Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 73. (Read 9723748 times)

Yep, fully agree. The term 'ROI' has been wrongly attributed to the Masternode service reward annual return for years.

The term 'ROI' simply does not apply for 'savings', it's called interest. Nobody says they have a 1% ROI on their savings account. Staking is most similar to a 'savings' account. The MN service reward is comparable to staking.

It's not malicious though, it's a knowledge/understanding issue.

I do not agree. Give me a programmer to fork and I'll show you easy! (Unfortunately, many of the current ones are possibly taking advantage of this "PERPETUAL DRAIN LOOP"/PONZI)  
  That is why it cannot be changed from within: The legion of parasites comfortably installed is huge.

By the way, and I will not tire of repeating it: Gentlemen programmers! With a proper fork, we send these corrupts straight to the shit and get DASH back for their REAL community (and not only fix the new chain, but force them to fix this, the original).

And ... LOL   ... do not use the cheap , childish and ridiculous resource of asking if coinmarkecap promotes the scam and avoid YOUR responsibility ... the scammers are you and your corrupt use of this project. DASH was not created as a Ponzi: those of you who came later did that.  

Without decentralizing it and sending you to fucking hell kicking your fucking ass, it's worth NOTHING.
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dash will never recover and he knows it, dash is almost like a stable coin right now, from $90 to $110 again and again until the end of time lol Smiley) dash will never go up 200 even if btc will be 30k or 40k dash will still be at 110 lol. and that's a ponzi scheme for sure!  they don't want dash to go up, they don't! they like dash here at 100, you better rename it to dash usd or something you scammers!

And ... LOL  Grin Grin Grin ... do not use the cheap , childish and ridiculous resource of asking if coinmarkecap promotes the scam and avoid YOUR responsibility ... the scammers are you and your use of this project. DASH was not created as a Ponzi: That was done by those who took it afterwards.  Without decentralizing it and sending you to fucking hell, it's worth NOTHING.


dash will never recover and he knows it, dash is almost like a stable coin right now, from $90 to $110 again and again until the end of time lol ) dash will never go up 200 even if btc will be 30k or 40k dash will still be at 110 lol. and that's a ponzi scheme for sure!  they don't want dash to go up, they don't! they like dash here at 100, you better rename it to dash usd or something you scammers!

I had not seen the new misleading graphic that you are trying to promote ... so I also answer you (it's easy, because all your garbage has a trick):

That 9000% DOES NOT SERVE as a reference for new investors, since it was reached long before ATH 2017 ... and it is the enormous margin that early adopters take advantage of to support the hodl of thousands of coins PURCHASED FROM THAT ATL of 0.2 $. In those terms, of up to a x500 times profit assured today, you can allow yourself to drag the price for the shit and loot all the wealth of DASH as soon as it rises a few dollars, to sink it again and repeat the process. That way you prevent it from growing and steal all the money from those who arrive because you have turned DASH into a ponzi.

Because what happens is that the newcomers to whom you pass through the noses wonderful prices of 4 figures will never reach them, precisely because of your periodic and constant withdrawals ... aspect of which they will realize when they are already inside and see how this works shit ... while the rest of the projects grow and they lose the opportunity to get rich in crypto.

And ... LOL   ... do not use the cheap , childish and ridiculous resource of asking if coinmarkecap promotes the scam and avoid YOUR responsibility ... the scammers are you and your corrupt use of this project. DASH was not created as a Ponzi: those of you who came later did that.  

Without decentralizing it and sending you to fucking hell kicking your fucking ass, it's worth NOTHING.

You are the real troll and the scammer, that's why you try to disavow those who expose your tricks. You and anyone who hides the traps you have prepared for those who entrust their capital to this project.

Read the proposal of a few posts above of GrandMasterDASH (by the way, a classic member who transmits a thousand times more passion and respect for DASH and crypto ethics than any of your organized gang of corrupt) ... he does face your scam, he knows that you owe to the tens of thousands of scammed that you have deceived, marginalized and robbed and tries to face in some way responsibility that corresponds to him. He also warns you that the great possessors marginalize everyone, even the Mnodes.

But no ... scammers like you, will contribute bullish charts for going up ten fucking dollars, or false ROIs (as Mason himself already used listings of thousands of FALSE merchants - for whose display the DAO paid him - to deceive about the adoption of DASH, because your shenanigans have no limits and everything serves to deceive ) to continue sucking the money that any naive victim of your misinformation contributes and to be releasing your coins ... and so the problem has others. When once inside they realize where they have gotten ... their problem!

Some create deception and others accept it and take advantage of it and instead of optimizing DASH, you neither baceis nor allow it to do so, you only seek to hide everything bad, although others continue to be harmed or worse, precisely for that. The least that can be done is that your deception is not so easy for you and that you do not go through life so calm, screwing people.



p.d. And by the way ... do not refer to the original concentration of tokens / votes / rewards of Duffield - and by extension, surely of DCG - as "irrelevant past" and a problem solved: He himself admitted to having hundreds of Mnodes ... and by true, he said that he was going to "give them to the DAO" ... which, of course, he did not do because with it he can centralize, manipulate and take advantage of the ENTIRE project. At least he saw the problem and tried to solve it with the Shared Mnodes so as not to lose the fundamental spirit of decentralization in the project that he himself founded and loved ... but the corrupt ones who have arrived later have turned a "possible error" into an abusive imbalance, because taking advantage of that trap is enough for them and they don't give a shit about DASH. YOU, not those you call trolls to confuse future victims to loot and continue your scam.

GrandMasterDASH warns you: They will end up fucking you too (although you, those who continue this farce, have deservedly won it)

Why even worry about that label ? People are abusing that label left and right on this forum when they are upset about something or disagree with someone, even you have been doing that.
Only trolls still use that label on Dash itself, and a whole lot less then in the past, so far i can tell.

ROI is becoming a bit of a trigger word for you it seems, eventhough it has been used in cryptospace for many many many years now. With different definitions.
Here is a ROI definition that coinmarketcap has been using for cryptocurrencies (not just Dash) from the start : https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/



Does this mean coinmarketcap is scamming anyone with how they use the ROI term in cryptospace ? Of course not.

ROI usage i found so far :

* Calculate the price performance of cryptocurrencies over a certain time period or earliest known price (crypto defintion)
* Calculate the return on masternodes collateral / shared masternodes collateral / staking projects / DeFi projects (crypto definition)
* Calculate the return of gain from investment divided by cost of investment in FIAT (traditional definition)

I am pretty sure investors understand there is more then one definition of ROI circulating in cryptospace. Only you seems to be surprised by it and are now (after all this time) trying to make a big deal about it.
That is what i call being late to the party, particularly with you being a masternode operator for all these years. Surely you have come across the different ROI definitions before ?  

More Mnodes with a minimum of rigor that are realizing the manipulation of a system that not only cancels the necessary network effect in crypto but also tends to hyperconcentration and that, they too, are becoming decorative objects ( I disagree with his approach, but his claim is most symptomatic):

https://app.dashnexus.org/proposals/one-dollar-one-vote-governance/overview



"Dear MNOs,



Your input to this proposal, which from now on will be referred to as ODOV, is important. As a concept, it is open to modification before going to a formal proposal. This is an opportunity for you to let DCG know how you feel about the current state of dash governance. I feel this may also be our last chance to properly decentralize and democratize dash governance as it increasingly seems impossible to vote against DCG. What kind of governance is there if DCG has no viable opposition?



The outcome of this proposal is quite bold; to direct DCG to build ODOV. In the unlikely event they refuse, a further proposal would be put forward to remove obstructive parties from the DCG team.



Current Governance Trajectory



I believe one of our biggest stumbling blocks is the perception that dash is elitist. The 1000 dash collateral is out of the reach of most people. In the eyes of an outsider, it is a form of centralization. I do not say it is true at this moment, only perception. However, I have seen the future of dash governance and it looks very much like this:



https://www.coindesk.com/wallets-with-over-1000-bitcoin-have-hit-record-number-chainalysis



This could easily become a world where large corporations like Coinbase and Paypal operate a majority of masternodes. Binance currently uses customer deposits to control 120+ masternodes. If this happens, dash becomes yet another bankers coin.



Incentivized Community Engagement



As noted by Ryan Taylor and others, voter participation is often very low. There are a few things we could do about this, such as voter registration, but it wouldn’t address concerns of centralization.



As it happens, Dash Platform and usernames offers us a solution. My one big assumption is that the financial model for dash usernames will produce a well distributed foundation to build from. If not, then we have bigger problems.



ODOV will allow all end users to upvote or downvote MNOs. By doing so, the voting power of said MNOs will be amplified or reduced accordingly. The exact level of amplification / reduction is yet to be decided but for now I am proposing by a factor of five. If you like, this equates to five star reviews on Amazon.



The criteria for voting would be, a) a valid username, and b) a minimum balance of one US dollar held in the most recent voting cycle.



ODOV seeks to make MNOs publicly accountable to end users. By doing so, an elitist perception will be dampened.



This also opens up a future possibility of MNOs leveraging Dash Platform to hold community votes or proxy votes on specific proposals.



Your feedback is welcomed."

Exactly, TokNormal. Although some members already show their disagreement from within, the Mnodes network suffers, in general, a resignation due to sheer exhaustion or a Stockholm Syndrome. Seriously destructive in both cases.

This Mason, with Valenzuela, are the individuals who, with DASH at 40 and a few dollars, encouraged, "the community", WITH VAULTORO ADVERTISING CLOTHES       ... to "take advantage of" the "wealth stabilization resources" that the ecosystem DASH provides its users (obviously, selling their DASH under those dire circumstances and buying Gold ... what is a COMPREHENSIVE wealth drain, and literally like hammering someone in the head who is drowning in the sea ). This type of approach can only be sustained by true economic illiterates unable to differentiate between bacon and speed. And it is absolutely incomprehensible that the organization they supposedly represent stand up to the same level of mental destitution for years.

The point is that the community of Mnodes does not punch the table and has delegated, due to depression, resignation, or an exhaustion of years for a dynamic lacking any common sense, no longer a leadership that these people are incapable of assuming, but "the official image" of DASH, accepting that a project endowed with robust and solid monetary perspectives years ago, that is, with a SERIOUS MONETARY vocation in the middle of the obscene "ICO party" of 2017, becomes a party high school (actually, the most useless high school students). If you are able to put aside the stridencies of my line of opinion, I honestly invite you to watch Valenzuela's interview with Mason from a couple of days ago: With the rigors you have in certain aspects, I assure you that your hair will turn on edge (I was able, with enormous effort, to endure 20 minutes of such a succession of nonsense). The absence of the least rigor or criterion is simply chilling. And perhaps even worse, the conviction of these elements, to be helping, leading the way, illuminating ... when they are precisely authentic time bombs, a couple of "useful fools" necessary to camouflage the nonsense of DCG who have believed that the consequent proximity of such close treatment for their information corruption makes them referents "of something". And they are only like two drunks convinced they can win the Indianapolis 500.

Obviously, the invitations to that crazy line of organization and communication that this subject uses and claims, is accepted, as you can see HERE in the last pages of ridiculous, deliberately confusing and biased promotional posts ... as well as to expand that fallacious expansion line ( kick the can and go forward ) . Personally, I don't even believe I know the general attitude of the Mnodes, rather the noise of shameless elements who don't give a shit that DASH looks like tacky and obscene garbage ... a fifth division product (and I'm not talking about the the product itself, but the shameful image of overflowing amateurism it projects).

DASH still has too many strong arguments to project itself well to the sector and investors who approach it. Although many do not understand it (they simply do not have the least capacity to savor this gem) ... it should be much more than a meme.

How can we complain about the "scammer" label when we engage in this kind of abuse of terminology ?

The 6% is a return, but not on your investment.

Merry Christmas to you too coingun.

To all :




Source : https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/khb6si/while_everyone_is_fomoing_about_bitcoin_price_the/

Yep.

Hello World!

Merry Christmas Dash Nation...

Great, thank you. Added to my bookmarks.

Some nice action on the Dash/BTC pair today.

Pump it!
https://twitter.com/fruitsaladpanda/status/1340861072471814146?s=20

A couple of points on which some opinions coincide and that I personally understand can be qualified.

Regarding the "leakage of resources" that some opinions perceive as negative in Venezuela: Of 5326 tokens of the last monthly budget, only 3 proposals approved for the "waste" of Venezuela, 2 of them promoted by Yoana Castillo, the dynamic woman of Mall and Parking that fights with its entire team every shitty coin before the miserable Mnodes (reading a conversation in DASH Nexus denying this woman bread and salt literally produces human shame ... when she spent half a dozen salary workers kicking the street for around $ 1,500 ... TOTALLY !!! ...as DAO scammers questioned them, scratching their balls from their houses). Anyway ... the total cost of all the proposals amounts to the "catastrophic" figure of 158 DASH.

Yes, 158 tokens of a total of 5326 !!! Honestly, perhaps previous initiatives focused on Venezuela have been excessive or poorly planned ... but today, there is not the least problem, imo.



Another point is the repeated request for improved and increased marketing for DASH ... something that has been repeated since I entered the project four years ago.

I suppose it will be in reference to increasing the promotion ... of lies and deception. Or that promotion will have an honest and transparent informative background ? Because in those terms, the crypto community, which DOES know DASH, does not want a single token of this centralized and extractive structure, they know that they want to put it in DASH, will fly for the "slaughtered" Mnodes. Will the conditions for investors of less than 1000 tokens appear in these promotions? That those tokens will only be worth "to be spent" and that the parasitic ponzi has been charging, even with the price of the coin ruined?

What DASH has to do is have a worthy project, in accordance with its initial approaches prior to being distorted to optimize the private theft of 200 people around the world ... and that benefits those who choose to promote it so that everyone is involved and Also, have a transparent and honest speech that you can be proud of and involve more people, even through word of mouth that occurs spontaneously when you have something positive to share, without the need for extra marketing - which, of course, in general, it's never bad - instead of having a centralized scam whose tracks must be erased with tricks, half-truths and outright lies in every communication they make and which, logically, lead the project directly to hell. Vecause, let's not kid ourselves, many people already know DASH and what they know is that they do not want to touch that garbage with the end of a stick.

The truth is that a jewel like DASH would deserve that approach ... another thing is that a band of mediocre people do not even know how to make money with those enormous qualities and even worse, not even manipulating it to their measure and turning it into shit. That is the problem.

LOL  

Now the parasites that stole the common Treasury, denied rewards and even their elementary voting rights to holders with less than 1000 tokens (which does not happen even in a banana dictatorship) and told them that their DASH was only worth "to be spent". ... while they extracted all the wealth of the chain with their Mnodes ... THEY SEND THE SCAMMED PEOPLE TO WORK AND EXPAND THEIR SCAM !!!  



Average responses to tweets from Rtaylor, Manson, Valenzuela ... between ZERO and TWO.       Between zero and two answers is the interest achieved by the brightest minds in DASH, in their work of "educating" the world (you need to be narcissistic and pedantic, god!) with a project that this band received in the top 3 of the world crypto ranking, with 13 billion dollars. ...    Well...seldom is karma so fair !

Come on! ... now to invent multinicks and recreate with cheats 1% of what any normal and decentralized community gets for free (without 200 scammers in the high positions of the ponzi robbing everyone else, of course ...).

FYI Qwizzie, another source for Dash ROI (or whatever you or Tok call it):
https://dashfrance.com/API-test/
Taking into account the current progressive reallocation.

The road to 100,000 - Social media call for action

Everyone involved in Dash needs to step up and do their part in promoting Dash on all available platforms. Promote Dash on social media (Twitter, Youtube, Reddit, Facebook ...).

Use your existing accounts or make new ones to talk about or promote Dash. Get active. Add comments about Dash to popular crypto videos, but also on Dash's official videos. Get the number of views and comments up. Add comments about Dash on tweets. Make memes. Whatever. Make noise.

Hundreds, thousands of Dash holders spreading the message is far more powerful than what any single 'marketing' person can ever achieve.

Pump the numbers on our social media accounts:

• Subscribe to all Dash Youtube channels.
• View and Like all the DashPay Youtube videos and comment on them.
• Follow DashPay on Twitter and like all the tweets and comment on them.
• Upvote Reddit r/dashpay posts and comment on them.
• Follow Facebook DashPay and like posts.

   
Spread the word on non Dash channels on Twitter, Reddit, Youtube ...:

• Insert comments on crypto Youtube videos that talk about Dash.
• Insert comments on generic cryptocurrency videos e.g. asking about which coin you like et cetera, ...
• Like Dash comments on Youtube videos so they rise to the top.
• Dislike negative and false comments on Youtube videos so they drop to the bottom.
• Counter any misinformation about Dash that is spread in the comments.
• Make posts about Dash on r/cryptocurrency, r/btc, r/cryptomarkets ...
• Mention Dash in various tweets
• Consider signing up to a news site when a Dash article is released and comment below the article.

Et cetera.

Be careful to take into account any applicable TOS. Don't spam. Don't get banned. Especially important for new accounts.

Remarks:

• r/dashpay : account requires 10 karma points and must be 7 days old before your posts are allowed/visible.
• Youtube requires you to provide your phone number.

You assume too many things. BTC can be faced and even surpassed.

On the other hand, in a more mature sector, one should not look for gimmicky pyrotechnics and higher highs, but rather store of value and higher lows. imo. That is the key to attracting large amounts of capital.

The topical aspirations of "rich" instead of minnows of @xkcd for example, are a boutade as long as you cannot retain the wealth they bring with them (except for those who seek the easy "extraction" of that capital , of course ). The prosperous aspiration in crypto is in very long-term investors.

Although of course, with debates of Santa Claus and cartoons, anyone starts to argue that ...