, $4, don't I know who paid who?
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Thanks HammerHedd, I think you're right.  But I think there is something to what watuba said as well.

eduffield, does our wallet also "collect" using one of it's pre-created addresses that sits in reserve? (colored hoping to catch his attention, LOL)

When it's in the first iteration it would be paying to the address pool, the unused addresses in that pool specifically. I'm hoping that's what you were asking?

Um, who's pool?  the sender?
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You pay into a bucket of 5's, 10's, 50's, etc. The bucket pays out exact amounts. So you can't tell who's money is who's between step 2 and step 3, so when they actually pay out the trail is gone.

How about this example, six people empty their wallets into a bucket, that bucket now has $2460 in it. A new group of 6 people come in take out their amounts. Who paid who?

ok, since I'm not the smartest person, but still think I'm average so that other people might have the same question, does the block chain show person A spit out 10, 9, .6 and .03

and person B received the same denominations (which is what the chart shows)?  

I mean, did you mistakenly  make the chart a bit too simple?  Wouldn't the combinations change?
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Thanks HammerHedd, I think you're right.  But I think there is something to what watuba said as well.

eduffield, does our wallet also "collect" using one of it's pre-created addresses that sits in reserve? (colored hoping to catch his attention, LOL)

When it's in the first iteration it would be paying to the address pool, the unused addresses in that pool specifically. I'm hoping that's what you were asking?
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Adding Complete Anonymity to DarkSend



As most of you are aware, we're currently building the decentralized foundation that that the future DarkSend implementation will sit on. DarkSend provides some basic anonymity currently, but this implementation shown above can be very robust, providing no way to determine the source or destination of money traveling through Darkcoin.

It'll use 2 separate stages in the pooling system, one to gather enough inputs to add a level of anonymity and one to merge them back together.

So the pay-ins and pay-outs end up being the same?  That seems traceable?  I'm sure I'm not understanding something... help please?

You pay into a bucket of 5's, 10's, 50's, etc. The bucket pays out exact amounts. So you can't tell who's money is who's between step 2 and step 3, so when they actually pay out the trail is gone.

How about this example, six people empty their wallets into a bucket, that bucket now has $2460 in it. A new group of 6 people come in take out their amounts. Who paid who?
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Thanks HammerHedd, I think you're right.  But I think there is something to what watuba said as well.

eduffield, does our wallet also "collect" using one of it's pre-created addresses that sits in reserve? (colored hoping to catch his attention, LOL)
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Adding Complete Anonymity to DarkSend



As most of you are aware, we're currently building the decentralized foundation that that the future DarkSend implementation will sit on. DarkSend provides some basic anonymity currently, but this implementation shown above can be very robust, providing no way to determine the source or destination of money traveling through Darkcoin.

It'll use 2 separate stages in the pooling system, one to gather enough inputs to add a level of anonymity and one to merge them back together.

So the pay-ins and pay-outs end up being the same?  That seems traceable?  I'm sure I'm not understanding something... help please?

Well, in one way, they would have to be since you (payer A) are sending a specific amount to Receiver A. But instead of getting the amount all at one time, they would ge4t it in chunks, which would be more difficult to trace back.

Consider -

I mine on a pool or two, so I get a coin or fraction of a coin every day. Now, someone sends me 10 DRK. Instead of getting a transaction of 10 DRK, I get a transaction of 5 DRK, 2.5 DRK, 1 DRK, etc.. Although at some point Payer A sent similar amounts to the BBOF in the middle, so did anyone else sending Darksend coins. So, payers A, B, and C all sent similar small amounts, and Receivers A, B, and C all receive similar amounts. You could eventually possibly calculate this with only one or two people sending and receiving, but after 100 people, it could realistically become impossible.

I feel like I didn't explain that very well.... Sad It makes more sense in my head.
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Adding Complete Anonymity to DarkSend



As most of you are aware, we're currently building the decentralized foundation that that the future DarkSend implementation will sit on. DarkSend provides some basic anonymity currently, but this implementation shown above can be very robust, providing no way to determine the source or destination of money traveling through Darkcoin.

It'll use 2 separate stages in the pooling system, one to gather enough inputs to add a level of anonymity and one to merge them back together.

Can I add this chart to wikipedia?
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As I understand it, and I may be totally incorrect, when this system in place, you won't know which addresses are payins and which addresses are payouts.  So, the 5.45 DRK transfer and 5.45 DRK recievee addresses will be indistinguishable from the 5 DRK, 0.25 DRK or whatever denomination addresses in the pools.  Someone correct me quickly if I'm wrong, or explain this better.

Oh, ok, I think you're right, LOL, I just get confused easily (and forget!)
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Quiet you... its summer here and my rigs love it compared to scrypt 3MH running at 2.4-2.8 during the day... 10MH on DRK
It's goin to be a cold winter for me. Good for electricity bill though.  Smiley
Simple solution...double your number of mining rigs.
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we are growing, come and help mine darkcoin, and get a chance of winning the lottery pool.

once a week 50% of the fees, will be drawn,
to one lucky winner... is it your turn next?

Pool Pays Witdrawal fee: 0.0
Please spread your hashing power, we dont want 1 pool to have >50%

DDOS Protected pool

Come over to the new server, its blasting fast compared to the old server
old miners, your miners have been port forwarded to the new server,
when you get the time, change it to stratum+tcp://lotterymining.com:4444

After tomorrows lottery draw, the following 7 days there will be a draw EACH day, for 50% of the fees + 28.5 DRK
The first draw of the new round, will be Wednesday lotterypool then: 28.5 DRK + 50% of the fees...
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Adding Complete Anonymity to DarkSend



As most of you are aware, we're currently building the decentralized foundation that that the future DarkSend implementation will sit on. DarkSend provides some basic anonymity currently, but this implementation shown above can be very robust, providing no way to determine the source or destination of money traveling through Darkcoin.

It'll use 2 separate stages in the pooling system, one to gather enough inputs to add a level of anonymity and one to merge them back together.

So the pay-ins and pay-outs end up being the same?  That seems traceable?  I'm sure I'm not understanding something... help please?

As I understand it, and I may be totally incorrect, when this system in place, you won't know which addresses are payins and which addresses are payouts.  So, the 5.45 DRK transfer and 5.45 DRK recievee addresses will be indistinguishable from the 5 DRK, 0.25 DRK or whatever denomination addresses in the pools.  Someone correct me quickly if I'm wrong, or explain this better.
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I like seeing so many dedicated persons in this coin!  Dark oin will be in number 10 really soon!
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Adding Complete Anonymity to DarkSend



As most of you are aware, we're currently building the decentralized foundation that that the future DarkSend implementation will sit on. DarkSend provides some basic anonymity currently, but this implementation shown above can be very robust, providing no way to determine the source or destination of money traveling through Darkcoin.

It'll use 2 separate stages in the pooling system, one to gather enough inputs to add a level of anonymity and one to merge them back together.

So the pay-ins and pay-outs end up being the same?  That seems traceable?  I'm sure I'm not understanding something... help please?
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Hey People !

Just start mining this coin and it's AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can people still be mining other altcoins Huh??

I'm consuming 1180W instead of 2420W, all my rigs are cold, and my Hashpower is about 3 times what I get with Scrypt mining.

Other Altcoins are like Dinosaures compared to Darkcoin !

I hope it's only the beginning of the Crypto-Dream.

Keep on working guys and thanks for this marvelous invention.




Quiet you... its summer here and my rigs love it compared to scrypt 3MH running at 2.4-2.8 during the day... 10MH on DRK
It's goin to be a cold winter for me. Good for electricity bill though.  Smiley
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Also, we need lots more votes on getting Bittrex support.  We're neck and neck with Ultracoin and Coin2, two bs coins:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497351.20
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Someone should really produce a just-dice clone for darkdice.
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Was this what Stablecoin tried to do, but failed?

Will DRK make zerocoin obsolete?
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Adding Complete Anonymity to DarkSend



As most of you are aware, we're currently building the decentralized foundation that that the future DarkSend implementation will sit on. DarkSend provides some basic anonymity currently, but this implementation shown above can be very robust, providing no way to determine the source or destination of money traveling through Darkcoin.

It'll use 2 separate stages in the pooling system, one to gather enough inputs to add a level of anonymity and one to merge them back together.

Hopefully you keep this project closed source as long as possible. As soon as you open source it, the value of Darkcoin will drop. Unless it's like NXT and so complicated all the shitcoin cloners can't easily replicate it.
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