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So what's the rationale for this block reward system? (11111 / (((Difficulty+51)/6) ^ 2))

As I understand it, the TOTAL distribution per unit time will come crashing down as network hashrate goes up. Not to mention each miner is getting a tinier slice. That's rather discouraging.

Apart from Darksend, I think this is the best feature of the coin. All other altcoins become diluted if they doesn't become a instant success like Dogecoin.

So the early adopter edge becomes even more overwhelming? Nice way to kill a coin. An exchange medium is only worth something if others agree and also have a stake. We'll just end up a small group of hoarders waiting around for something to happen. Reminds me of QRK.

That is overstating things. Reading through the thread, it is abundantly clear that the devs and other early adopters believe in the coin and are not planning a massive dump.  

IMO this is a feature -- not a problem or a scam.  Basically, it allows for the devs to have a more fine control over how the coin is released into the market; and thus prevents a “mid-life” dump via multipools and whale miners that troubles many a coin once the price starts to rise.  As mentioned above, if a coin is super-popular from the beginning like Doge then there is no problem as it gets distributed to a wide range of miners.  Even if whales or whatnot show up later there is a big enough dedicated mining community that in effect prevents these entities from negatively effecting the market.  

On the other hand, coins that don't blow up from the beginning and slowly rise in price due to the efforts of the early adopters, inevitably get attacked by these whales/mutlipools -- and the diff increase alone never seems to be enough to prevent a ton of coins of entering the hands of the few.  When these coins get dumped... the market crashes.  The way Darkcoin is currently set up this cannot happen.  And yes, even though Darkcoin is multipool resistant – it is still vulnerable to whales (it was actually getting hammered before the diff /reward system was enhanced by KGW).

Now, I know it may seem unfair to latecomer miners and some trolls even went as far as trying to discourage people by calling this a instamine. But the thing is... the vast majority of coins have a high percentage owned by early adopters.  That is the reward they get for believing in the coin before anybody else.  Due to the diff/reward system Darkcoin might be a little more extreme, but as I just explained that system has a very important purpose.

Lastly, it is not like the devs are not willing to respond.  Take a look at the diff/reward chart below.  

The blue line is actually a hardfork that was put in place a couple of weeks ago to be ready for GPU miners (GPU client first released last week) so that reward wouldn't drop to zero once the hash power went through the roof.  

Tldr; This is a fair coin. The diff/reward is a feature that allows more fine control over how much coin is released into the market and thus prevents manipulation by whales who plan to dump.




lol, how is this effectively different than a premine?

You didn't read a word, did you?
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https://poloniex.com is still frozen, so nervous.

This is annoying. Wanted to trade some DRK today. Some other pairs are also frozen, but some are trading.
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So what's the rationale for this block reward system? (11111 / (((Difficulty+51)/6) ^ 2))

As I understand it, the TOTAL distribution per unit time will come crashing down as network hashrate goes up. Not to mention each miner is getting a tinier slice. That's rather discouraging.

Apart from Darksend, I think this is the best feature of the coin. All other altcoins become diluted if they doesn't become a instant success like Dogecoin.

So the early adopter edge becomes even more overwhelming? Nice way to kill a coin. An exchange medium is only worth something if others agree and also have a stake. We'll just end up a small group of hoarders waiting around for something to happen. Reminds me of QRK.

That is overstating things. Reading through the thread, it is abundantly clear that the devs and other early adopters believe in the coin and are not planning a massive dump.  

IMO this is a feature -- not a problem or a scam.  Basically, it allows for the devs to have a more fine control over how the coin is released into the market; and thus prevents a “mid-life” dump via multipools and whale miners that troubles many a coin once the price starts to rise.  As mentioned above, if a coin is super-popular from the beginning like Doge then there is no problem as it gets distributed to a wide range of miners.  Even if whales or whatnot show up later there is a big enough dedicated mining community that in effect prevents these entities from negatively effecting the market.  

On the other hand, coins that don't blow up from the beginning and slowly rise in price due to the efforts of the early adopters, inevitably get attacked by these whales/mutlipools -- and the diff increase alone never seems to be enough to prevent a ton of coins of entering the hands of the few.  When these coins get dumped... the market crashes.  The way Darkcoin is currently set up this cannot happen.  And yes, even though Darkcoin is multipool resistant – it is still vulnerable to whales (it was actually getting hammered before the diff /reward system was enhanced by KGW).

Now, I know it may seem unfair to latecomer miners and some trolls even went as far as trying to discourage people by calling this a instamine. But the thing is... the vast majority of coins have a high percentage owned by early adopters.  That is the reward they get for believing in the coin before anybody else.  Due to the diff/reward system Darkcoin might be a little more extreme, but as I just explained that system has a very important purpose.

Lastly, it is not like the devs are not willing to respond.  Take a look at the diff/reward chart below.  

The blue line is actually a hardfork that was put in place a couple of weeks ago to be ready for GPU miners (GPU client first released last week) so that reward wouldn't drop to zero once the hash power went through the roof.  

Tldr; This is a fair coin. The diff/reward is a feature that allows more fine control over how much coin is released into the market and thus prevents manipulation by whales who plan to dump.




lol, how is this effectively different than a premine?
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Pre-sale - March 18
what's the config like for reducing power to the card?
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Price will up 8x Cheesy


We were mentioned in ibtimes:

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Darkcoin saw the largest one-day growth, up 111% to $1.17 per coin, while the heaviest loss was felt by smartcoin, which fell 30.5% to $0.046.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cryptocurrency-news-round-mt-gox-reopen-withdrawals-protests-continue-1436868


8X means ?

https://poloniex.com is still frozen, so nervous.

Why nervous? Just one exchange and a bunch of their markets are frozen. Likely nothing to do with DRK.


It is nothing to do with DRK.  A few days ago a hacker used a weakness in the security protocol of XCP to transfer 35K of XCP from the Poloneix central wallet and dump cheap for BTC.

I should have put it all in DRK.  From now on it is only dark and I have changed my signature to reflect this.
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I am sure this has been already implemented into a coin somewhere but why not have a coin with very high transaction fees implemented in the early stages that gradually become normative say in a year or two.  It might prevent or slow down trading whales and multipools from killing the coin early on.  If it is even a few percent less profitable early on to mine then dump maybe this will afford enough protection.

Call it a transaction degravity well or whatever.
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Thank you for the illustration Smiley
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Is there some sort of calculator to estimate how many coins I can mine in a day or a week?

Here I made this for you quickly for an educated guess. (y/z)(2222222/(((x+2600)/9)^2)) You can enter the formula at wolframalpha.com and change the numbers

X = the current difficulty

Y = Your hashrate

Z = Total network hashrate

Example given in khash/sec below (you can use ghash/sec as long as you keep Y and Z in the same measure)


(50000/6210000)(2222222/(((224+2600)/9)^2)) = 0.1817 approx

In this example, the current network hashrate is 6.21 Ghash (right now that's what it's at) , you are hashing at 50 mhash (or 0.05 ghash to keep the same measure) and the network difficulty is 224. That gives you 0.1817 DRK per block. There's 24 blocks per hour which gives 4.3608 DRK/hour or 104.6592 DRK/day

Hope that helped and hope I'm right also.


edit : also I'm no expert with pools, so I'm not sure if being in a larger or smaller pool affects this calculation.

edit 2 : just checked in the official pool and my calculation seem to be right on the money ( the 50k being khash and the 100 something being drk/day)
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Price will up 8x Cheesy


We were mentioned in ibtimes:

Quote
Darkcoin saw the largest one-day growth, up 111% to $1.17 per coin, while the heaviest loss was felt by smartcoin, which fell 30.5% to $0.046.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cryptocurrency-news-round-mt-gox-reopen-withdrawals-protests-continue-1436868


8X means ?

https://poloniex.com is still frozen, so nervous.

Why nervous? Just one exchange and a bunch of their markets are frozen. Likely nothing to do with DRK.
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Is there some sort of calculator to estimate how many coins I can mine in a day or a week?
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Price will up 8x Cheesy


We were mentioned in ibtimes:

Quote
Darkcoin saw the largest one-day growth, up 111% to $1.17 per coin, while the heaviest loss was felt by smartcoin, which fell 30.5% to $0.046.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cryptocurrency-news-round-mt-gox-reopen-withdrawals-protests-continue-1436868


8X means ?

https://poloniex.com is still frozen, so nervous.
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Price will up 8x Cheesy


We were mentioned in ibtimes:

Quote
Darkcoin saw the largest one-day growth, up 111% to $1.17 per coin, while the heaviest loss was felt by smartcoin, which fell 30.5% to $0.046.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cryptocurrency-news-round-mt-gox-reopen-withdrawals-protests-continue-1436868
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We were mentioned in ibtimes:

Quote
Darkcoin saw the largest one-day growth, up 111% to $1.17 per coin, while the heaviest loss was felt by smartcoin, which fell 30.5% to $0.046.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cryptocurrency-news-round-mt-gox-reopen-withdrawals-protests-continue-1436868
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My Darkcoin wallet just disappeared from my PC.

Does anybody know why that happened? When I go into start, run, and type %Appdata%, I can see that the Darkcoin folder and its contents are still on my computer. Which is a relief.

The problem is that since switching off the PC and booting up again, the Darkcoin wallet itself is no longer there. Which files in the Darkcoin folder are relevant to opening up the wallet again, and how do I do it?

Just download the Darkcoin wallet again.  Your coins are stored in the .dat file, so as long as this is still on your PC, none of the other files matter.  The new wallet should sync and show your previous balance.
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Hi Guys,

Just wanted to drop by and let you guys know that we are considering adding DarkCoin to our exchange to be traded at launch, which will probably be the biggest launch for any altcoin exchange yet. Since our announcement 4 days ago we have already had few hundred followers and twelve altcoins added. Follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/LazyCoins and vote.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-lazycoins-crypto-currency-exchange-beta-launched-21st-july-2014-471779



Sounds good, as long as you don't go down the path of other exchanges and make people pay/vote for it. Would probably be smart to add DRK based on its merits alone.
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Hello,

I've got a question for buying BTC.
As I think it's low, I was thinking in buying BTC with $.

But what I saw in coinbase : Bank Accounts Used to buy and sell bitcoins — U.S. only
Can't use visa credit card there?

I already try the VirWox.. They closed/banned my account directly because I was suspicious lol.. They never told me why, the country?

What?Huh For information I'm French living in Mexico.

How can I do to buy BTC with fiat? I never did it, always haing BTC by mining other coin....

If you do have credit card, i can refer a good merchant.

Who else takes CC?

Sorry . . They stopped accepting .

I saw ads from these guys, claiming they sell crypto for paypal / cc.
never tried them. if you do try them and it works fine, drop some feedback.
http://www.burnerbrothers.com/buydogecoin/

if you buy 5000 Doge for 100$ from them, and sell them you get: 0.01080000 BTC

if you but fro 100$ bitcoins you get: 0.17168182 BTC

so you will get $6.25 worth of coins out of $100, i hope no one is using them

Such exploitation! Tongue

WOW!
I didn't go as far as checking their rates.
this is pure robbery.
ppl have no shame  Sad

Surely though, if it's CC/PP they're dealing in people will just reverse charges? And rightfully so, it's intentionally misleading exploiting the tiny value of doge some people won't think to check the actual rates and will assume that's "about right" you know.

Back on topic, it seems you can withdraw altcoins from Poloniex atm just not BTC.
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well seems like i have to chime in here, as an early adopter, believing in this coin, i have earned a nice load of coin, but i have also given away aproximatly 40% of it, either as part of lotterymining.com, as competition for designing a logo for my pool, and also the faucet, so to say that the early adopters are just going to dump the horded load, is bullshit, some will, thats human nature, but some do believe in it, and have worked hard to help everyone else that came and wanted to mine, i look at what i have left as "payment for the unaccounted hours" ive used to help others. so please refrain from putting everyone into the same box!



Apologies if you took offense at that but you can only speak for yourself not the other early adopters.

You describe the early adopters as "hoarders" but think about why many of us got into Darkcoin - we like the coin, and want to actually use it as currency for things. Right now, there are very few "things" we can get with darkcoin. I'm not a huge fan of speculating personally, because I don't like to see the commoditization of ... well anything, really. I'm holding on to many of the coins that I have so that I can actually USE them when more vendors, sites, etc. start accepting it.

Speaking of that, I'm going to >try< to set up a us-based p2p node that is funded entirely by crypto. With the exception of electricity, I think I can pull it off. I have a domain that I got with namecoin (pickaxe.bit), a server that I bought with BTC, etc. I'd definitely appreciate any help with getting the pool set up. I'll be messing with that this weekend...
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So what's the rationale for this block reward system? (11111 / (((Difficulty+51)/6) ^ 2))

As I understand it, the TOTAL distribution per unit time will come crashing down as network hashrate goes up. Not to mention each miner is getting a tinier slice. That's rather discouraging.

Apart from Darksend, I think this is the best feature of the coin. All other altcoins become diluted if they doesn't become a instant success like Dogecoin.

So the early adopter edge becomes even more overwhelming? Nice way to kill a coin. An exchange medium is only worth something if others agree and also have a stake. We'll just end up a small group of hoarders waiting around for something to happen. Reminds me of QRK.

That is overstating things. Reading through the thread, it is abundantly clear that the devs and other early adopters believe in the coin and are not planning a massive dump. 

IMO this is a feature -- not a problem or a scam.  Basically, it allows for the devs to have a more fine control over how the coin is released into the market; and thus prevents a “mid-life” dump via multipools and whale miners that troubles many a coin once the price starts to rise.  As mentioned above, if a coin is super-popular from the beginning like Doge then there is no problem as it gets distributed to a wide range of miners.  Even if whales or whatnot show up later there is a big enough dedicated mining community that in effect prevents these entities from negatively effecting the market. 

On the other hand, coins that don't blow up from the beginning and slowly rise in price due to the efforts of the early adopters, inevitably get attacked by these whales/mutlipools -- and the diff increase alone never seems to be enough to prevent a ton of coins of entering the hands of the few.  When these coins get dumped... the market crashes.  The way Darkcoin is currently set up this cannot happen.  And yes, even though Darkcoin is multipool resistant – it is still vulnerable to whales (it was actually getting hammered before the diff /reward system was enhanced by KGW).

Now, I know it may seem unfair to latecomer miners and some trolls even went as far as trying to discourage people by calling this a instamine. But the thing is... the vast majority of coins have a high percentage owned by early adopters.  That is the reward they get for believing in the coin before anybody else.  Due to the diff/reward system Darkcoin might be a little more extreme, but as I just explained that system has a very important purpose.

This is a fair coin. The diff/reward is a feature that allows more fine control over how much coin is released into the market and thus prevents manipulation by dumpers.




Not really mate. If a large percent of coins is being held by a select few then this coin is in jeopardy sorry to say. We can wax poetic all we want about how people believe in this coin but that is just not true. A quick look at the charts wil tell you how trigger happy the so called early adopters are in dumping this coin. Greed rules this free market and lets not bury our heads in the sand here.

The early adopters can and are currently molesting the price to a stand still unfortunately and that is turning away investors and miners. As long as we are still on small exchanges, this will continue and when we eventually hit big exchanges, I expect there to be a huge dump because people are greedy and that is the honest truth.

well seems like i have to chime in here, as an early adopter, believing in this coin, i have earned a nice load of coin, but i have also given away aproximatly 40% of it, either as part of lotterymining.com, as competition for designing a logo for my pool, and also the faucet, so to say that the early adopters are just going to dump the horded load, is bullshit, some will, thats human nature, but some do believe in it, and have worked hard to help everyone else that came and wanted to mine, i look at what i have left as "payment for the unaccounted hours" ive used to help others. so please refrain from putting everyone into the same box!

Those lottery mining logos, they set you back 2000$+ as of today! Could have had some amazing logo work done for that price  Tongue

yep, but for me it wasnt about the money, but the value of publicity for my pool :-)
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So what's the rationale for this block reward system? (11111 / (((Difficulty+51)/6) ^ 2))

As I understand it, the TOTAL distribution per unit time will come crashing down as network hashrate goes up. Not to mention each miner is getting a tinier slice. That's rather discouraging.

Apart from Darksend, I think this is the best feature of the coin. All other altcoins become diluted if they doesn't become a instant success like Dogecoin.

So the early adopter edge becomes even more overwhelming? Nice way to kill a coin. An exchange medium is only worth something if others agree and also have a stake. We'll just end up a small group of hoarders waiting around for something to happen. Reminds me of QRK.

That is overstating things. Reading through the thread, it is abundantly clear that the devs and other early adopters believe in the coin and are not planning a massive dump. 

IMO this is a feature -- not a problem or a scam.  Basically, it allows for the devs to have a more fine control over how the coin is released into the market; and thus prevents a “mid-life” dump via multipools and whale miners that troubles many a coin once the price starts to rise.  As mentioned above, if a coin is super-popular from the beginning like Doge then there is no problem as it gets distributed to a wide range of miners.  Even if whales or whatnot show up later there is a big enough dedicated mining community that in effect prevents these entities from negatively effecting the market. 

On the other hand, coins that don't blow up from the beginning and slowly rise in price due to the efforts of the early adopters, inevitably get attacked by these whales/mutlipools -- and the diff increase alone never seems to be enough to prevent a ton of coins of entering the hands of the few.  When these coins get dumped... the market crashes.  The way Darkcoin is currently set up this cannot happen.  And yes, even though Darkcoin is multipool resistant – it is still vulnerable to whales (it was actually getting hammered before the diff /reward system was enhanced by KGW).

Now, I know it may seem unfair to latecomer miners and some trolls even went as far as trying to discourage people by calling this a instamine. But the thing is... the vast majority of coins have a high percentage owned by early adopters.  That is the reward they get for believing in the coin before anybody else.  Due to the diff/reward system Darkcoin might be a little more extreme, but as I just explained that system has a very important purpose.

This is a fair coin. The diff/reward is a feature that allows more fine control over how much coin is released into the market and thus prevents manipulation by dumpers.




Not really mate. If a large percent of coins is being held by a select few then this coin is in jeopardy sorry to say. We can wax poetic all we want about how people believe in this coin but that is just not true. A quick look at the charts wil tell you how trigger happy the so called early adopters are in dumping this coin. Greed rules this free market and lets not bury our heads in the sand here.

The early adopters can and are currently molesting the price to a stand still unfortunately and that is turning away investors and miners. As long as we are still on small exchanges, this will continue and when we eventually hit big exchanges, I expect there to be a huge dump because people are greedy and that is the honest truth.

well seems like i have to chime in here, as an early adopter, believing in this coin, i have earned a nice load of coin, but i have also given away aproximatly 40% of it, either as part of lotterymining.com, as competition for designing a logo for my pool, and also the faucet, so to say that the early adopters are just going to dump the horded load, is bullshit, some will, thats human nature, but some do believe in it, and have worked hard to help everyone else that came and wanted to mine, i look at what i have left as "payment for the unaccounted hours" ive used to help others. so please refrain from putting everyone into the same box!

Those lottery mining logos, they set you back 2000$+ as of today! Could have had some amazing logo work done for that price  Tongue
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My Darkcoin wallet just disappeared from my PC.

Does anybody know why that happened? When I go into start, run, and type %Appdata%, I can see that the Darkcoin folder and its contents are still on my computer. Which is a relief.

The problem is that since switching off the PC and booting up again, the Darkcoin wallet itself is no longer there. Which files in the Darkcoin folder are relevant to opening up the wallet again, and how do I do it?
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