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Quote from: MintPal-Jay on March 22, 2014, 07:57:30 PM

Quote from: y3804 on March 22, 2014, 07:48:56 PM

Nope. That's not what he told me. He will remove the automated votes in the future, but the 80% is fixed in stone for the 3 coins he listed

Here is an excerpt (the very last part) of my conversation with Jay, dev of Mintpal:

(This conversation depicts the attitude of Jay who runs Mintpal. A greedy, unresponsive piece of shit)

http://i.imgur.com/VvgXDP0.png

And then I asked him for a refund of my donation

http://i.imgur.com/84NFHve.png

I agree I was somewhat agressive, but man, he didn't want to share any thought on the 80% number. Fixed in stone. He didn't want to give me a # of bot votes (which I personally approximate to be less than 10K, for sure). I couldn't get anything out of him

I had a feeling he might do this. Ladies and gentlemen, this is one of the users who admitted to using 119 accounts to vote systematically for Faircoin.

Since he has decided to selectively show parts of our IRC conversion, I've posted the full unedited version to pastebin linked below, which includes him admitting to it and later trying to bribe me with 2 BTC to add FAC back after much name calling. I have nothing to hide.
http://pastebin.com/3myAMFiL

Make of it what you will.

Sure, but why don't you sit down and write about the 80% arbitrary percentage? I want to know WHY you don't strip MY VOTES and leave the rest. I bot voted because your system ALLOWED for it. (i.e. Was easy to bot vote. absolutely no preventive checks but 1 transaction. lmao.) and now you punish an entire community for my actions. That, I fail to understand. so fuck you Jay

BTW the 2 BTC bribe was a fucking joke. I wouldnt ever give you 2BTC, Jay. I wanted to see if you would react to money making decisions

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Quote from: y3804 on March 22, 2014, 07:48:56 PM

Nope. That's not what he told me. He will remove the automated votes in the future, but the 80% is fixed in stone for the 3 coins he listed

Here is an excerpt (the very last part) of my conversation with Jay, dev of Mintpal:

(This conversation depicts the attitude of Jay who runs Mintpal. A greedy, unresponsive piece of shit)

http://i.imgur.com/VvgXDP0.png

And then I asked him for a refund of my donation

http://i.imgur.com/84NFHve.png

I agree I was somewhat agressive, but man, he didn't want to share any thought on the 80% number. Fixed in stone. He didn't want to give me a # of bot votes (which I personally approximate to be less than 10K, for sure). I couldn't get anything out of him

I had a feeling he might do this. Ladies and gentlemen, this is one of the users who admitted to using 119 accounts to vote systematically for Faircoin.

Since he has decided to selectively show parts of our IRC conversion, I've posted the full unedited version to pastebin linked below, which includes him admitting to it and later trying to bribe me with 2 BTC to add FAC back after much name calling. I have nothing to hide.
http://pastebin.com/3myAMFiL

Make of it what you will.

y3804

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Quote from: maranello1561 on March 22, 2014, 07:55:05 PM

Guys, do you know what this means? All you need to do now is bot the competition and mintpal will ban them... this is like taking candy from a baby

No. Now Mintpal has implemented bot detection which will remove the votes from the bots as they vote, so that strategy won't work. However, his 80% strip percentage is completely arbitrary. I asked how many bot accounts, he didn't want to answer, bot votes, didn't want to answer. He just applied the 80% to all three coins with absolutely no reasoning behind it

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Guys, do you know what this means? All you need to do now is bot the competition and mintpal will ban them... this is like taking candy from a baby

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Quote from: y3804 on March 22, 2014, 07:48:56 PM

Quote from: MinersUnion on March 22, 2014, 07:48:47 PM

Good news -

I just received a message from Jay through email saying "we can now remove the exact amounts found to be added by bots for all coins".

So I guess 80% is no more.
They will just remove the automated votes!

Nope. That's not what he told me. He will remove the automated votes in the future, but the 80% is fixed in stone for the 3 coins he listed

Here is an excerpt (the very last part) of my conversation with Jay, dev of Mintpal:

(This conversation depicts the attitude of Jay who runs Mintpal. A greedy, unresponsive piece of shit)

http://i.imgur.com/VvgXDP0.png

And then I asked him for a refund of my donation

http://i.imgur.com/84NFHve.png

I agree I was somewhat agressive, but man, he didn't want to share any thought on the 80% number. Fixed in stone. He didn't want to give me a # of bot votes (which I personally approximate to be less than 10K, for sure). I couldn't get anything out of him

This is what happen when you think too high of your self. He thinks because he fuckin own mintpal that he doesn't have to listen to any of his members. But he forgets that his members are the one making his site a good one.

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Quote from: MinersUnion on March 22, 2014, 07:48:47 PM

Good news -

I just received a message from Jay through email saying "we can now remove the exact amounts found to be added by bots for all coins".

So I guess 80% is no more.
They will just remove the automated votes!

Nope. That's not what he told me. He will remove the automated votes in the future, but the 80% is fixed in stone for FAC

Here is an excerpt (the very last part) of my conversation with Jay, dev of Mintpal:

(This conversation depicts the attitude of Jay who runs Mintpal. A greedy, unresponsive piece of shit)

http://i.imgur.com/VvgXDP0.png

And then I asked him for a refund of my donation

http://i.imgur.com/84NFHve.png

I agree I was somewhat agressive, but man, he didn't want to share any thought on the 80% number. Fixed in stone. He didn't want to give me a # of bot votes (which I personally approximate to be less than 10K, for sure). I couldn't get anything out of him

MinersUnion

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Good news -

I just received a message from Jay through email saying "we can now remove the exact amounts found to be added by bots for all coins".

So I guess 80% is no more.
They will just remove the automated votes!

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Quote from: hunterx on March 22, 2014, 07:08:30 PM

Quote from: y3804 on March 22, 2014, 05:45:58 PM

Here's what I am suggesting to the Mintpal devs;

Your security protocols need major improvements.

1. Why are you allowing registration with pro-spam email domains such as 10minutemail.com?
You should only allow domains which require comprehensive verification (i.e. referer, phone/text verification, e.g. Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo).

2. The one transaction requirement is BS. Please consider adding an account creation date requirement of at least two weeks.

3. Why are you allowing more than one account / IP address? I was able to register multiple accounts on a single network (I never tested the upper limit, but I assume you failed to implement a check). CloudFlare is not a smart bot detector

4. You should ban VPN/TOR nodes, (I see they AREN'T banned). I'm able to access my Mintpal account from TOR.

LASTLY, I would highly recommend stripping ONLY the bot votes (i.e not sent from a verified anti-spam domain, not a fixed IP location, etc.)

Destroying a coin's reputation for its bot voters is completely unacceptable.YOU failed to implement checks to ban bot voters. Don't shift the blame on the entire coin community.

If you fail to answer my concerns, I'll stop trading at Mintpal entirely.

You used disposable emails to create multiple accounts? For what? voting for Faircoin every hour while accessing Mintpal with TOR network. Stupid! You are one of those people who should be blame because you are destroying the coins reputation. Tsk tsk tsk Angry

I think you are missing the larger picture of his email. He is not stating that he used these types of emails to vote multiple times, but rather to test their security protocols. If you don't want your young children falling in the pool, you put up a fence to keep them out. Same basic logic applies here. You don't want bots voting, put up security controls to block them.

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Quote from: y3804 on March 22, 2014, 05:45:58 PM

Here's what I am suggesting to the Mintpal devs;

Your security protocols need major improvements.

1. Why are you allowing registration with pro-spam email domains such as 10minutemail.com?
You should only allow domains which require comprehensive verification (i.e. referer, phone/text verification, e.g. Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo).

2. The one transaction requirement is BS. Please consider adding an account creation date requirement of at least two weeks.

3. Why are you allowing more than one account / IP address? I was able to register multiple accounts on a single network (I never tested the upper limit, but I assume you failed to implement a check). CloudFlare is not a smart bot detector

4. You should ban VPN/TOR nodes, (I see they AREN'T banned). I'm able to access my Mintpal account from TOR.

LASTLY, I would highly recommend stripping ONLY the bot votes (i.e not sent from a verified anti-spam domain, not a fixed IP location, etc.)

Destroying a coin's reputation for its bot voters is completely unacceptable.YOU failed to implement checks to ban bot voters. Don't shift the blame on the entire coin community.

If you fail to answer my concerns, I'll stop trading at Mintpal entirely.

You used disposable emails to create multiple accounts? For what? voting for Faircoin every hour while accessing Mintpal with TOR network. Stupid! You are one of those people who should be blame because you are destroying the coins reputation. Tsk tsk tsk Angry

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Quote from: Sebastien256 on March 22, 2014, 06:37:19 PM

Quote from: vis on March 22, 2014, 06:28:36 PM

Quote from: vis on March 22, 2014, 06:27:06 PM

I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

which basically means maybe some asshole created bots that are just enough to cause the coin to be accused of botting
because we really can do without those 4200 votes

ouch, noway it is justify to remove 80% vote!

If this pisses you off, use my message from the previous page (or something similar) and let them know we want our organic, real work to stay intact. Go ahead and remove all bot votes, but don't punish us for what could actually be an attack on FairCoin.

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so we all lost authentic votes too,stupid bots.i voted after every 1 hour for nothing Angry

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Quote from: vis on March 22, 2014, 06:28:36 PM

Quote from: vis on March 22, 2014, 06:27:06 PM

I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

which basically means maybe some asshole created bots that are just enough to cause the coin to be accused of botting
because we really can do without those 4200 votes

ouch, noway it is justify to remove 80% vote!

vis

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Quote from: vis on March 22, 2014, 06:27:06 PM

I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

which basically means maybe some asshole created bots that are just enough to cause the coin to be accused of botting
because we really can do without those 4200 votes

vis

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I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

MinersUnion

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Quote from: ?? on ??

I think you mean we do NOT condone bots.. lol

Sorry, meant to say "condemn". I'm a bit tired but trying my best for this community.

Fixed it. Please fix it in your own quote in case somebody actually uses that.

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Quote from: kcanup on March 22, 2014, 06:14:22 PM

I submitted your lines with as a reply of my Ticket, we can vote again by tomorrow after 24 hours ban.

Stupid fucking bots or may be a conspiracy to damage FAC's reputation Grin

Great! Here's an improved message over the previous one, now stating that if bots were used, we condone it entirely, and ask that only bot votes will be removed so not to hurt the great work done by this community.

Dear Mintpal team,

I don't understand how it is possible that you've removed Fair-Coin from the vote list. We are a very large and dedicated community acting together to get the coin into the exchange, voting legitimately every hour, with friends from all over the world.

Moreover, we have donated real BTC for our cause, so using bots that might hurt FAC in voting is strictly illogical. If your system allows abuse by bots, any coin can be targeted and punished. Somebody could write a bot and apply it to other coins to eliminate competition. Check out our community and you will learn we are all real people, and we have worked hard to push FAC up that list. Really, visit us and you will see.

We condemn bots entirely, and agree 100% that bot votes must be discarded - but not our own hard work. Throwing away 80% of the votes arbitrarily with no explanation is a dire insult to the dedicated MintPal users that voted day and night to promote our community's interest. These people are the backbone of your business and the true pioneers of crypto currency.

I will be suspending my MintPal activity for the near future until the organic effort of our community is preserved. As a MintPal customer, I am very disappointed and think you could have taken a better course of action. You still can.

Yours,
-your handle-

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Wait guys. I think we will be re-enabled way before the 24H limit. Wait for my word

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Quote from: MinersUnion on March 22, 2014, 06:07:27 PM

We condone using bots and hate it more than you do. We take FAC seriously and want it to have a great reputation. By all means discard every bot vote and ban those accounts forever.

But keep the legitimate votes! People here have been working hard on this. Throwing away 80% of the votes ARBITRARILY is outrageous! Let us keep the legitimate votes we worked hard to achieve.

For all we know another coin group might have used a bot on our coin just to get out of the list.
It's a great way to eliminate competition. And your system allows it. Don't punish us for it!

I submitted your lines with as a reply of my Ticket, we can vote again by tomorrow after 24 hours ban.

Stupid fucking bots or may be a conspiracy to damage FAC's reputation Grin

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Quote from: kcanup on March 22, 2014, 05:54:31 PM

Hi,

I understand your frustration, however there has 100% been bot activity providing the vast majority of the votes for the coin. For example - three users have created around 35 accounts between them, deposited a tiny amount of DGB and made a single trade, who each vote systematically 5x per hour 24hrs a day.

We will not being going back on the decision to suspend FAC for 24 hours. We will bring it back after this time period with 20% of the free votes in tact and keeping 100% of the BTC payment votes.

I'm afraid there was nothing we could do as other coins have been voting fairly, you should be directing your anger at the people who set up the bots and tried to cheat the system.

Regards,
Jay
MintPal

We condemn bots and hate them more than you do. We take FAC seriously and want it to have a great reputation. By all means discard every bot vote and ban those accounts forever.

But keep the legitimate votes! People here have been working hard on this. Throwing away 80% of the votes ARBITRARILY is outrageous! Let us keep the legitimate votes we worked hard to achieve.

For all we know another coin group might have used a bot on our coin just to get out of the list.
It's a great way to eliminate competition. And your system allows it. Don't punish us for it!

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I am wondering who are these three users? Roll Eyes

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