Topic: [ANN][ICO] Fire Lotto - International blockchain LOTTERY - page 10. (Read 13518 times)

I'm forced to repost the post of our colleague and kindly ask you, dear Fire Lotto team members, to answer the questions from that post.

I highly disagree with that statement. I am an investor from the pre-sale stage and I for one did not make all necessary checks because I was not savvy enough to know what to look for.

Now, I am a pissed off investor who is being accused of being a scammer who relies mostly on information from more educated members on this thread.

BTW, I sent you indisputable proof that I invested and you have never responded to that and continue to call me a scammer.

FUCK YOU TOMMY CASH!!

Yes sure... but somehow Mrs. Ronnee Ades responded me and here is the proof:



                        ANYONE CAN CONTACT HER ON TWITTER https://twitter.com/RonneeA  ANY COMMENTS ON THIS?

Have I bought any account? No. I just see you!
https://image.ibb.co/m4MyZn/Gorbal.png

In view of the increasing number of scamer attacks on the Firelotto.io project during the ICO period and the incoming threats including physical violence, none of the persons listed on the site responds to the requests of private individuals. Any manipulation and publication on their behalf is a fake. All necessary checks have already been carried out by early investors (more than 5000 people) at the pre-sale stage.

I am also waiting for this promised announcement.

HELLO ACCOUNT TRADER! Please do not avoid the questions about scam accusations with off topic and clueless posts.  

In English, please. I do not understand Russian.

Hello account seller! Dear community these all accounts belong for one person! Please click report as spam!Proofs on Russian:
https://image.ibb.co/jyFYZn/image.png

Dude, are you drunk, high, psycho? You are posting the same shit over and over. No single answer to scam accusations.

Scammers attack Fire Lotto ICO. Do not let scammers mislead you! https://hype.codes/scammers-invent-new-ways-attack-ico-projects.

http://image.ibb.co/jPAhQ7/r6bzvbal_mo.jpg

Another blatant lie from Fire Lotto scammers. Please provide a document or a link to the page, where is written, that Sec registered your ICO. Dude.. The best thing for you now, is to answer all questions and scam accusations mentioned in this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33180719 All this questions will be send to Ronnee Ades and the screenshot of her answer will be published here and she will make a tweet about it. After this, your scam will be finally and undeniably confirmed. just wait.

I don't understand how doubting something makes one a scammer.

Anyway, I have no need for understanding how the procedure works, nor care to spend anymore money than I already have.

Could you please post proof of these documents that were submitted by Fire Lotto? This is not asking too much, is it?

The SEC has no present rules that address cryptotokens specifically, only securities in general. Crypto-tokens that are securities must comply with the laws for traditional securities. The definition of a security is very broad, but does include (by recent clarification) practically all crytotokens that are not utility tokens that have immediate utility and whose value is not tied to the profits of a company or project.

ALL ICO's MUST BE REGISTERED AS PUBLIC OFFERING!

Registered Public Offering

A registering a public offering is what a company does before an Initial Public Offering (IPO). It involves Form S-1, and the creation of a prospectus.

The costs of producing the prospectus and registration materials, plus the ongoing reporting obligations, are so expensive, that practically no company executes a registered public offering without also “going public” on a secondary stock exchange such as the NYSE or NASDAQ. Otherwise, the costs greatly exceed the benefits (liquidity and access to capital that the major secondary stock markets provide).

The huge advantage of a token registering for public offering, is it allows the token to freely trade on U.S. secondary markets between ordinary U.S. investors. The implementation of doing trading via an exchange seems straight forward (deposit/withdraw tokens to/from brokerage account). No idea the implication of trading on unregistered exchanges (probably a bad idea), nor the implications of peer-to-peer trading.

The established legal procedure - is to INFORM SEC about token sales and placement of SAFT agreement. In order to notify SEC about token sales its necessary to submit foundation documents, financial report, SAFT agreement, fill out a special form and pass an interview in SEC. After that SEC denies or confirms that notification was done properly. We managed to receive a confirmation from SEC that our form and documents were accepted. SEC DOESNT regulate lottery activity or any unrelated things.

Its very funny how scamers try to doubt even this procedure that was done in a full correspondance with the law.
Scamers do not understand or intensively trying to avoid fact that SEC accepted Firelotto documents and notification.
If there was something wrong made the would have denied our notification.

If scamers need more info on how its should be done properly for their private needs they are free to contact our legal firm and receive a full clarification on prepaid grounds. Nobody will give them this information for FREE)))

Dear community. What you see here is one more attempt by the admin to remove the questions from the thread. There is no sense to ask the questions privately through email. We all are asking the same questions and so, why should the questions not be out in the open for everyone to see. It is my belief that questions sent by email will have no better results in being answered than they are here on this thread.

Let me remind you that I wrote support@firelotto almost a month ago and have never received a reply from them.

Here is link.
https://i.imgur.com/7Se5LPF

Please note that in my message to them I address the issue of scam activity on this thread. I state that I feel the admin is not capable as he puts investors names on the 'scam team member' list. I ask support what they intend to do about the situation. I ask them if they will put someone on the thread that can straighten all matters out. I clearly identify myself as an investor.

Support team @ Fire Lotto has never responded to my concerns.



In my limited knowledge, I can see that the prize fund is growing. I think I understand that of course, some sort of software is running. I dont understand what SEC is, nor do I see anything that better helps me understand it. I do understand the gaming license from Isle of Man, but have yet to see any proof that there was ever an application submitted.


I make no claims to fully understand what a token contract is. But, I do understand that only 5 transactions seem suspicious. This claim alone makes me wonder if there actually is a growing prize fund or if it is simply made to look that way in order to continue to lure investors.

I would like to see more proofs and transparency around the code. I can't read code but will trust the conclusions of those that can read it. I'll even take Ket-Gav's or Tommy Cash's word if they post the code on this thread and explain it to us.

In regards to the extortion letters from scammers who are demanding money. I expect the Fire Lotto Team, to not pay any money what so ever to any scammer. I expect, that given you have such a great lawyer on your team that you needn't give in to the scammers. As long as your project is above board, as you claim, then there is nothing for your project to worry about.

As for the so-called scammers on this thread; one of whom is myself, please note that I am not, nor ever have asked for money. It has never been my intention either to discredit the project.

To be honest, I am not sure why you seem so worried about the five or six members here who are asking questions. I know you see it as an attack, but really they are just questions which you have trouble answering. It would seem reasonable then that we take the questions elsewhere; does it not?

From what I gather, you have a strong member list on your Telegraph Chat. There, you can not ask questions as we do here, otherwise, you get kicked off.

So look at it this way. You have a bulletproof following over there which from what I understand is way larger and more positive than the people on this thread. As long as you maintain control on Telegraph, you shouldn't worry about the adverse effects that just a handful of investors have on the project.

If I thought I was welcome on Telegraph or that my messages to support would be acknowledged, then I might not have to be here in the situation I am.

I see nothing wrong with taking our questions to Ronnee. You should fear nothing from that as she is one of your advisers.

There is so much confusion going on here. The stuff you presented here seems to put them under pressure and as you said, even though if they did file some info to the SEC doesn't mean that it has already been reviewed and acknowledged.

Yes, I second that! Where is the big:

MONDAY STATEMENT THAT WILL RESOLVE EVERYTHING

?

Dear woman, if you want to gain the trust and respect of the bitcointalk community, please spend more time answering questions (the list with our questions is there for you to answer) and less time making strange claims about people who may be scamming you with FUD and looking for money.

All the questions we listed have been asked before and none of them have been answered in any kind of satisfactory way.

That, my dear FL team, is up to you!

A.M.

Hello everyone, I wish I have read this topic before I invested, but at least I will try to warn all other members of crypto community.

Do not invest in this ICO, because this project is a SCAM and in the text below I will prove you why. I will file a legal suit to the relevant court of law.

The company “Passado company Limited”, which the team presents as an operator of the Firelotto has nothing to do with the project – nor its director or its owners are among the team members, presented on the official Firelotto.io website. Here is the way how you can verify it by yourself.

This is a screenshot from the official Telegram channel of the project, where the team brags about being registered with the SEC:

https://imgur.com/a/fX6ia

All you need to do is take the first part of the “Accession number” and input it to the official SEC’s EDGAR database https://www.sec.gov/edgar.shtml. Here is the result:

https://imgur.com/a/lB592

As you can see, the director of the company is someone Ageev Eduard Viktorovich – you won’t find his name on the FireLotto website (they will now probably add it, so here is the saved version of their website from the 13th of March https://web.archive.org/web/20180313180326/https://firelotto.io/ ). Also take a look at the previous name of the company – “ORIENT TRANS COMPANY LIMITED”.
After googling for this name I found this guy’s profile in the Russian social network - https://ok.ru/profile/172067460095. I wonder if he knows at all that his company makes an ICO. In addition, I found his another company with almost the same name as the previous one at Passado, but registered in Russia (he is also a director there) – Orient Trans Group https://zachestnyibiznes.ru/company/ul/1082537004549_2537054212_OOO-OTG. If you look at their website http://www.ottg.ru/, they are just a company involved in international logistics and I highly doubt this guy knows anything about Firelotto ICO. Obviously, both companies were created for international trade and have nothing to do with the Firelotto ICO and their tokens.

To be sure, I also checked the Passado Co Ltd for its owners – you can do it for the additional payment on the official Hong Kong government website https://www.icris.cr.gov.hk/csci/. Here are the free results:

https://imgur.com/kEwXv9P

The company was registered on the 25th of April 2008 – long before the Bitcoin was even created. Here are the results from the paid inquiry:

https://imgur.com/a/gOgCM

As you can also check, mr Mikhail Matuznyi is not presented on the Firelotto website as part of the team.

I assume this to be a complete deception of potential Token Holders and already contacted my lawyer. I saved all the necessary information and in the next couple of days will file a legal suit against these guys to the SEC and other relevant court of law. In the meantime, I recommend all the team members to think twice before flooding this forum with false accusations, preventing the lawyers and other law enforcers from their direct duties.

I also ask all the community members to spread this info as much as possible throughout all the available media resources. #firelotto #scam #firelottoscam
Here is their English Telegram channel: https://t.me/firelotto
Russian: https://t.me/firelottery