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Topic: [ANN][FAIR] FairCoin - for a fair economy, featuring proof-of-cooperation - page 149. (Read 376721 times)

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The economist Silvio Gesell (Silvio Gkesel) in his book "Physics Class" argues that when the money does not circulate but hoarded the economy falters. On the contrary, when as many people as possible, in their hands to consume as much money as possible, the Economy -and consequently the society-have healthy growth and prosperity. So i have an idea of a type of money that always is moving.

The fairest coin possible it will be existed only online. 1 coin (or share) online and 0 coins offline. It would be a fair share of global wealth. A really democratic coin. For example:

There are 5 persons with 5 shares. 1 share=1000$. Total=5000$

Person A buys something from person B and pays 50$. So now A has 950$ and B has 1050$. Next time A and B are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/2= 2500$.
If 4 people are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/4= 1250$ etc...

Would it be possible to work?

I find it an interesting methodology, but there are some serious problems with an 'person' being in a state of 'online'.

One of the major arguments might be what the definition of 'online' means. When am I online? Most of the internets is asynchronus. Eventhough I'm writing this, bitcointalk doesn't know if I'm online or offline. I have a session, which expires after x time. But that's it.

Another interesting point is the definition of a Person. What is a person? We've seen this with the distribution of both FairCoin, EFL and NLG - it is really hard to stop people from abusing the system... You cannot define one person (and giving them a piece of the pie) without the interference of the governance. The most probable link to an (tax paying) individual is his or her social security number. So that means you cut out like what, half the population?



I don't know about the technical part. I'm not a computer scientist.

If you are interested in collaborate in a currency that circulte in the faircoop envoriment, therefore perhaps you could be interested in help
bulding faircredit, that is the currency designed to circulate in our plans ->   https://fair.coop/groups/faircoop-community/faircredit/forum/

Faircoin will be for saving and reference value and faircredit will be to spend and circulate   Wink

So, if I'm not wrong the Faircoins would be like the gold pattern and Faircredit would be like the bills based on that? With the enormous diference that the pattern would not be in the hands of bankers, but in the cooperativists'.
sr. member
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The economist Silvio Gesell (Silvio Gkesel) in his book "Physics Class" argues that when the money does not circulate but hoarded the economy falters. On the contrary, when as many people as possible, in their hands to consume as much money as possible, the Economy -and consequently the society-have healthy growth and prosperity. So i have an idea of a type of money that always is moving.

The fairest coin possible it will be existed only online. 1 coin (or share) online and 0 coins offline. It would be a fair share of global wealth. A really democratic coin. For example:

There are 5 persons with 5 shares. 1 share=1000$. Total=5000$

Person A buys something from person B and pays 50$. So now A has 950$ and B has 1050$. Next time A and B are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/2= 2500$.
If 4 people are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/4= 1250$ etc...

Would it be possible to work?

I find it an interesting methodology, but there are some serious problems with an 'person' being in a state of 'online'.

One of the major arguments might be what the definition of 'online' means. When am I online? Most of the internets is asynchronus. Eventhough I'm writing this, bitcointalk doesn't know if I'm online or offline. I have a session, which expires after x time. But that's it.

Another interesting point is the definition of a Person. What is a person? We've seen this with the distribution of both FairCoin, EFL and NLG - it is really hard to stop people from abusing the system... You cannot define one person (and giving them a piece of the pie) without the interference of the governance. The most probable link to an (tax paying) individual is his or her social security number. So that means you cut out like what, half the population?



I don't know about the technical part. I'm not a computer scientist.

 Roll Eyes
legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
The economist Silvio Gesell (Silvio Gkesel) in his book "Physics Class" argues that when the money does not circulate but hoarded the economy falters. On the contrary, when as many people as possible, in their hands to consume as much money as possible, the Economy -and consequently the society-have healthy growth and prosperity. So i have an idea of a type of money that always is moving.

The fairest coin possible it will be existed only online. 1 coin (or share) online and 0 coins offline. It would be a fair share of global wealth. A really democratic coin. For example:

There are 5 persons with 5 shares. 1 share=1000$. Total=5000$

Person A buys something from person B and pays 50$. So now A has 950$ and B has 1050$. Next time A and B are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/2= 2500$.
If 4 people are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/4= 1250$ etc...

Would it be possible to work?

I find it an interesting methodology, but there are some serious problems with an 'person' being in a state of 'online'.

One of the major arguments might be what the definition of 'online' means. When am I online? Most of the internets is asynchronus. Eventhough I'm writing this, bitcointalk doesn't know if I'm online or offline. I have a session, which expires after x time. But that's it.

Another interesting point is the definition of a Person. What is a person? We've seen this with the distribution of both FairCoin, EFL and NLG - it is really hard to stop people from abusing the system... You cannot define one person (and giving them a piece of the pie) without the interference of the governance. The most probable link to an (tax paying) individual is his or her social security number. So that means you cut out like what, half the population?



I don't know about the technical part. I'm not a computer scientist.

If you are interested in collaborate in a currency that circulte in the faircoop envoriment, therefore perhaps you could be interested in help
bulding faircredit, that is the currency designed to circulate in our plans ->   https://fair.coop/groups/faircoop-community/faircredit/forum/

Faircoin will be for saving and reference value and faircredit will be to spend and circulate   Wink
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1122
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Hello

Bittrex has create this new page:
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex

And i have sent what is required to their mail.

As a remember the boounty is still here:
https://blockchain.info/address/1KGzQzr8MxwPrqyJoTCCb2J1njP4EeBZpF

Any response from Bittrex yet regarding the email you've sent?
Hopefully we'll see some more fullfillment of the bounty once payday has passed haha.

There was a first response from bittrex yesterday
    
"I believe this is something we can do. I'm going to assign your ticket to Richie and he will be in touch when he get some time, we're a little back logged right now"

sound good  Smiley
newbie
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The economist Silvio Gesell (Silvio Gkesel) in his book "Physics Class" argues that when the money does not circulate but hoarded the economy falters. On the contrary, when as many people as possible, in their hands to consume as much money as possible, the Economy -and consequently the society-have healthy growth and prosperity. So i have an idea of a type of money that always is moving.

The fairest coin possible it will be existed only online. 1 coin (or share) online and 0 coins offline. It would be a fair share of global wealth. A really democratic coin. For example:

There are 5 persons with 5 shares. 1 share=1000$. Total=5000$

Person A buys something from person B and pays 50$. So now A has 950$ and B has 1050$. Next time A and B are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/2= 2500$.
If 4 people are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/4= 1250$ etc...

Would it be possible to work?

I find it an interesting methodology, but there are some serious problems with an 'person' being in a state of 'online'.

One of the major arguments might be what the definition of 'online' means. When am I online? Most of the internets is asynchronus. Eventhough I'm writing this, bitcointalk doesn't know if I'm online or offline. I have a session, which expires after x time. But that's it.

Another interesting point is the definition of a Person. What is a person? We've seen this with the distribution of both FairCoin, EFL and NLG - it is really hard to stop people from abusing the system... You cannot define one person (and giving them a piece of the pie) without the interference of the governance. The most probable link to an (tax paying) individual is his or her social security number. So that means you cut out like what, half the population?



I don't know about the technical part. I'm not a computer scientist.
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
Faircoin Development Team Member
The economist Silvio Gesell (Silvio Gkesel) in his book "Physics Class" argues that when the money does not circulate but hoarded the economy falters. On the contrary, when as many people as possible, in their hands to consume as much money as possible, the Economy -and consequently the society-have healthy growth and prosperity. So i have an idea of a type of money that always is moving.

The fairest coin possible it will be existed only online. 1 coin (or share) online and 0 coins offline. It would be a fair share of global wealth. A really democratic coin. For example:

There are 5 persons with 5 shares. 1 share=1000$. Total=5000$

Person A buys something from person B and pays 50$. So now A has 950$ and B has 1050$. Next time A and B are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/2= 2500$.
If 4 people are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/4= 1250$ etc...

Would it be possible to work?

I find it an interesting methodology, but there are some serious problems with an 'person' being in a state of 'online'.

One of the major arguments might be what the definition of 'online' means. When am I online? Most of the internets is asynchronus. Eventhough I'm writing this, bitcointalk doesn't know if I'm online or offline. I have a session, which expires after x time. But that's it.

Another interesting point is the definition of a Person. What is a person? We've seen this with the distribution of both FairCoin, EFL and NLG - it is really hard to stop people from abusing the system... You cannot define one person (and giving them a piece of the pie) without the interference of the governance. The most probable link to an (tax paying) individual is his or her social security number. So that means you cut out like what, half the population?

sr. member
Activity: 574
Merit: 250
Still having troubles with mintpal?

More having trouble with the trouble MintPal is having with the BTC wallet:
Quote
The following daemons are currently undergoing a rebuild / reindex. Withdrawals will be processed once complete.
BTC

I reinstalled the darn BTC wallet myself a few days ago when MintPal went OoOooOoO.
It has been syncing the blockchain for about two days now and I'm still a year in the past.

At some point this will be a problem where FairCoin (and any other Crypto) might have to worry about as well - a freakingly large unsyncable blockchain of d00m.
How do you guys handle this? Just download the complete blockchain from the interwebz?

I use Multibit.
https://multibit.org/

Lightweight , takes 5 min to sync from scratch.
sr. member
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Wow, just received my other outstanding balances from Mintpal.
Now I'm only praying to see my 37000 Faircoins again.
When I look at the balance page, there is still no sign of my FAIR's
Does anybody here have an update/ good news ?
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
Faircoin Development Team Member
Still having troubles with mintpal?

More having trouble with the trouble MintPal is having with the BTC wallet:
Quote
The following daemons are currently undergoing a rebuild / reindex. Withdrawals will be processed once complete.
BTC

I reinstalled the darn BTC wallet myself a few days ago when MintPal went OoOooOoO.
It has been syncing the blockchain for about two days now and I'm still a year in the past.

At some point this will be a problem where FairCoin (and any other Crypto) might have to worry about as well - a freakingly large unsyncable blockchain of d00m.
How do you guys handle this? Just download the complete blockchain from the interwebz?
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1000
Hello

Bittrex has create this new page:
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex

And i have sent what is required to their mail.

As a remember the boounty is still here:
https://blockchain.info/address/1KGzQzr8MxwPrqyJoTCCb2J1njP4EeBZpF

Any response from Bittrex yet regarding the email you've sent?
Hopefully we'll see some more fullfillment of the bounty once payday has passed haha.

In the meantime, there's vaultex Cheesy

Yeah! But someone ate all the buy orders Sad
Now there's a gap between 2599 and 100 satoshi Tongue
I wish I had my BTC from MintPal. Then atleast I could setup a nice buy wall again (always graving for more FairCoin... Cheesy)

Still having troubles with mintpal?
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
Faircoin Development Team Member
Hello

Bittrex has create this new page:
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex

And i have sent what is required to their mail.

As a remember the boounty is still here:
https://blockchain.info/address/1KGzQzr8MxwPrqyJoTCCb2J1njP4EeBZpF

Any response from Bittrex yet regarding the email you've sent?
Hopefully we'll see some more fullfillment of the bounty once payday has passed haha.

In the meantime, there's vaultex Cheesy

Yeah! But someone ate all the buy orders Sad
Now there's a gap between 2599 and 100 satoshi Tongue
I wish I had my BTC from MintPal. Then atleast I could setup a nice buy wall again (always graving for more FairCoin... Cheesy)
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
The economist Silvio Gesell (Silvio Gkesel) in his book "Physics Class" argues that when the money does not circulate but hoarded the economy falters. On the contrary, when as many people as possible, in their hands to consume as much money as possible, the Economy -and consequently the society-have healthy growth and prosperity. So i have an idea of a type of money that always is moving.

The fairest coin possible it will be existed only online. 1 coin (or share) online and 0 coins offline. It would be a fair share of global wealth. A really democratic coin. For example:

There are 5 persons with 5 shares. 1 share=1000$. Total=5000$

Person A buys something from person B and pays 50$. So now A has 950$ and B has 1050$. Next time A and B are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/2= 2500$.
If 4 people are online they ll have (950+1050+1000+1000+1000)/4= 1250$ etc...

Would it be possible to work?
sr. member
Activity: 574
Merit: 250
So .. i sent an email to Marc from Bittylicious.
https://bittylicious.com/
Bittylicious is a trusted site (i traded loads with them), you don't need BTC to buy other coins from Bittylicious, and they accept euros.
Let's hope he give us the chance of trading there.
The more emails he receives this days asking to add Faircoin the better.
But is not only about asking to add it, it is also to let him know that he will have enough sellers, he won't consider adding any coin without at least 5 sellers i think.
So if you guys go ahead and send them an email, please also mention that you have plenty of coins for sale.
Hope it goes well and we get a chance!


Well, that 'becomming a seller' part is a bit of a problem I think Smiley
See: https://bittylicious.com/help/index.php/Seller_Overview
To be a seller you need to have to integrate with your banking environment or be able to check every x hours.
Afaik automatic integration is only possible for business accounts.

I don't mind sending him an email, but I don't know what good it'll do w/o any sellers Smiley


Yeah i remember when i was selling there, but i had my emails on my phone, so every time i was hearing the phone beep i was checking my emails,and then checking my online banking until the money was thru, so i could send whatever coins the buyer was getting.
Not the best but it is 100percent secure.
And as they accept international transfers people that don't have bitcoins wouldn't need to buy them.
Is up to you guys, is just an option.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1000
Hello

Bittrex has create this new page:
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex

And i have sent what is required to their mail.

As a remember the boounty is still here:
https://blockchain.info/address/1KGzQzr8MxwPrqyJoTCCb2J1njP4EeBZpF

Any response from Bittrex yet regarding the email you've sent?
Hopefully we'll see some more fullfillment of the bounty once payday has passed haha.

In the meantime, there's vaultex Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
Faircoin Development Team Member
Hello

Bittrex has create this new page:
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex

And i have sent what is required to their mail.

As a remember the boounty is still here:
https://blockchain.info/address/1KGzQzr8MxwPrqyJoTCCb2J1njP4EeBZpF

Any response from Bittrex yet regarding the email you've sent?
Hopefully we'll see some more fullfillment of the bounty once payday has passed haha.
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
Faircoin Development Team Member
So .. i sent an email to Marc from Bittylicious.
https://bittylicious.com/
Bittylicious is a trusted site (i traded loads with them), you don't need BTC to buy other coins from Bittylicious, and they accept euros.
Let's hope he give us the chance of trading there.
The more emails he receives this days asking to add Faircoin the better.
But is not only about asking to add it, it is also to let him know that he will have enough sellers, he won't consider adding any coin without at least 5 sellers i think.
So if you guys go ahead and send them an email, please also mention that you have plenty of coins for sale.
Hope it goes well and we get a chance!


Well, that 'becomming a seller' part is a bit of a problem I think Smiley
See: https://bittylicious.com/help/index.php/Seller_Overview
To be a seller you need to have to integrate with your banking environment or be able to check every x hours.
Afaik automatic integration is only possible for business accounts.

I don't mind sending him an email, but I don't know what good it'll do w/o any sellers Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
Faircoin Development Team Member
Still no faircoin  Huh

Things are looking pretty serious.

The Syscoin devs started legal actions against Moolah due to 750 BTC theft.

https://twitter.com/syscoin

imho, he he did the right thing!

Readed up a little; it looks like they've used Moolah to set up an escrow fund to be used for presale. Why on earth would they do that? Atleast I now understand why they've choosen to make it that big of a media circus... I'd say a notice of default would do and start working on the procedure on the background. But since it's community money, you have to make a lot of noise...

On the other hand; thou shouldst know better before storing 750 BTC in an exchange w/o access to your private key...
legendary
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Still no faircoin  Huh

Things are looking pretty serious.

The Syscoin devs started legal actions against Moolah due to 750 BTC theft.

https://twitter.com/syscoin

imho, he he did the right thing!

I dont think so.

Mintpal is going step by step. Slow but advancing.
They have done the easy part (withdrawal of coinssithout special issues) and now have the more difficult part pending like failed bitcoin withdrawal
or faircoin new migration.   It have some logical...

And anyway a legal process is yet very, very more slow, that the time that thinhs are going. See Mtgox, legal process ongoig and nobody have seen their coins in 7 months.
Isntead, we will see our faircoins more probably the next days or weeks by how are the things going.



hero member
Activity: 1666
Merit: 565
Still no faircoin  Huh

Things are looking pretty serious.

The Syscoin devs started legal actions against Moolah due to 750 BTC theft.

https://twitter.com/syscoin

imho, he he did the right thing!
sr. member
Activity: 574
Merit: 250
Still no faircoin  Huh

Things are looking pretty serious.

The Syscoin devs started legal actions against Moolah due to 750 BTC theft.

https://twitter.com/syscoin
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