I would like to remind everyone that IceBreaker is probably the most dedicated and clueless troll who strives on effort and time dedicated to his cause rather than being factually correct or coherent.
Secondly, to some of IceTrolls comments above, the Dash core team are NETWORK APPOINTED. The masternodes VOTED to have Ryan as the Finance Director for Dash and fund him appropriately, he did not appoint himself....THE MASTERNODES DID THROUGH OUR AWESOME GOVERNANCE SYSTEM!
Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 892. (Read 9723733 times)
January 24, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
January 24, 2017, 09:48:21 PM
Could anyone explain me why Dash is needed at all?
Is it not just Bitcoin + Lightning Netowork + some Mixing Tool ?
What is the difference between those 2 ?
And Dash is not fungible like Monero, right ?
Is it not just Bitcoin + Lightning Netowork + some Mixing Tool ?
What is the difference between those 2 ?
And Dash is not fungible like Monero, right ?
Is monero fungible when you don't even know for certain how many coins are being produced due to an opaque block chain?
No Dash is very different from all of those projects. Lightning Network is a separate network that you have to lock your coins to for up to a year to make it worth while. Only those who buy into your chain can be traded with. it's clunky and ineloquent. Dash has everything as part of the core network, instant, fungible/private. It puts the user experience first, not a bunch of complex add on networks that lock you in a corner and nobody will use. The lightning network might as well be a way to color your coins and make them less valuable due to inability to pull out and convert to something else.
Lord have mercy, "isn't Dash just BTC + Lightning + "some mixing tool"? Obviously you have no idea what Dash has done. It's too much to explain here, but I highly suggest you play in Testnet to see how it works, and then if you are interested, read the papers on Evolution to see where Dash is going. Where Dash is going would be impossible for any single tier network to achieve.
January 24, 2017, 09:39:39 PM
It doesn't matter if you like Dash, Bitcoin or even Monero. The Dutch trying to crack down on privacy is a big thing. People attempting to keep their own private business private is nothing to do with the police of any country. Totalitarian superstate trying to edge ever closer to full control. This is something that should unite people from various breeds of crypto. Icebreaker are you with us?
I agree, but do we really have to take ol' Icy with us? Can't we leave him at home? Please? We can sneak out when he's on the toilet, no?
January 24, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
This user is always ignored.
Such naive idealism from our passionate would-be saviours.
I see Dash as being much more like Apple than, say, Debian, and I know very well which is a better investment.
Decentralization has both good and bad consequences. If you turn it into an object of worship, then you have joined a cult.
Is stock ownership in Apple "decentralization theater"? Were Jobs & Woz mere cult leaders? Are investors, product managers, engineers, salespeople and the whole infrastructure of Apple just an evil hierarchy? Is Apple a scam?
Frankly, I am not on board with the whole "there are no leaders" thing. Leadership and hierarchies are necessary to get things done. So far, Evan and the few people who make the big decisions are doing an excellent job, and the noisy complaints of children who are butt-hurt that they don't get an equal say is very boring, to say the least.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It's hard to please everyone unfortunately, but the dissonant voices are at the same time important and helpful to hear.
Your description of Dash as a hybrid is very true and well said, thanks
January 24, 2017, 08:49:04 PM
Could anyone explain me why Dash is needed at all?
Is it not just Bitcoin + Lightning Netowork + some Mixing Tool ?
What is the difference between those 2 ?
And Dashis not fungible like Monero, right ?
Is it not just Bitcoin + Lightning Netowork + some Mixing Tool ?
What is the difference between those 2 ?
And Dash
One huge difference is lighting is not implemented and segwit is stalled under 25% and falling.
Percentage of blocks signalling SegWit support
https://blockchain.info/charts/bip-9-segwit
Right now we have instant transactions, Decentralized governance and funding, 9%+ ROI Masternode payments, privatesend transactions and Dash evolution coming later this year....
Dash Evolution
https://www.dash.org/evolution/
Dash school
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiFMZOlhgsYKKOUOVjQjESCXfR1cCYCod
Why Aren't We Seeing Greater Adoption of Cryptocurrency?
https://youtu.be/zrIul2OGsQE
Published on Jan 23, 2017
Ryan Taylor defines two reasons crypto hasn't gone mainstream yet -- and it may not be the reasons you've been told elsewhere. This is the speech delivered by the Director of Finance of Dash at The North American Bitcoin Conference, 2017.
Learn more by visiting http://dash.org
Original presentation here: https://youtu.be/Tn2s6IHAL4A
Get social with us:
- Dash Slack: http://dashnation.com/chat
- DASH: Detailed Homepage: http://dashdetailed.com
- DASH: Detailed Twitter: http://twitter.com/dashdetailed
- Dash Homepage: http://dash.org
- Dash Twitter: http://twitter.com/dashpay
Dash Nation slack invite
http://dash-nation-invite.herokuapp.com/
https://youtu.be/zrIul2OGsQE
Published on Jan 23, 2017
Ryan Taylor defines two reasons crypto hasn't gone mainstream yet -- and it may not be the reasons you've been told elsewhere. This is the speech delivered by the Director of Finance of Dash at The North American Bitcoin Conference, 2017.
Learn more by visiting http://dash.org
Original presentation here: https://youtu.be/Tn2s6IHAL4A
Get social with us:
- Dash Slack: http://dashnation.com/chat
- DASH: Detailed Homepage: http://dashdetailed.com
- DASH: Detailed Twitter: http://twitter.com/dashdetailed
- Dash Homepage: http://dash.org
- Dash Twitter: http://twitter.com/dashpay
Dash Nation slack invite
http://dash-nation-invite.herokuapp.com/
Dash De-anonymization Contest
Icebreaker and other trolleros: I have donated $1 to Monero's development team. I sent 0.25 Dash (TX ID: 59d51690d4b56ddbf1e393fa8d3a49bcfc3247f270f36be3b6ee411802666cba-000) to shapeshift.io, which converted it to Bitcoin and sent it to the official Monero donation address listed at https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/.
I challenge you to de-anonymize this transaction. To make it just a little easier, I only used four rounds of Darksend, so it's exponentially less private than it would be with the maximum eight rounds.
Please tell me what address this transaction originated from.
Cheers!
Icebreaker and other trolleros: I have donated $1 to Monero's development team. I sent 0.25 Dash (TX ID: 59d51690d4b56ddbf1e393fa8d3a49bcfc3247f270f36be3b6ee411802666cba-000) to shapeshift.io, which converted it to Bitcoin and sent it to the official Monero donation address listed at https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/.
I challenge you to de-anonymize this transaction. To make it just a little easier, I only used four rounds of Darksend, so it's exponentially less private than it would be with the maximum eight rounds.
Please tell me what address this transaction originated from.
Cheers!
January 24, 2017, 08:22:46 PM
It doesn't matter if you like Dash, Bitcoin or even Monero. The Dutch trying to crack down on privacy is a big thing. People attempting to keep their own private business private is nothing to do with the police of any country. Totalitarian superstate trying to edge ever closer to full control. This is something that should unite people from various breeds of crypto. Icebreaker are you with us?
Don't try to play the 'But Muh Freedoms' card as a way to cover up Dash's deficiencies.
Masternodes exist for only one purpose, to facilitate unlicensed money services including laundering.
As a libertarian, I am personally against AML/KYC laws while at the same time respecting the freedom of association of Dutch people, which includes recognizing their right to pass whatever silly laws they wish.
You'd be more respectable if you pushed for the repeal of those unjust laws, rather than only trying to carve out a self-serving exception to them just so Dash Masternodes won't be shut down.
I will *never* unite with a scam like Dash in the name of privacy or anything else.
Including Dash in any movement, under any flag, taints the rest of the movement with Dash's fraud and scamminess, to the greater detriment of all authentic anti-authoritarian action.
Tolerating scams like Dash lets the enemies of freedom unfairly paint legitimate e-cash using a broad brush. I will not concede that weapon to the other side.
In the battle for monetary choice and economic freedom, Dash is a liability for our side, not an asset.
I don't hear you crying about the legal crackdown on Paycoin and OneCoin. Why is that? Perhaps you already understand the wisdom of choosing your battles and carefully vetting your allies?
January 24, 2017, 07:53:01 PM
Could anyone explain me why Dash is needed at all?
Is it not just Bitcoin + Lightning Netowork + some Mixing Tool ?
What is the difference between those 2 ?
And Dash is not fungible like Monero, right ?
Is it not just Bitcoin + Lightning Netowork + some Mixing Tool ?
What is the difference between those 2 ?
And Dash is not fungible like Monero, right ?
January 24, 2017, 06:29:49 PM
Proposal: Conferences & Travel - ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/
This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/
This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.
January 24, 2017, 06:16:10 PM
It doesn't matter if you like Dash, Bitcoin or even Monero. The Dutch trying to crack down on privacy is a big thing. People attempting to keep their own private business private is nothing to do with the police of any country. Totalitarian superstate trying to edge ever closer to full control. This is something that should unite people from various breeds of crypto. Icebreaker are you with us?
January 24, 2017, 06:03:29 PM
snip...passing proposals that do nothing. Legal, ATMs, ATM compliance. All BS proposals with no updates except for some creative writing.
I couldn't have said that better myself.This thread can summarize some of the problems. Note that the thread is closed for new comments.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-team-accountability-and-lack-of-communication.12567/
A lot of people had some of those same concerns including myself. Communication needs to be improved for sure. I was very happy to see Daniel/minotaur post some great yet long overdue updates. Also, Ira (ATM) came into slack and answered a lot of questions a week or so ago. At this point most of my concerns have been alleviated. Communication still needs to be worked on but i'm happy with the direction that is going now.
Project Updates
https://www.dash.org/forum/topic/project-updates.123/
January 24, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
This user is always ignored.
Such naive idealism from our passionate would-be saviours.
I see Dash as being much more like Apple than, say, Debian, and I know very well which is a better investment.
Decentralization has both good and bad consequences. If you turn it into an object of worship, then you have joined a cult.
Is stock ownership in Apple "decentralization theater"? Were Jobs & Woz mere cult leaders? Are investors, product managers, engineers, salespeople and the whole infrastructure of Apple just an evil hierarchy? Is Apple a scam?
Frankly, I am not on board with the whole "there are no leaders" thing. Leadership and hierarchies are necessary to get things done. So far, Evan and the few people who make the big decisions are doing an excellent job, and the noisy complaints of children who are butt-hurt that they don't get an equal say is very boring, to say the least.
January 24, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
A lot of troll activity i see, good.
Free Dash ANN thread bumps are always appreciated.
Free Dash ANN thread bumps are always appreciated.
Everyone wants cheap dash as usual
January 24, 2017, 04:47:56 PM
Even if you believed in Dash tech, you would be put off by all the corruption with core guys passing proposals that do nothing. Legal, ATMs, ATM compliance. All BS proposals with no updates except for some creative writing.
I couldn't have said that better myself.This thread can summarize some of the problems. Note that the thread is closed for new comments.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-team-accountability-and-lack-of-communication.12567/
Your mistake was assuming you were participating in a normal FOSS project, when in reality the Dash community is more like a OneCoin or Scientology multi-level-marketing scam complete with insular, cultish us-vs-them attitudes.
Why didn't you listen to what vertoe said when she quit the project? The lack of accountability and (meaningful) communication is 100% entailed by the top-down Duffield-centric hierarchy vertoe described in her magnum opus.
i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.
the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.
i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.
if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?
good luck
the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.
i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.
if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?
good luck
That was almost two years ago, yet here you are acting all shocked and butthurt about the exact same "Decentralization Theater" issues that vertoe laid out and have been sitting around for all to read.
You had plenty of warning about Dash's Scientology-esque attack-the-attacker responses to criticism, so stop whining and accept you got brainwashed by a cult (albeit aided by your own greed).
TheDashGuy also told you in no uncertain terms.
Quote from: TheDashGuy
What the hell is wrong with this picture? i thought we were a decentralized project?
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-this-picture-i-thought-we-were-a-decentralized-project.9229/
Starting to look like an old fashion centralized company around here. I guess theres only 3 peoples opinions who matter.
I don't exactly support Taos proposal as is but do you see me over here hounding him about spamming or anything just because I wish he would focus on something else? Or treating him like an annoying child like you guys always do?
No.
So get off your high horses. just because you bought so many nodes early on Daniel doesn't give you any sort of ownership over this goddamn project.
It's either decentralized or it isn't. Stop mincing words and meanings. Stick to your shit and stop going back and forth. You guys are really starting to worry me with this whole attitude honestly. Sort of wish I would have done more research about the team before committing so much of my time to this shit.
Grow the hell up and learn some people skills, you guys are really starting to show your true colors it seems. Dictating the way things are going to go and literally making people look bad who disagree with you and or starting some shit about people being trolls.
Not really sure why I'm here honestly, I believed in a decentralized economy that would be more fair to the average Joe, thats obviously not Dash. You guys just wanna stack more MN's while thier cheap, then control the voting all the way through! Smart move!
Such bullshit. Go ahead keep wasting the budget on getting richer and when the whole goddamn project collapses we'll know who to blame.
At least you are starting to wake up and realize Evan's cult considers him above reproach no matter what he does (rebrand to Dash, abandoning DarkCoin's massive name recognition and reputation for some generic soap BS) or does not do (no 2mb blocks despite overwhelming votes for that feature), and you are never going to get that Golden Donkey.
Isn't it about time you started crying fraud, now that you are starting to see the fraud?
Or will you persist in maintaining the delusion that a cult's leader is somehow accountable to and obligated to communicate with his bagholding, Kool-Aid drinking followers?
January 24, 2017, 12:36:24 PM
https://steemit.com/dash/@iminecoinz/crypto-news-another-great-episode-of-dash-and-it-s-future-explains-alot-how-the-road-map-of-dash-will-be
The first one to tell me what the two reasons are why we are not seeing widespread use of cryptocurrencies, gets a cookie from me
The first one to tell me what the two reasons are why we are not seeing widespread use of cryptocurrencies, gets a cookie from me
January 24, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
A lot of troll activity i see, good.
Free Dash ANN thread bumps are always appreciated.
And all the while...he is dumping with his other hand. Free Dash ANN thread bumps are always appreciated.
January 24, 2017, 12:29:41 PM
A lot of troll activity i see, good.
Free Dash ANN thread bumps are always appreciated.
Free Dash ANN thread bumps are always appreciated.
January 24, 2017, 12:26:58 PM
Even if you believed in Dash tech, you would be put off by all the corruption with core guys passing proposals that do nothing. Legal, ATMs, ATM compliance. All BS proposals with no updates except for some creative writing.
I couldn't have said that better myself.This thread can summarize some of the problems. Note that the thread is closed for new comments.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-team-accountability-and-lack-of-communication.12567/
yes, if certain people did not go on an off-topic spree in there then it may still have been open Solarminer .. somethingh to think about.
January 24, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
Even if you believed in Dash tech, you would be put off by all the corruption with core guys passing proposals that do nothing. Legal, ATMs, ATM compliance. All BS proposals with no updates except for some creative writing.
I couldn't have said that better myself.This thread can summarize some of the problems. Note that the thread is closed for new comments.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-team-accountability-and-lack-of-communication.12567/
yes, if certain people did not go on an off-topic spree in there then it may still have been open Solarminer .. something to think about.
Good call from the moderator
January 24, 2017, 11:19:05 AM
Even if you believed in Dash tech, you would be put off by all the corruption with core guys passing proposals that do nothing. Legal, ATMs, ATM compliance. All BS proposals with no updates except for some creative writing.
I couldn't have said that better myself.This thread can summarize some of the problems. Note that the thread is closed for new comments.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-team-accountability-and-lack-of-communication.12567/
January 24, 2017, 11:01:02 AM
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