Topic: [ANN][Datacoin] Datacoin blockchain start announcement (Minor code upd + logo) - page 48. (Read 171862 times)

The community needs to adapt the argument to serve the non-tech investors and non-tech crypto enthusiasts more appropriately:

Please take a look at the following arguments:

1. Ah! The very concept of what is legal or illegal can change with time, we shouldn't bother with that anyway!
2. But if DTC stops the permanent uploading to the blockchain, then where will Assange upload the next lot of secret documents?
3. It doesn't matter if some people upload files to the blockchain, if you don't have access to it, why are you worrying?
4. The files are going to be stored via steganography, so the file only exists for one who holds the key to it.
5. Anyone who uploads illegal files and keep the access keys to it would be incredibly stupid.

All of these are NOT good enough. Why?

They demand some sort of faith in the system or believe in a specific paradigm. (1,2,3 and 5) ...or they demand some sort of specific technical knowledge. (4)

Arguments that require some sort of faith in the system, or believe in a paradigm, are entirely useless. Some people will adopt those arguments, but the majority will not, and if the success of DTC is intrinsically related to bringing the masses to the coin, one MUST conclude these are weak arguments that will not help in the long term.

Arguments that require some sort of technical knowledge are GOOD, but ONLY if people are able to understand them. For instance, the very use of the word steganography is going to make loads of people run away from the coin. The argument itself is good, but it needs to be simplified to reach the masses.

I've been working in the advertising industry for 10+ years, and these are techniques that marketers have been successfully using long before that.

AFAIK it is impossible in general - you need to find all these bytes, or at least some of them to corrupt file. I suggest that it will be rejected by all other network, and you'll need to re-sync your blockchain.

But lets say you know that wn3 from sdfg25sdwfge0021nsd23 is what you want deleted. Can you delete those 3 bytes without problem? Obviously i dont understand how blockchain work yet and thats why i am asking...

how can you 'delete' this file? Please read carefully first part of linked comment
http://www.reddit.com/r/Datacoin/comments/1tvwhu/if_i_run_a_datacoin_node_and_somebody_uploads/cecdi4e

steganography - . So I can give an example, let's say: your 'illegal picture' has first 3 bytes bytes (in ASCII form) aef . After encoding they turn into wn3. After incuding into blockchain, if you open it with hexeditor, you can see sdfg25sdwfge0021nsd23. How can you delete this data? How can you see it as illegal?

And I agree with cryptrol\rayvellest about lawyers, but I really have no idea when to find lawyers for such question.

But i wanted to ask something i am not i remember correctly. Maybe it is already posted somewhere in this thread.

I have the blockchain in my computer. Is it possible for me to delete part of it without a problem? Lets say i dont want the first test file already stored in the blockchain. Can i delete it somehow but continue having the rest of the blockchain without problem?

THAT is the EXACT kind of argumentation that non-tech investors want to see before thinking on investing large in DTC.

I didn't meant to sound harsh, but this topic has appeared a thousand times in this thread and is something that simply can't be avoided, like it can't be avoided to find illegal content in the internet.


Every technology has the potential to do good or bad. This is no exception and the good things outweighs the bad things.



I absolutely agree.

And BTW please read the reddit post linked by GreekBitcoin.

I'm sure that you know how do people perceive TOR network. 'You can find CP, weapons, drugs and other illegal things here!' But very many people use TOR every day not for CP or weapons, just to get some blocked information. Quote from comment mentioned by GreekBitcoin:

See this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Datacoin/comments/1tvwhu/if_i_run_a_datacoin_node_and_somebody_uploads/cecdi4e

Now the point is that you cant have a decentralized storage system and someone to also police it. it cant happen. Simple as that. And if Datacoin will ever be illegal because of illegal stuff on the blockchain the same can happen for bitcoin. Definition of what is illegal and what is not is very broad. If a country says that bitcoin is illegal will you still use it or not? There are prime numbers that are illegal. Why? If you want answers read the whole thread here and also on reddit. And indeed talking to a lawyer is the best thing you can do indeed. But i am not sure he will easily be able to answer too. It depends on many things and how aggressive a goverment wants to be...

Edit because of your post: But if you ask about legality it doesnt matter if noone is looking at bitcoin or not. You are asking if it is illegal or not. Or i could answer you that you will never probably get arrested for storing the blockchain where others put something illegal...if you know what i mean..

That makes a lot of sense GreekBitcoin, but keep in mind that DTC is the only coin that focus on the blockchain storage potential.

Nobody looks at Bitcoin, Namecoin and think of it as a place to storage files, so nobody gets worried with illegal content.

DTC needs to deal with this fact because storage is the essential part of how people perceive the coin.

You sound like you do not appreciate the fact that people are posting their worries here. If you ask me, THAT makes no sense!

This is an open forum created to discuss crypto-currencies and it seems like that's exactly what we are doing here. This thread is design to receive commentary from all sorts of people, some are going to be good, and some are going to bring attention to all sorts of problems. The very success of DTC depends on people doing that.

How can one fix a problem, if one does not know the problem exists?

If DTC has no real issue with hosting illegal content, why so many people seem to avoid discussing this topic? If DTC has no problem with illegal files, why you suggest I should not post my worries here, and instead get in touch with a laywer? THAT makes no sense whatsoever!

Am I the only one talking about that issue? You only need to read the thread to see how many people mentioned the illegal files issue. The truth is that as long as people like you keep treating these worries as a minor inconvenience, you will keep pushing people away from DTC.

If my suggestion sound non-sensical to you, then something else must be done to bring those people like me to your side. If one can convince me that the illegal issue is not really an issue, I will promptly invest and promote the coin. Until now, none of the arguments were strong enough to accomplish that.

Perhaps, what this community really needs is a group of lawyers to come here, and add their own two cents on the topic. Do you know any that would do that?

Thanks for the head up GreekBitcoin, I also mentioned the fees on the other post.

Good news everybody! I am putting this here cause it will get buried because of the shitty coins anouncements! I am very glad to see it!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=405992.msg4399003;topicseen#msg4399003


And oocook5u whenever you can please try to read this whole thread and answer to questions. I know you already have answered to some but yeah. For example what about the fees people are asking?

People should understand that as long as there is a blockchain there can be stored illegal stuff there forever. And the point of a blockchain is this "forever". This is the same for Datacoin, Namecoin, Bitcoin etc...

This just makes no sense.
Data is data, data can be anything, data can be illegal, data can even BECOME illegal after years.
Datacoin is a blockchain, you can't change the blockchain after a block is inserted without changing the whole chain, period.
You can't enforce the data type to store in the blockchain, there could be a consensus like in the envelope protocol but that is just a
consensus, not a mandatory rule.
I would ask the people that is so worried about illegal content to go ask a lawyer instead of posting their worries here, or at least before posting.

Pleas read the reddit thread some posts above this for some nice arguments about posting illegal content to a blockchain (any blockchain).

I think the team behind DTC should listen to what the crypto-community have to say. I believe that DTC has huge potential, and the community is providing amazing feedback. Considering a minor change in the initial concept could actually make it even more successful.

The MAJOR value in Datacoin is that it positioned itself as a coin made for STORAGE, and that, IS THE WINNING CONCEPT!

Considering the way this concept was developed, it has end up creating two major issues: (1) the potential use for illegal files, and (2) the bloating of the blockchain. As a matter of fact, I wonder if the second issue is what is holding Cryptsy from start trading it in its platform.

Here is how I see this coin...

DTC should become the ultimate database of torrent files. That would be an extremely popular way of accomplish storage in crypto-currency.

That would solve problem number (1) and (2) at the same time. DTC would never be hosting any illegal files, just torrents (which are just links), and the blockchain would stay light as feather. Anyone could benefit from it by using a special block explorer to search for files.

This solution would never bloat the blockchain, and nobody would host illegal files in their computers. An ELEGANT solution, if I may!

Now, considering the above implementation, a special parameter could be added to DTC to define the file as hidden from public. That would prevent from ever appearing on the block explorer search results, so these hidden files would be only available for people who knew how to find them with a special access key. (I believe a crypto-expert can ship in to improve this concept to something better)

What we all should understand very clearly is the following...

People will RUSH to DTC if they understand is a reliable system for storage, but they will RUN FROM IT if they think they have any chance of being associated with the hosting of illegal files. This issue CANNOT be avoided with technical arguments, the community is being extremely vocal about it, and it MUST be addressed seriously. The team behind DTC development MUST find a solution for that to succeed.

Here's another way of putting this...

The success of DTC is directly related with convincing a massive amount of regular users and non-tech investors to adopt the coin. They ARE NOT GOING to invest in DTC if they think they think that to be something risky. THAT IS A FACT and that's why the community is so vocal about it.

What would you rather have? Keep the original concept with nobody investing in the coin, or make a small change and end up bringing the masses? Think about that.

@Snard
Please check your personal message

Let me know if you need any help with non-tech things, i.e. coding. That is if there are any non-tech things to do

I am currently entering a very busy time with work, will be traveling extensively, and wont be able to focus on Chainbrowser for a very long time if at all. With that said, if you or someone you know would be interested in taking over the site or just the code, I would be willing sell the source, domain, be there to help with QA during migration, and how to modify coin source to automatically add new blocks to the database.

I hesitate to give it for free due to the amount of hours I have put into developing it.  There are really only 3 items that need to be worked out:

1. Resolve the duplicate outputs every once in a while.
2. Adding information in the Addresses section on who the particular address sends coins to.
3. The prime number information you are looking for.

I am sure someone who is better versed in cryptocurrency and php could easily fix these items. 

I am offering this to your team first and it was originally designed for DTC and don't want to see DTC hung out to dry without a block explorer.

If there is any interest, please pm me.

Thank you so much for details Great job!
I think this coin is something really new with neat ideas inside, and I support it as I can.
I hope on cryptsy loyalty, we really need to be added on this exchange, bter sucks.