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Topic: [ANN][EAC] EarthCoin *SEEKING NEW EXCHANGES - HUGE VOLUMES BEING MISSED! - page 85. (Read 840344 times)

legendary
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wow..this coin died in the ass

Of course it is, people are buying articles on altoulet.com using earthcoins, all dead articles, you know, it are all zombie articles. Very nice that you can buy stuff with ashes!! What will happen when this coin was not dead? Buying houses or so?
legendary
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wow..this coin died in the ass
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Hello Earthlings.

I’ve been reading the forum, which it might not seem as I haven’t posted anything up for a bit, but I do see what y’all are talking about.

I’d like to address a couple of things on that right now.

First, the issue of the algorithm and rewards per block. I see a number of proposals out there, and I’ll tell you straight up that we are largely in line with ATXsilver on this. However, I want to go a little deeper.

So, Proof of Stake.

This may be the most uneconomic and stupid idea ever put forth in the crypto community. I doubt it, as that well has no bottom, but this is a coin. It’s supposed to faciltate trade and foster development of an ecosystem. This is anathema to simply hoarding it. As ATXsilver pointed out, it essentially incentivises taking your coins out of circulation for a long/indefinite period of time to “earn” a little extra coin. It’s illusory.

Let’s look at reality. In a system that doesn’t use fractional reserve and other such nonsense, you want to have money constantly building things. A savings account accrues interest because of it’s use, not it’s disuse. To wit: You deposit monies in a savings account at a financial institution. We’ll go with a Ceritficate of Deposit, as it’s the easiest to illustrate the concept with. This money is in the control of the financial institution for a minimum period. We’ll go with six months on this. If you pull it out of before the period is up, you incur a penalty. You forfeit a part of the earnings, sometimes even a part of the principle by doing this.

Why do you suppose that is?

I won’t leave you hanging too long. But do think about it for a moment before reading the rest of this.

The reason is in the mechanics of finance. A bank does NOT “create money” unless it engages in fractional reserves, which is a massive fraud. Wealth is created by making things and providing services in constant exchange. This is NOT a static process, ever. The bank takes that CD, which is a loan made BY YOU TO THEM for a specific period of time, and they invest it in the form of loans for various purposes, which are paid back at a higher rate of interest than your CD. They share the profits with you in the form of interest. This is a valid and highly lucrative method of making wealth. But if you pull out early, then they have to pay from other reserves to make you whole, and that’s a breach of contract. Luckily, that breach is within the contract in the form of penalties. This makes it so that you are less likely to breach, and they have incentive to make the most they can by trade and arbitrage while they control the money.

Proof of Stake, on the other hand, just has it setting there idly. This doesn’t improve the value of the brand, doesn’t help you, and doesn’t help the coin’s ecosystem. Nothing is being done with it. It is a reward for sloth, which should not be rewarded. It goes agains every non Keynesian economic principle. You’ll find few disciples of Keynes in the crypto world, and they aren’t going to like a dynamic economy anyway.

You want to earn interest on your coins? EARN IT! Make loans, make investments in people’s ideas with a specific, periodic repayment. Look up what Return on Investment really means, and you’ll have a firmer understanding of what I’m talking about, and why POS is a really amazingly bad idea.

Now, on to rewards reduction.

I think it’s a good idea to cut it sooner, but that halving early might be a bad idea. Perhaps cut it by 25 % in the near future, and then the “normal” halving on schedule. We also need a lot less focus on mining and a lot more on real world adoption. The mining is working more or less as intended. I’ll adress multipools at a later time, as the team and I are discussing that in depth now. I’ll say that I think they do less harm than is perceived, as they increase demand for the coin, and our difficulty adjustment is rather robust.

But cutting the reward down a bit might also drive prices up temporarily, and that could lead to speedier adoption if it’s played right.

So, on that note, whether we decide to do it or not, I would encourage those of you who mine to find better ways than exchanges to do things with your coins. And when you do, PROMOTE THE HELL OUT OF IT!!!!

Also, a flaw that was pointed out to me in exchanges. They tend to list the “last sale” as the “average” which means you can think a coin is trading robustly at, say 17 satoshis, when in fact that was one small sale.

This can be manipulated! BUY at a higher rate. And watch. I’m going to do this shortly, and we’ll see how the theory plays out. It may not be today, as I have time constraints, but it will definitely happen in the next few days. Watch for it.

That, coupled with making it somewhat more scarce, seems a good start to me.

Mining. Above I sort of disparaged mining. The statement was incomplete. Miners are absolutely vital to Earthcoin. But they are one aspect of many, and it is my belief that the other aspects are being marginalised by the focus on miners. ATXsilver, Centurion, and a few others are leading the way on the right path.

Ultimately, money is a unit of exchange for real world goods and services. When it ceases to be so, or fails to become such, it fails. Ultimately, all fiat currencies fail. In modern times, they have largely been “replaced” by another fiat currency, but historiclly it has defaulted to commodities, particularly precious metals. This is because it’s something that will always be of tradeable value.
But in the modern world, precious metals have become somewhat less of utility in the common market due to the sheer speed of transactions. This is where crytocurrency really shines. Even BTC, which is about the slowest coin out there, transacts orders of magnitudes faster over a distance than either Fiat or precious metals.
We can outshine bitcoin in this, as it will absolutely require systems of trust, like credit/debit cards, in order to transact in the meat world. It’s speed is good enough for online transactions, but it fails utterly for the guy that wants a cup of coffee. Our transactional speeds are swift enough without a third party to make that problem go away. This puts us in a great position to market Earthcoin as the next big thing. It’s not the only thing it’s got going on, though.

The miners make this speed happen, and as such deserve to be rewarded. I just think that the current exchange model is lacking, and that miners are not being proactive in this. EAC won’t sell at 20 satoshis if nobody will let loose of it for 20 satoshis. So, Again, I’m calling on the miners and traders to NOT sell low. I’d frankly set a mark at 100 sat, and sell no lower. If YOU think it’s worth that, and act accordingly, then others will see that, and the perceived value will increase dramatically.
As mentioned above, in the next day or two, I’m going to buy EAC at an ask price of 100 satoshis. I don’t have a lot of bitcoin, so this will be one guy doing his part. If a bunch of you do the same, you’ll pump the price up above that real quick. Exchanges are driven by emotion, not fact. That some traders have their emotions in check doesn’t change this, except for them. And they will manipulate the market in their favor. Nothing wrong with that, but if you UNDERSTAND it, you can be on the profitable side.
I will not buy EAC for less than 100 Satoshis as my offer. Yeah, at first I’ll probably snap up a bunch of buys along the way to that, because that’s how the exchanges are structured. But if just a few of us do this, nobody will sell at the low price anymore. I will not SELL for less than 150. I don’t need the money right this second. I can wait. If just a few of us take this approach, the coin will become much more valuable very fast. As a quick note, is there a way to restrict the buy or do it one to one on cryptsy? Because since I wrote this I tried the above on a very small test and it just took the lowest offer.

But exchanges are only a small part of the game. Talk to anyone you think will be interested in taking EAC as payment. Even if it’s only partial payment. Get grocers and what not interested in using it as a bonus program, online retailers to accept it as part payment or as a bonus program, writers of digital content to price their works in EAC, etcetera. This is what the dev team is focused on, and this is what will make Earthcoin viable for the future.

We have what it takes to take on the giants and come out a winner. We just have to do it.





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nop...pretty much sure its dead Wink

then why are you here?

my criticism may be harsh, but it is constructive.

saying "it's dead" only helps you if you plan to buy some at a lower price.

otherwise why even bother posting?

this attitude is self serving and pretty transparent.

it is nice to see you seem sure that you can earn some money with buying eac low and sell high, but while this signals confidence in the coin, it is not really helping to create the foundation for necessary change
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Oh crap at 11satoshi on coinedup already Sad Sad Sad
not much of a buy walls either on both cryptsy/coinedup
bit sick in stomach to be honest, had a friend who spent almost half a years wage on earthcoin when he bought it at 90satoshi thinking it was the best investment ever and he could remodel his apartment with the profits,pretty much sure it was all his savings.  Undecided

Yea, the big investments have already been made - the amount of coins being mined every day just can't be bought up anymore. Did my part and bought 20M but that amount is mined in almost a day. So tomorrow someone else has to buy 20M to keep the price from not falling.
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Oh crap at 11satoshi on coinedup already Sad Sad Sad
not much of a buy walls either on both cryptsy/coinedup
bit sick in stomach to be honest, had a friend who spent almost half a years wage on earthcoin when he bought it at 90satoshi thinking it was the best investment ever and he could remodel his apartment with the profits,pretty much sure it was all his savings.  Undecided
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And of course the price drops...there is a huge emission of coins, so there is an inflation.  More coins goes out than new coming blood buys. If there was an increasing price, it would be just another bubble/ponzi...
most of the alts are dead now, including at the very top Earthcoin!
Sorry it was a fun ride, I might buy back in with some small $ once it hits 3-4satoshis,seems like that point will be reached within 1.5-2weeks Sad
Lost some good money on EAC myself but glad I sold all of my EAC at 35satoshi

it's not dead... one just gets the impression that it's just not being developed -- at all...

dogecoin just chnaged the block reward system completely. random to fixed amount via a hard fork.

so people see doge is being worked on...


once the eac team does some actual WALLET/client updates with improvements, people will see it is not dead.

eac still has one of the best brands out there.


imho the devs are too cheap to hire a competent programmer. that's the main problem why all they're giving us is talk


nop...pretty much sure its dead Wink
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Trading at 3-5 satoshi range makes a horrible trading experience - imagine a merchant trying to cash out 1M coins and having 50M coins before him in sell queue at 4 satoshis. So should he take a 25% loss and sell immediately at 3 satoshi or wait an unknown time at the 4 sat queue? Just gotta hope it never goes that low.

 that's why the argument that price is not important at all and all will be fine in the long run, is garbage.

price is not important if it is in the 200 or 300 range- not if it is in the teens


but all this can be fixed easily.

eac is not a premeditated scam like moon... and even moon went from 1 to 20 (and to 1 again).

there is a bright future as soon as the devs stop feeling sorry for themselves and stop being too cheap to hire competent help

at the end, no one here is gonna use incryptex if it is the sole reason why all money and manpower got drained from eac and put into an exchqange which will or will not be shut down by new regulations by the sociopathic and multiple personality disorder suffering legislature

lets face it: most of us only bought into eac because we were promised a eac/usd ONLY exchange and we knew this would create insane demand for eac as he only was to transform alts into $$$ without using big exchanges and the most watched coins, i.e. btc and ltc

this promise was broken and not even that, all energy was redirected away from eac towards incryptex. the result is 14 sat at this moment

the maddening thing is that all this can be fixed easily and people will let bygones be bygones but it takes both sides for that
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And of course the price drops...there is a huge emission of coins, so there is an inflation.  More coins goes out than new coming blood buys. If there was an increasing price, it would be just another bubble/ponzi...
most of the alts are dead now, including at the very top Earthcoin!
Sorry it was a fun ride, I might buy back in with some small $ once it hits 3-4satoshis,seems like that point will be reached within 1.5-2weeks Sad
Lost some good money on EAC myself but glad I sold all of my EAC at 35satoshi

it's not dead... one just gets the impression that it's just not being developed -- at all...

dogecoin just chnaged the block reward system completely. random to fixed amount via a hard fork.

so people see doge is being worked on...


once the eac team does some actual WALLET/client updates with improvements, people will see it is not dead.

eac still has one of the best brands out there.


imho the devs are too cheap to hire a competent programmer. that's the main problem why all they're giving us is talk

hero member
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Trading at 3-5 satoshi range makes a horrible trading experience - imagine a merchant trying to cash out 1M coins and having 50M coins before him in sell queue at 4 satoshis. So should he take a 25% loss and sell immediately at 3 satoshi or wait an unknown time at the 4 sat queue? Just gotta hope it never goes that low.
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And of course the price drops...there is a huge emission of coins, so there is an inflation.  More coins goes out than new coming blood buys. If there was an increasing price, it would be just another bubble/ponzi...
most of the alts are dead now, including at the very top Earthcoin!
Sorry it was a fun ride, I might buy back in with some small $ once it hits 3-4satoshis,seems like that point will be reached within 1.5-2weeks Sad
Lost some good money on EAC myself but glad I sold all of my EAC at 35satoshi
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another interesting point is the topic of anonymity.

while pos is something immediate, this is a medium to long term issue:

look at anoncoin (which is still not that anonymous)... it has held its place in the grand scheme of things for months now.
it is neither highly successful nor did it lose a lot of value.

it uses i2p and tor, i.e. hidden services to protect some aspect of anonymity.

zerocoin is not just a coming (probably sha based) coin, but also a open source thingy one can implement in a current coin and make it pretty anonymous without the help of hidden services.

as far as I know, they still plan to release this as a quasi addon devs can use for their own coins.


 anonymity sells. especially as soon as governments start banning or restricting crypto. they won't really succeed, but like in the copyright war, a few unlucky ones gonna get into trouble.

with bitcoins dark wallet and mixing coins like dark coin, or whatever zerocoin uses or the hidden services method of anoncoin, it is clear this is a market.

currently dark coin as well as anoncoin do pretty well.

the fear people have about "regulations" taxation, government sabtage or similar stupid ideas the people who bought votes with imaginary money will come up with, will keep prices up for those coins.



earthcoin could take a look at the zerocoin alpha which is publicly available on the project website, or try to use another method of improving people's anonymity

as I said, it is not really necessary now, but it might 'complete' the expectations people have of a cryptocoin.

e.g. anoncoin uses the anonymous logo and some people really have a problem with this crowd. it will limit the success of the coin.

eac could use its main feature and offer faster transaction time and pos and a more compatible and presentable design and focus

just as an idea
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Name one established successful POS coin ...

I never heard of one.

peercoin?  enough? Wink
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Will someone use eac as a currency then? Or will everyone just hold the coins, so the market will be dead because of "why buy this today, when I can have two sometimes later?"

good point, in theory.

that's what I meant with the fundamental problem pure POS coins have...

but generally you can make it so that let's say you have 5 mil eac;

you spend 500k and the rest 4.5k will still earn interest

then you get 200k interest, or you buy 200k on cryptsy;

this money will take x days until is it valid for gaining interest.

this is compound interest i.e. any interest you get will soon also be valid to gather interest.

wallet in POS coins has 2 areas. coins that are gaining interest, and coins that are not (yet)

it is not complicted. just a second number.

BC tells you how long it takes on average until your wallet gains interest.


it will not be so much that people hold back and do not use it to buy goods, or silver Wink

but it will be enough to make them hold it, not put it into exchange wallets and treat it as an investment as well as money.

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And of course the price drops...there is a huge emission of coins, so there is an inflation.  More coins goes out than new coming blood buys. If there was an increasing price, it would be just another bubble/ponzi...
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EAC on verge of single digit satoshi prices. Is this the end? Or are we going to implement PoS?

EAC does NOT negotiate with terrorists :-p
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I am not a fan of your "sales." Marked down my ass. Plus these are now triple what they used to be when EAC was just double.

Well if you don't like buying silver at 22% discount to current 'spot' prices, you can always go pay 110% of spot silver price at your local coin dealer with your US Dollars.

If you liked the deals much better at previous prices, when EAC was higher, why did you not buy then? This only goes to prove the value of being able to transfer your EAC into physical silver bullion. Those who were buying my Morgan Silver Dollars at 40,000 EAC two per two weeks ago feel like they are brilliant at this current moment.

This is indeed how you ACTUALLY add value to EAC, I give the EAC holders 'options' and flexibility to transfer out of their crypto, without having to go into FIAT or BTC, and directly into a True Store of Value (Silver).

Sorry if I offended you, kind sir, but I try to be as fair as possible to this community.
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I dont care about premine, hashes, reward , merchants, etc.
What EAC NEEDS is...big innovation, all Litecoin based is doomed, people will naturally(if they smart enough) choose Litecoin as their main battletank , so what EAC need is innovation like NXT coin (known as second generation cryptocurrencies) , first generation will be replaced by second/even thrid generation later, even Bitcoin, regardless its mineable or not, and if you think hard/ have knowledge in Economy, large business will prefer NXT or the like type for all of this.

Think what EAC need the most at the moment is stablility, and changing to POS is the oppositie. Im mostly concerned in getting new people into Crypto, both retailers & there customers. They do not care about the underlaying tech, they just need to know it is secure.
Yes, a agree the underlaying tech will need work in the future but just changing this in hope you will get a some more sat?Huh
Forget BTC & exchanges, i want to pay for my hosting with EAC, order Fyverr jobs, get a cup of coffee or order a book.
We need to exchange EAC for products, not BTC




what a tremendously stupid post.
 stability is exactly what POS stands for... and POW creates more and more and more coins every day. it is the opposite of stability.

in 3 months we will have twice as much eac as we have now. even if we get twice as many merchants accepting eac, even if twice as many people for some strange reason buy into eac, we will still be at close to 1 satoshi. why? cause there is no perspective.

in 3 months we know that  come december there will again be double the eac.

1) with POS this would stop NOW.

2) every holder of EAC would be rewarded. you'd earn more coins by HOLDING them. that means people have no incentive to sell. interest would be created after let's say 4 days of holding coins and trickle in slowly, or be a random reward in big blocks.
basically you'd mine by holding, not mine and sell.

3) people would not hold millions of eac on cryptsy or the next mtgox because they want interest. this would prevent a situation like cryptorush being hacked, xxx mil eac stolen and then instantly sold on cryptsy to not be tracked.

4) eac has a very fast transaction time. there is no reason to hold it on exchanges anyway

5) POS will give merchants more reason to accept eac, because it is more stable by limiting the amount of eac produced each day.
now a merchant has to run a script or adjust prices manually every time eac takes a dive on cryptsy (=daily)

6) proof of stake is OLD. it is not a "new thing". it is not buggy or has problems like the gravity well algo

7) credibility of eac: this coin screams earth and it should also scream "cares about earth". personally, I think this is utter bullshit. I do not believe in this idea of saving a piece of rock that could not care less about us. but it sells.
and it is not inconsistent.
POS costs a tiny fraction of computer power and thus energy that POW does.

Cool this is unfortunately a problem in these threads.. the echo chamber effect. a large amount of "believers" who'd praise the devs even if they had sex with their mom and a small amount of people who have completely unreasonable expectations and criticism.
few people actually want to improve the coin. some trashers have financial interests, so have some "praisers".
some are just pissed off and some are clueless.

I suggest stopping all that and look at what the competition does, and imitate that:

Blackcoin had 1400 BTC volume on one day. on mintpal. not even cryptsy. it still is not on cryptsy. it was POW for a week, then switched completely to POS.
yes, this was pre planned, and not directly comparable.
but BC will never sink to 1 satoshi cause there is no new supply. 1 week of mining. that was it.

Zeitcoin does the same. it's 6 weeks and a few minute differences.

both coins have just ONE huge disadvantage. they are not spread out like EAC.

EAC is superiour cause more different people hold eac.  that is the crux with POS, the spreading of the currency.

EAC could combine the benefits of POW and POS by drastically limiting new production, creating new coins only by giving people EAC that have held eac in their wallet for many days.

9) the last point is psychological:  for many here, change is bad. why? cause they are still here. only those who can stand standstill are continuing to post in an environment that seems to lack any change.

change in the real world, especially in business, is always seen as good. even if it is catastrophic, and it would have been better not to do anything.

in this case, I made my case and there are valid reasons to DO something, not to hope and collect change... which is what eac would become.

the public eye will see this as a good thing. especially since POS is old, yet a new trend, one that has been very successful in times of asic miners and so on.

POS is independent of asics, multipools, exchange hacks (relatively) and other problems POW has.




I think many who do not approve of this idea are just not very well informed.

to make it clear again: I think eac has TREMENDOUS potential, but not in its current form.
we have the chance to combine the proliferation and the spread that our POW scheme has created with the incentive to hold, to buy more and to "invest" that POS does.

if we do this, eac could be the new protein in the primordial soup of scrypt alts



Will someone use eac as a currency then? Or will everyone just hold the coins, so the market will be dead because of "why buy this today, when I can have two sometimes later?"
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