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What will you gain when changing to X11 at this stage? There are a total of 110,000,000,000 coins and you're already at 70,000,000,000. Changing your algorithm will not help you in new miners, etc, as the block reward is already so low.

I would suggest:

1. Really try to get on bittrex.com or so, as you don't have any exchange where you can use your coins, ok, lets stated it differently any good exchange.

2. I would go for POS, just allow people to mine 1 or 2 weeks using POW, but with a big amount of coins that they can mine, else nobody will mine it. Move to POS with a nice yearly return.

You cannot remove any coins... that is the biggest problem here. I've a third idea.

Basically this coin is dying, why not launch a new coin with x% pre-mine. Let this coin die, BUT reward the people that has been mining for you since the beginning, so what you will ask is, that people deposit their EDU coins to your wallet, based on the number of coins they will receive a part of the pre-mine coin. Launch a new coin with a lot less coins!!!! Everything above 10,000,000,000 is way too much.

Just think about it. Have a good marketing team for your coin to market it, and don't be afraid to pay (or invest) for it.



Ideas for Educoin2.0 :

Primary Goals:
- Put Educoin in the hands of people who could benefit from Educoin the most, the students and teachers across the world.
- Target college students with Scholarship program (sign up .edu email for your piece of the Educoin scholarship fund!)
- Contact http://www.arcademics.com/ and other similar websites to reward students who complete games/quizes in Educoin (doubles as a differentiation strategy to increase site traffic as well as teaching younger generations about cryptocurrencies, starting with Educoin)





We need a more sustainable total supply and I believe this a 100% PoS model would effectively provide that for the community. Due to the nature of PoS coins, (essentially 100% premine currencies), we could restructure the distribution strategy to allow for improvements such as:

Percentage Breakdown

50%      Evenly distributed to current Educoin holders

35%      Scholarship program directed at college students (redeem by signing up with college email ".edu" for verification)

10%      Funding for learning websites that reward students in Educoin. Incentivizes students to play learning games with a positive twist, a healthy conditioning of learning = reward
            which is beneficial for the young minds of our nations solving problems
            For reference, this should be enough proof of concept for most:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-01-27-grades_N.htm?csp=usat.me

2%    Donation for development work/coding (devs involved in harvesting)

3%    Bonus coins for Multipool to boost payouts for Educoin supporters

1%    Bounty for 1st Multipool (Scrypt/X11) for mining Educoin (providing healthy buy support)

.5%   Bounty for exchange involved in harvesting process

X%      Unclaimed balance. To deduce from 50% minted coins. For those who haven't switched during the swap period; we will keep that balance for 3 months (and those who are late would be able to claim their Educoin). After this period, unclaimed coins will be destroyed.


Approximate distribution figures:
Total Supply: 10.1 billion
- 5.05 billion (Minted edu)
- 3.53 billion (College Scholorship Program)
- 1.01 billion (Various Learning Websites)
- 200 million (Development work turning to PoS)
- 300 million (Bonus coins to promote mining in multipool)
- 100 million (1st Scrypt/X11 Multipool for EduCoin)
- 50 million   (Bounty for Exchange helping "harvesting" process)


Potential PoS Specifications:

- 15 sec block target
- Difficulty retarget each block
- PoS daily interest payout initially at 0.05% per day (equivalent to 22% annual interest rate), gradually dropping down to 0.01% per day (equivalent to 3.7% annual rate), the decrease will be over a period of 5 years (rate adjusted every 3 months). Then it will remain at this rate.
- Minimum holding time before the PoS will be generated: 1 day
- Max accumulated coin-day: 100 days





If you check out Distroblitz, they are a example of the following process that I feel would be an excellent choice for educoin:

They took the unstable Blitzcoin network, and through a "harvesting" process on bittrex, they converted Blitz to DistroBlitz at a 2:1 ratio.
With consideration of our total supply, I believe we should scale it down to a 20:1 ratio.

An individual merely needs to move their coins onto the exchange, bittrex disables the wallet temporarily and viola, moments later you have Educoin2.0 in your wallet at a 20:1 ratio.
hero member
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What will you gain when changing to X11 at this stage? There are a total of 110,000,000,000 coins and you're already at 70,000,000,000. Changing your algorithm will not help you in new miners, etc, as the block reward is already so low.

I would suggest:

1. Really try to get on bittrex.com or so, as you don't have any exchange where you can use your coins, ok, lets stated it differently any good exchange.

2. I would go for POS, just allow people to mine 1 or 2 weeks using POW, but with a big amount of coins that they can mine, else nobody will mine it. Move to POS with a nice yearly return.

You cannot remove any coins... that is the biggest problem here. I've a third idea.

Basically this coin is dying, why not launch a new coin with x% pre-mine. Let this coin die, BUT reward the people that has been mining for you since the beginning, so what you will ask is, that people deposit their EDU coins to your wallet, based on the number of coins they will receive a part of the pre-mine coin. Launch a new coin with a lot less coins!!!! Everything above 10,000,000,000 is way too much.

Just think about it. Have a good marketing team for your coin to market it, and don't be afraid to pay (or invest) for it.

I completely agree that we should turn Educoin 100% PoS. The network security is dangerous due to low hashrate. ESPECIALLY, with the impending 250-300mh asics on the horizon!


legendary
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Kaspa
Very interesting. Just a question, what makes educoin stand out besides its target audience?

target audience and the goal of making education available to everyone (or at least everyone who wants one)  to create some positive change in our world, the potential for the coin to bring so many young minds into the crypto world Smiley

PS Ron Paul is a great man, but I was really hope'n he would have ran for vice beside Dennis Kucinich Smiley they'd make a great team
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Very interesting. Just a question, what makes educoin stand out besides its target audience?
legendary
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/u/fonzerrellie awesome you brought /u/placebo over here!  /u/placebo, congratulations on the launch of Citizencoin, and welcome to EduCoin!

3. /u/placebo we'd like you to stick around and join us, so if a bounty interests you, please share your EDU address. We know you're busy with CTZ and appreciate your input. We can help you wherever you need help as well.
Yes, someone force me to come here  Grin

did you grab an edu wallet yet ?  got presents for ya Wink
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X11 is the BOMB

Couple this with POS and we have a winner
legendary
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/u/fonzerrellie awesome you brought /u/placebo over here!  /u/placebo, congratulations on the launch of Citizencoin, and welcome to EduCoin!

3. /u/placebo we'd like you to stick around and join us, so if a bounty interests you, please share your EDU address. We know you're busy with CTZ and appreciate your input. We can help you wherever you need help as well.
Yes, someone force me to come here  Grin
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Developer Update: Recruiting for the EduCoin Developers Group

We received a tip to start building out the EduCoin developers group by promoting a list of ideal positions. Please take a look at the list below, and if you are qualified please fill out the form. As always there are people who view the list but can't categorize themselves. Please feel free to make up your own position if you feel it could be useful for EDU. Looking forward to seeing your contribution!  People currently in school, working for one, or working in an education company/startup are especially welcome.

Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1VDtvtTIUqbHYRs_jfVBzLezgFcacwF4dOr4ZIiccNMg/viewform

Build Team
•   Coin development wizards (ex. X11/groestl)  
•   Math/Crypto/security experts
•   Skilled compilers for Win / Mac / Unix

Mobile Devs
•   iOS Dev squad
•   Android Dev squad

Web Devs
•   Wallet developer
•   Tipbot developer
•   Cowdfunding site developer (Educoin.tips similar to Dogeraiser.com)

Outreach
•   Reddit moderator(s)
•   Hackathons representative (currently Edumoto)
•   Educator representative  (currently Edumoto)

Development Fund for bounties
EDU: 6dEcuF3gBz4mebKVj96v4fau76AFHGYENn

Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1VDtvtTIUqbHYRs_jfVBzLezgFcacwF4dOr4ZIiccNMg/viewform

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/u/fonzerrellie awesome you brought /u/placebo over here!  /u/placebo, congratulations on the launch of Citizencoin, and welcome to EduCoin!

I see a long and productive partnership for both of our coin communities. It just makes sense!

In regards to:

1. Proof of Stake, the idea is an intriguing one that we can continue to talk about. However, as for our current growth stage (the next 2 weeks - 1 month) I think we need to just stick to POW (X11, groestl with Digishield managing difficulty).  What can we gain from X11 or groestl even with so few coins left to mine? I think getting to that algo would put us in a different light as far as the market attitude toward EDU. One limiting factor in our adoption strategy is the lack of desire by traders to "invest" in EDU. That in turn prevents exchanges from listing us and then it's turtles from there.

2. Total number: When we created EduCoin, 101 billion total coins came from Dogecoin's specifications. Our rationale (still today) is this allows us to work with whole number units during transactions. It's easier since most students (and adults) are not comfortable with units to the eighth decimal. I would much rather pay for school with 12345678 EDUs than 0.12345678 EDUs. The world education economy is approaching $6 trillion by 2017, I think there is plenty of room for 101 billion EDUs to generate an effective coin economy.  

3. /u/placebo we'd like you to stick around and join us, so if a bounty interests you, please share your EDU address. We know you're busy with CTZ and appreciate your input. We can help you wherever you need help as well.

4. We contacted Bittrex earlier, and were ignored. So let's not get our hopes up for Bittrex. We liked the fact that they are a US based exchange, since our adoption curve goes right through the US (mainly big states like TX, CA, and NY). However, we are not interested in seeing our community spend BTC to get listed there. Bittrex made their bet on UVC, and look at how that turned out.  We prefer CoinMKT over Bittrex.

Let's continue taking steps forward! Please add your input here or join us at Slack.

EDU aims to disrupt a century old education system that is better at making factory supervisors and managers than it is at producing creative critical thinkers.  In just a few weeks we have already achieved much more than other new cryptocoins as far as adoption. Students, teachers, non-profits, and startups actually have EDU and are thinking of ways to integrate them!  The next stage is for us to improve the technology, going (forking) from our Apple I to the Macintosh version of EduCoin, and then get some liquidity so we can actually start using the coins for education!


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I just put in a request at bittrex

I message bittrex richie on the irc as well! Hopefully he is willing to add us, it will definitely help to provide more liquidity for educoin. The donations from our great community will have more meaningful value as well.  Smiley
legendary
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Kaspa
I just put in a request at bittrex
legendary
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Kaspa
What will you gain when changing to X11 at this stage? There are a total of 110,000,000,000 coins and you're already at 70,000,000,000. Changing your algorithm will not help you in new miners, etc, as the block reward is already so low.

I would suggest:

1. Really try to get on bittrex.com or so, as you don't have any exchange where you can use your coins, ok, lets stated it differently any good exchange.

2. I would go for POS, just allow people to mine 1 or 2 weeks using POW, but with a big amount of coins that they can mine, else nobody will mine it. Move to POS with a nice yearly return.

You cannot remove any coins... that is the biggest problem here. I've a third idea.

Basically this coin is dying, why not launch a new coin with x% pre-mine. Let this coin die, BUT reward the people that has been mining for you since the beginning, so what you will ask is, that people deposit their EDU coins to your wallet, based on the number of coins they will receive a part of the pre-mine coin. Launch a new coin with a lot less coins!!!! Everything above 10,000,000,000 is way too much.

Just think about it. Have a good marketing team for your coin to market it, and don't be afraid to pay (or invest) for it.

Good Idea's, I have really liked the idea of Edu being a pos for awhile now... 70 or 75 bill POW coins then the rest from a decently high POS rate like 15-30% would be cool, although I don't know anyone doing 50% yet (just look at the attention 100% got for AC before the premine BS)

lots of possibilities for EDU     EDU education for earths citizens Wink
legendary
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What will you gain when changing to X11 at this stage? There are a total of 110,000,000,000 coins and you're already at 70,000,000,000. Changing your algorithm will not help you in new miners, etc, as the block reward is already so low.

I would suggest:

1. Really try to get on bittrex.com or so, as you don't have any exchange where you can use your coins, ok, lets stated it differently any good exchange.

2. I would go for POS, just allow people to mine 1 or 2 weeks using POW, but with a big amount of coins that they can mine, else nobody will mine it. Move to POS with a nice yearly return.

You cannot remove any coins... that is the biggest problem here. I've a third idea.

Basically this coin is dying, why not launch a new coin with x% pre-mine. Let this coin die, BUT reward the people that has been mining for you since the beginning, so what you will ask is, that people deposit their EDU coins to your wallet, based on the number of coins they will receive a part of the pre-mine coin. Launch a new coin with a lot less coins!!!! Everything above 10,000,000,000 is way too much.

Just think about it. Have a good marketing team for your coin to market it, and don't be afraid to pay (or invest) for it.
legendary
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Kaspa
Great plans for a great coin, I talked to placebo and as I was kind of thinking with the realease of his new ctz yesterday he's going to be pretty busy... a few days ago we gave him a bounty to do some pr work for OC and has been a huge help, I'm not sure how much we paid him for his help but it probably wasn't too much.

I don't know how much bounty you had in mind to get someone to help with coding a new algorithm and updating the wallet... I think it would be a great idea and would try to help with some donations in the next little bit.
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Developer Update

Thanks for the really great comments everybody. I haven't seen this kind of serious and collaborative discussion before and I really appreciate it. Specifically to /u/Gambel, /u/Goattrading, /u/Don007, /u/whocares, /u/fonzerrellie and anyone else I missed thank you!  I see a potential team forming in this group and may I remind you that we have a developers chat at educoin.slack.com.  If you want to join the Slack, ask me for an invite and I'll add you right away.

/u/Cornelius and I, the two original devs from a team of three, are active and currently looking to take EduCoin to the next level.  We are looking for people and resources. For instance:

Development, technical
- Digishield is ready for compiling, however we need code review and compiling assistance due to our schedule and some software issues

- It looks like we are down to either the X11 or groestl algo to fork to in the near future and we would love to invite a developer who has already worked with either algo. /u/fonzerrellie is asking the Citizencoin dev /u/placebo if he wants to participate. It kind of makes sense, students and citizens being allies.


Adoption, user base
- If you are following @satoshiedumoto on twitter, you will know I am reaching out to teachers. We are about to launch a mini-project to create guidelines for other teachers who want to experiment with digital currency in the classroom. In the fall, I see more than a dozen schools testing out EduCoin as part of their computer science curriculum.

- We are currently in the middle of High School Capture the Flag, a first of its kind online security and cryptography competition for middle and high school students.  Just looking at their scoreboard (http://compete.hsctf.com/scoreboard) shows me that an impressive list of students have been visiting our main website from all over the US. The reason?  EduCoin is a major part of the prize money! If you are an HSCTF student reading this, WELCOME!  We want you guys and girls to join our team! Hacking Education is the ultimate hack!

Those of you who e-mailed me recently, I have read your comments and will be getting back to you individually.  

Have a nice week.

Kind regards,
Satoshi Edumoto
legendary
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Kaspa
less than 370 blocks left to go before the rewards halve Smiley

I'll see if placebo is interested, he's also really good at pr/marketing for coins
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@fonzerrellie: Thanks for your reply!  We need X11 experts to come visit our community here. Forking the algo is very important for the future of EduCoin and we want to do it right!
legendary
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Kaspa
answer to poll question - all of the above Wink

and for the X11 +1+1+1+1 I just started mining my first X11 coin today and it's sooo much less heat, not too mention 3x the hashrate on my 6950!! much more efficient
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About groestl, I read somewhere that it is also supported by NVIDIA whereas x11 is not.  So groestl researching we go.

X11 is already supported by Nvidia GPUs and also runs better on them (considerably better Mh/W ratio than AMD).

For more info look here :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-cudaminer-ccminer-cuda-based-mining-applications-windowslinuxmacosx-167229
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Average student can't buy expensive Scrypt ASIC miner to mine Educoin. But he is able to mine on his PC -> more coins on X11

right, students can mine with pc without investing any money on more hardware.


Adatrader and Youghoor

Good points.
Ok so down with X-11
Since the goal is to stay ahead of the game...

Edit:

I just read your post gambel ... more good points so i am back to up in the air on the Algo. But I do feel it is in the best interest of EDU to look for an option to scrypt... sooner then later.
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