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January 30, 2018, 07:48:13 AM
At times the WP seems to be very general, and I want more specific. They want to cooperate with different software developers but do not give any precise info. To understand the whole system, I need more detailed info, because I do not get if it is just a future intention or a certain plan

Since a developers isn't hired yet, we are yet to see technical details in whitepaper.

Can agree, after read through the WP there are not much details about lots of the stuf they want to do. Give us more examples guys!

You can ask a question to the team if you have a specific question.

Is it just a software platform or you are manufacturing equipments like those japanese pulse analyser to measure health. Which I forgot the name will update when I do

There are no devices there. There will be a database of medical knowledge, a patient's medical history, available to any doctor and probably the most neural network for diagnosis, as well as remote diagnostics, probably based on some test with questions.

but how do you tie in the coin? Or any kind of trading? On one hand you have a lot of personal medical data and on the other hand....the coin? so you would sell your medical data and business are paying for it in EHF? I dont get the concept completley. Transferring the data over blockchain is a very good idea but how to get a financial system involved? That is something iam not getting from the wp in detail.

Tokens can pay for diagnostics and other services of this platform with a discount of 10% to 50%. In general, this is what is written in white paper about tokens:
EHF token holders could:
Use them as payment options and additionally receive 10-50% discount for buying any Services developed under the EHF Project (Personal Health, Biomed) and by the Project Partners (applications, software modules / services, healthcare services, insurance plans, participation in clinical trials, observational studies and patient support programs etc.).
Use them to participate in special health campaign, programs and check-ups, to get access to special healthcare expert community.
Use them to participate in the EHF Project development by voting (in proportion to the number of tokens).
Get an investment income in case of EHF token price growth (crypto-exchange operations, direct purchase-sale).
Exchange them for other cryptocurrencies (BTC, BCC, ETH etc.) on various cryptocurrency exchanges and for fiat currency (USD, EUR, JPU, CNY etc.), in countries, where such operations are legal.
Sell or buy them directly via compatible crypto wallets.


Are there any infos what the different services etc should cost?
And in your quote is written that you can pay for clinical trials ... in fact, shouldn't clinical trials be free? As it is not a reconized methode at this point? I don't know how normal clinical trials are handled, anyone any infos about this?
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January 30, 2018, 07:18:40 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

Doctors don't have the time to learn all the latest thing happening in the health sector. So it's reasonable to check with another doctor. The off course depend on the matter.

Doctors also often go with what is the most likely cause for your symptoms. That's not bad in general because statistics don't lie but there might be cases where a doctor overlooks something. You could then ask him about what eHealth says.

The more professionals you consult with, the better idea about your own health you have. Plus, eHealth platform will enable you to store your health information, so whichever doctor you consult online will see a lot of information about your previous health issues.


Can it be accessible by any doctor or just the ones using eHealth First platform?
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January 30, 2018, 07:12:56 AM
At times the WP seems to be very general, and I want more specific. They want to cooperate with different software developers but do not give any precise info. To understand the whole system, I need more detailed info, because I do not get if it is just a future intention or a certain plan

Since a developers isn't hired yet, we are yet to see technical details in whitepaper.

Can agree, after read through the WP there are not much details about lots of the stuf they want to do. Give us more examples guys!

You can ask a question to the team if you have a specific question.

Is it just a software platform or you are manufacturing equipments like those japanese pulse analyser to measure health. Which I forgot the name will update when I do

There are no devices there. There will be a database of medical knowledge, a patient's medical history, available to any doctor and probably the most neural network for diagnosis, as well as remote diagnostics, probably based on some test with questions.

but how do you tie in the coin? Or any kind of trading? On one hand you have a lot of personal medical data and on the other hand....the coin? so you would sell your medical data and business are paying for it in EHF? I dont get the concept completley. Transferring the data over blockchain is a very good idea but how to get a financial system involved? That is something iam not getting from the wp in detail.

Tokens can pay for diagnostics and other services of this platform with a discount of 10% to 50%. In general, this is what is written in white paper about tokens:
EHF token holders could:
Use them as payment options and additionally receive 10-50% discount for buying any Services developed under the EHF Project (Personal Health, Biomed) and by the Project Partners (applications, software modules / services, healthcare services, insurance plans, participation in clinical trials, observational studies and patient support programs etc.).
Use them to participate in special health campaign, programs and check-ups, to get access to special healthcare expert community.
Use them to participate in the EHF Project development by voting (in proportion to the number of tokens).
Get an investment income in case of EHF token price growth (crypto-exchange operations, direct purchase-sale).
Exchange them for other cryptocurrencies (BTC, BCC, ETH etc.) on various cryptocurrency exchanges and for fiat currency (USD, EUR, JPU, CNY etc.), in countries, where such operations are legal.
Sell or buy them directly via compatible crypto wallets.

Given this part of WPP, and Ehealth's potential, I would not be surprised if future partners bought their tokens for future work, they would make an excellent profit from services in the near future, I hope they will keep that in mind. The project is certainly already probed for this purpose
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January 30, 2018, 07:05:40 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
But you will not be forced to trust the platform, u can use them in parallel or the doctor will benefit from it as the platform will provide him better understanding how can provide you the proper cure with better results.

I agree with the above assessment . but in time people will realize that AI will probably do a better job than doctors.

Doctors are our main reference in the world of health.  Ehealth platform will exist as an alternative for us because the cost of the hospital always goes up. Here in my area, there are some health alternatives as well as hospitals, and most of it gets a pretty good response from the community.

What do you mean exactly with aternatives for doctors? Some kind of public clinic? I think its important to have a professional looking after what you have rather than just trust an AI based system

AI based system can work as an addition to already established healthcare system. It could be the first step to spreading AI technology to the healthcare area.

Beside the doctors wont have to trust blindly what th AI suggest, in most cases they would be able to get good insights or another point of view based on relevant data
Blind trusting systems like this is not endorced.. but this should be a great backup of knowlegde, shared by the project.
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January 30, 2018, 06:55:50 AM
At times the WP seems to be very general, and I want more specific. They want to cooperate with different software developers but do not give any precise info. To understand the whole system, I need more detailed info, because I do not get if it is just a future intention or a certain plan

Since a developers isn't hired yet, we are yet to see technical details in whitepaper.

Can agree, after read through the WP there are not much details about lots of the stuf they want to do. Give us more examples guys!

You can ask a question to the team if you have a specific question.

Is it just a software platform or you are manufacturing equipments like those japanese pulse analyser to measure health. Which I forgot the name will update when I do

There are no devices there. There will be a database of medical knowledge, a patient's medical history, available to any doctor and probably the most neural network for diagnosis, as well as remote diagnostics, probably based on some test with questions.

but how do you tie in the coin? Or any kind of trading? On one hand you have a lot of personal medical data and on the other hand....the coin? so you would sell your medical data and business are paying for it in EHF? I dont get the concept completley. Transferring the data over blockchain is a very good idea but how to get a financial system involved? That is something iam not getting from the wp in detail.

Tokens can pay for diagnostics and other services of this platform with a discount of 10% to 50%. In general, this is what is written in white paper about tokens:
EHF token holders could:
Use them as payment options and additionally receive 10-50% discount for buying any Services developed under the EHF Project (Personal Health, Biomed) and by the Project Partners (applications, software modules / services, healthcare services, insurance plans, participation in clinical trials, observational studies and patient support programs etc.).
Use them to participate in special health campaign, programs and check-ups, to get access to special healthcare expert community.
Use them to participate in the EHF Project development by voting (in proportion to the number of tokens).
Get an investment income in case of EHF token price growth (crypto-exchange operations, direct purchase-sale).
Exchange them for other cryptocurrencies (BTC, BCC, ETH etc.) on various cryptocurrency exchanges and for fiat currency (USD, EUR, JPU, CNY etc.), in countries, where such operations are legal.
Sell or buy them directly via compatible crypto wallets.
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January 30, 2018, 06:35:11 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
But you will not be forced to trust the platform, u can use them in parallel or the doctor will benefit from it as the platform will provide him better understanding how can provide you the proper cure with better results.

I agree with the above assessment . but in time people will realize that AI will probably do a better job than doctors.

Doctors are our main reference in the world of health.  Ehealth platform will exist as an alternative for us because the cost of the hospital always goes up. Here in my area, there are some health alternatives as well as hospitals, and most of it gets a pretty good response from the community.

What do you mean exactly with aternatives for doctors? Some kind of public clinic? I think its important to have a professional looking after what you have rather than just trust an AI based system

AI based system can work as an addition to already established healthcare system. It could be the first step to spreading AI technology to the healthcare area.

Beside the doctors wont have to trust blindly what th AI suggest, in most cases they would be able to get good insights or another point of view based on relevant data
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January 30, 2018, 06:12:18 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
But you will not be forced to trust the platform, u can use them in parallel or the doctor will benefit from it as the platform will provide him better understanding how can provide you the proper cure with better results.

I agree with the above assessment . but in time people will realize that AI will probably do a better job than doctors.

Doctors are our main reference in the world of health.  Ehealth platform will exist as an alternative for us because the cost of the hospital always goes up. Here in my area, there are some health alternatives as well as hospitals, and most of it gets a pretty good response from the community.

What do you mean exactly with aternatives for doctors? Some kind of public clinic? I think its important to have a professional looking after what you have rather than just trust an AI based system

AI based system can work as an addition to already established healthcare system. It could be the first step to spreading AI technology to the healthcare area.
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January 30, 2018, 06:05:26 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
But you will not be forced to trust the platform, u can use them in parallel or the doctor will benefit from it as the platform will provide him better understanding how can provide you the proper cure with better results.

I agree with the above assessment . but in time people will realize that AI will probably do a better job than doctors.

Doctors are our main reference in the world of health.  Ehealth platform will exist as an alternative for us because the cost of the hospital always goes up. Here in my area, there are some health alternatives as well as hospitals, and most of it gets a pretty good response from the community.

What do you mean exactly with aternatives for doctors? Some kind of public clinic? I think its important to have a professional looking after what you have rather than just trust an AI based system
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January 30, 2018, 05:45:46 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
But you will not be forced to trust the platform, u can use them in parallel or the doctor will benefit from it as the platform will provide him better understanding how can provide you the proper cure with better results.

I agree with the above assessment . but in time people will realize that AI will probably do a better job than doctors.

Doctors are our main reference in the world of health.  Ehealth platform will exist as an alternative for us because the cost of the hospital always goes up. Here in my area, there are some health alternatives as well as hospitals, and most of it gets a pretty good response from the community.
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January 30, 2018, 05:05:33 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

Doctors don't have the time to learn all the latest thing happening in the health sector. So it's reasonable to check with another doctor. The off course depend on the matter.

Doctors also often go with what is the most likely cause for your symptoms. That's not bad in general because statistics don't lie but there might be cases where a doctor overlooks something. You could then ask him about what eHealth says.

The more professionals you consult with, the better idea about your own health you have. Plus, eHealth platform will enable you to store your health information, so whichever doctor you consult online will see a lot of information about your previous health issues.
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January 30, 2018, 04:33:11 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

Doctors don't have the time to learn all the latest thing happening in the health sector. So it's reasonable to check with another doctor. The off course depend on the matter.

Doctors also often go with what is the most likely cause for your symptoms. That's not bad in general because statistics don't lie but there might be cases where a doctor overlooks something. You could then ask him about what eHealth says.
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January 30, 2018, 03:22:17 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

Doctors don't have the time to learn all the latest thing happening in the health sector. So it's reasonable to check with another doctor. The off course depend on the matter.
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January 30, 2018, 03:19:05 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
But you will not be forced to trust the platform, u can use them in parallel or the doctor will benefit from it as the platform will provide him better understanding how can provide you the proper cure with better results.

I agree with the above assessment . but in time people will realize that AI will probably do a better job than doctors.
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January 30, 2018, 03:04:16 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
But you will not be forced to trust the platform, u can use them in parallel or the doctor will benefit from it as the platform will provide him better understanding how can provide you the proper cure with better results.
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January 30, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.

imo this will take some time until people accept the fact that AI is more intelligent than a human being
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January 30, 2018, 01:58:29 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?

I guess that due to all the data that will be stored in the platform and the AI, it might be able to give you a more correct diagnosis then a doctor.
But to be sure I would always ask for a second opinion.
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January 30, 2018, 01:45:39 AM
My question however is, why would i trust the "second opinion" of an online professional over that of a doctor WHO ACTUALLY EXAMINED ME in person?
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January 30, 2018, 01:30:37 AM
I read a onepager in one of the upcoming ICOs, now i know we have a 300 paged whitepaper, brochures and presentations in ehealth, maybe a summerized whitepaper should be good for everyone:) 300 page is a lot for some of us.

Btw. I am ok with 5 eth. minimum cap on the private sale phase. Devs want to attract bigger investors so 5 eth is quite normal i think.

Actually, it is more than normal. I saw 80-100 eth minimum for even pre-sale.

So for private sale 5 eth minimum is not a high number even it is a very low number.

By the way, i think brochure can be used as a summary of the whitepaper.

but a project with a aim of 2025, i think big investors won't invest 80 or 100 eth for a idea.
I was thinking about a 30 paged whitepaper, brochure seemed shallow to me.
You are right maybe it would have been better for them to built an alpha of the platform in advance. This would create a lot more confidence.
You must understand that for the platform of such a plan, haste is a direct path into the abyss of failure. The platform should be configured to the smallest parts, otherwise it will result in the collapse.

Hi,
Completely agree.
Just a little remark.
EHF expects to start sales after 2 years from the Project launch. First Alpha (MVP) will be ready within about 1.5 years.
As we are talking about 2025 horizon, we mean the full-featured platform  Smiley
Also the Project has good financial indicators (NPV, IRR, net cash flow etc.).
Pls see the White Paper for the details here http://www.ehfirst.io/#wp.
Thank you! 👍


That is an interesting point, 1.5 years are not that much. Need to check back in the wp.
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January 30, 2018, 01:28:09 AM
I read a onepager in one of the upcoming ICOs, now i know we have a 300 paged whitepaper, brochures and presentations in ehealth, maybe a summerized whitepaper should be good for everyone:) 300 page is a lot for some of us.

Btw. I am ok with 5 eth. minimum cap on the private sale phase. Devs want to attract bigger investors so 5 eth is quite normal i think.

Actually, it is more than normal. I saw 80-100 eth minimum for even pre-sale.

So for private sale 5 eth minimum is not a high number even it is a very low number.

By the way, i think brochure can be used as a summary of the whitepaper.

but a project with a aim of 2025, i think big investors won't invest 80 or 100 eth for a idea.
I was thinking about a 30 paged whitepaper, brochure seemed shallow to me.
You are right maybe it would have been better for them to built an alpha of the platform in advance. This would create a lot more confidence.
You must understand that for the platform of such a plan, haste is a direct path into the abyss of failure. The platform should be configured to the smallest parts, otherwise it will result in the collapse.

what do you mean by haste, I assume when you say smallest parts, tech details in whitepaper ?
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January 30, 2018, 12:35:25 AM
I read a onepager in one of the upcoming ICOs, now i know we have a 300 paged whitepaper, brochures and presentations in ehealth, maybe a summerized whitepaper should be good for everyone:) 300 page is a lot for some of us.

Btw. I am ok with 5 eth. minimum cap on the private sale phase. Devs want to attract bigger investors so 5 eth is quite normal i think.

Actually, it is more than normal. I saw 80-100 eth minimum for even pre-sale.

So for private sale 5 eth minimum is not a high number even it is a very low number.

By the way, i think brochure can be used as a summary of the whitepaper.

but a project with a aim of 2025, i think big investors won't invest 80 or 100 eth for a idea.
I was thinking about a 30 paged whitepaper, brochure seemed shallow to me.
You are right maybe it would have been better for them to built an alpha of the platform in advance. This would create a lot more confidence.
You must understand that for the platform of such a plan, haste is a direct path into the abyss of failure. The platform should be configured to the smallest parts, otherwise it will result in the collapse.

Hi,
Completely agree.
Just a little remark.
EHF expects to start sales after 2 years from the Project launch. First Alpha (MVP) will be ready within about 1.5 years.
As we are talking about 2025 horizon, we mean the full-featured platform  Smiley
Also the Project has good financial indicators (NPV, IRR, net cash flow etc.).
Pls see the White Paper for the details here http://www.ehfirst.io/#wp.
Thank you! 👍
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