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Topic: [ANN][ICO] Fire Lotto - International blockchain LOTTERY - page 14. (Read 13518 times)

jr. member
Activity: 99
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Just check out their token contract https://etherscan.io/address/0x049399a6b048d52971f7d122ae21a1532722285f Only 5 transactions... Your "Flots" in your Fire Lotto dashboard wallets are nothing but a unsalable virtual garbage!  They do not have a crowdsale contract and that means a manual distribution of ERC20 tokens to more than 5000 investors after ICO. (That number of investors could be fake too) But I doubt that this scammers will replace your "Flots" with real ERC20 tokens and will list them on any exchange. They will just run away with your money.  

They are lying about everything!!! How many people left on this forum believing Fire Lotto is not a scam? The answer is ZERO!

                                               THIS PROJECT IS A SCAM
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
If Firelotto turns out to be a scam this would really be a surprise given the effort done in the promotion, with the partecipation to so many international events. Usually scammers wouldn't make such efforts. But are their online lotteries already working or not? It looks like they are. Again, scammers wouldn't make the effort to deliver a working product ahead of their scam. But of course some of the problems raised seem to real. Couldn't it be that we are in front of a legit project which has been advertised in an irresponsible way, by the use of unnecessary lies? Just a thought of mine.

I absolutely agree.
Disagree, I have seen scammers use a MVP before and get away with it. I am now really confused as to whether this project is a scam or real, and for that reason will wait until it hits exchange (if ever does) to get FLOT. Not sure who would take a chance on this ICO now, especially after seeing such a thread with tons of alarming details.

Oh man, do you trust such posts? We have information that FLOTS(C)AM-fiaggin-atenolol-Gorbal is a ONE PERSON! he and a couple of his associates earn on posting such unsubstantiated content!

I am the original 'flaggin' that was put on their list of scammers. I am a member of this forum. You can verify this by member search. After I provided a screenshot to prove that I was an investor they changed my name to 'flagpole'. Now, they have once again changed it to 'fiaggin'.

Be aware that 'flagpole' and 'fiaggin' do not exist. These are not actual members of this forum. These are names that the admin makes up in his head in an attempt to have people believe there is this large group of scammers trying to discredit the project. The only thing that any of us have provided here on this forum is information we found that reinforces the ideal that this project is a scam. Not one of us has asked for money.
newbie
Activity: 308
Merit: 0
If Firelotto turns out to be a scam this would really be a surprise given the effort done in the promotion, with the partecipation to so many international events. Usually scammers wouldn't make such efforts. But are their online lotteries already working or not? It looks like they are. Again, scammers wouldn't make the effort to deliver a working product ahead of their scam. But of course some of the problems raised seem to real. Couldn't it be that we are in front of a legit project which has been advertised in an irresponsible way, by the use of unnecessary lies? Just a thought of mine.

I absolutely agree.
Disagree, I have seen scammers use a MVP before and get away with it. I am now really confused as to whether this project is a scam or real, and for that reason will wait until it hits exchange (if ever does) to get FLOT. Not sure who would take a chance on this ICO now, especially after seeing such a thread with tons of alarming details.

Oh man, do you trust such posts? We have information that FLOTS(C)AM-fiaggin-atenolol-Gorbal is a ONE PERSON! he and a couple of his associates earn on posting such unsubstantiated content!
newbie
Activity: 308
Merit: 0
If Firelotto turns out to be a scam this would really be a surprise given the effort done in the promotion, with the partecipation to so many international events. Usually scammers wouldn't make such efforts. But are their online lotteries already working or not? It looks like they are. Again, scammers wouldn't make the effort to deliver a working product ahead of their scam. But of course some of the problems raised seem to real. Couldn't it be that we are in front of a legit project which has been advertised in an irresponsible way, by the use of unnecessary lies? Just a thought of mine.

Fire Lotto is not a scam!
Scammers never start a project like our lottery platform, they just get money on pre-ico and go away! We have a working product, make PR and advertisements, add new partners and payment services to firelotto.com Here are few scammers like kruglikov, Gorbal, atenolol, fiaggin, Mosprognoz, FLOTS(C)AM they try to make blackPR for our project. One of them- FLOTS(C)AM, say that he is an investor with 1000$ investment  Cheesy Grin but he is not! We have information that FLOTS(C)AM-fiaggin-atenolol-Gorbal is a ONE PERSON! he and a couple of his associates earn on posting such unsubstantiated content!
full member
Activity: 303
Merit: 100
If Firelotto turns out to be a scam this would really be a surprise given the effort done in the promotion, with the partecipation to so many international events. Usually scammers wouldn't make such efforts. But are their online lotteries already working or not? It looks like they are. Again, scammers wouldn't make the effort to deliver a working product ahead of their scam. But of course some of the problems raised seem to real. Couldn't it be that we are in front of a legit project which has been advertised in an irresponsible way, by the use of unnecessary lies? Just a thought of mine.

I absolutely agree.
Disagree, I have seen scammers use a MVP before and get away with it. I am now really confused as to whether this project is a scam or real, and for that reason will wait until it hits exchange (if ever does) to get FLOT. Not sure who would take a chance on this ICO now, especially after seeing such a thread with tons of alarming details.
newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
If Firelotto turns out to be a scam this would really be a surprise given the effort done in the promotion, with the partecipation to so many international events. Usually scammers wouldn't make such efforts. But are their online lotteries already working or not? It looks like they are. Again, scammers wouldn't make the effort to deliver a working product ahead of their scam. But of course some of the problems raised seem to real. Couldn't it be that we are in front of a legit project which has been advertised in an irresponsible way, by the use of unnecessary lies? Just a thought of mine.

I absolutely agree.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
We're not getting answers from the admins (apart from "You're all scammers and out to get us!"), so we're being made to believe that it is indeed a scam.

They added you to their "Scammers List" too. (In Russian thread)  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32925401 I guess that by the end of this scammy ICO that scammers list will include all forum members who asked a single question about this scam ... Grin

I have always been polite, kind, clear and just want some answers. Being placed on their scam list for that is just ridiculous. This whole story about how they were being extorted by organized scammer is all just a big smoke screen to distract from what they are up to.

It's now abundantly clear that this team are the true con artists, the scammers, there's just no other scenario that would explain their actions.

It's all so dishonest, it makes me wish I had never heard of FireLotto.

For anyone reading this: Please do NOT invest in FireLotto, you're going to lose your investment just like the investors in CashPokerPro.

I never did join the Telegram chat as I heard so many investors were getting kicked off it anyway for asking questions. I did address my concerns to [email protected].

For some reason, I can no longer add images to this thread.

Here is link.

https://postimg.org/image/6zh2ib2sr/


I specifically addressed the issue of perceived scam activity on the thread and indicated that I, as an investor, was also listed to their 'Scam Team' list. I told them I felt the admin of thread was not doing a good job and asked if they were going to put somewhere there to straighten matters up.

I never got a response back and that was three weeks ago.

The more we call them out on their lies, the more absurd become the lies that follow.

I have all but waved my investment goodbye. But what bothers me more than possibly losing my money is feeling I can't do enough to convince other potential investors, to thoroughly read the thread from start to finish before considering to lay their money down.

I too feel I have no option left but to say that the FIRE LOTTO project is a SCAM.
jr. member
Activity: 67
Merit: 1
If Firelotto turns out to be a scam this would really be a surprise given the effort done in the promotion, with the partecipation to so many international events. Usually scammers wouldn't make such efforts. But are their online lotteries already working or not? It looks like they are. Again, scammers wouldn't make the effort to deliver a working product ahead of their scam. But of course some of the problems raised seem to real. Couldn't it be that we are in front of a legit project which has been advertised in an irresponsible way, by the use of unnecessary lies? Just a thought of mine.

I considered that a lot, and I really hope it to be true but I now think it's wishful thinking.

The effort done in promotion consists of going to gambling trade fairs, which is really not that expensive to organize and they've collected more than 3 million usd already, their goal is to keep the money coming in during the ICO. It seems typical for scam ICO's to have a really low soft cap (hurray, the project goes ahead!) and a really high hard cap, so you don't have to stop the project early on in case it catches on. The approach was also unusual that they had a private sale until 15 January, then one month public pre-sale, then a break of a month (why?), then the "real" ico from 15 March for a month. They seem to have stretched it out as much as they possibly could.

Nearly the whole team is the same as the one behind CashPokerPro, which was very similar in that it promised a very high price after ICO (the markets decide that price, not the ICO team) which was based on nothing. The price of CashPokerPro tanked after ICO and very little communication was done to investors, essentially the project was bled to death. When I did get a reaction from CashPokerPro on this, he said the project is still under development and that a product will be presented "soon". It's an easy defense that you can keep up forever.

There's just too many unanswered questions for it to be a legit ICO.

Just suppose they're genuine, why would you advertise it in an irresponsible way with the occasional lie thrown in. If you're the CEO of an ICO like that, would you not sit down with your team and simply address everyone's concerns? Take away doubt and double the amount of investments? Instead, they call people with criticism liars/scammers and don't address any questions/concerns. In fact, even good scammers would probably just address most of the questions/concerns in order to get more investments.

So the FireLotto team isn't just a bunch of scammers, they're a bunch of bad scammers. Coming up with a working product was an absolute stroke of genius though. They're just letting themselves down with the "customer service" team.
full member
Activity: 714
Merit: 117
If Firelotto turns out to be a scam this would really be a surprise given the effort done in the promotion, with the partecipation to so many international events. Usually scammers wouldn't make such efforts. But are their online lotteries already working or not? It looks like they are. Again, scammers wouldn't make the effort to deliver a working product ahead of their scam. But of course some of the problems raised seem to real. Couldn't it be that we are in front of a legit project which has been advertised in an irresponsible way, by the use of unnecessary lies? Just a thought of mine.
jr. member
Activity: 67
Merit: 1
We're not getting answers from the admins (apart from "You're all scammers and out to get us!"), so we're being made to believe that it is indeed a scam.

They added you to their "Scammers List" too. (In Russian thread)  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32925401 I guess that by the end of this scammy ICO that scammers list will include all forum members who asked a single question about this scam ... Grin

I have always been polite, kind, clear and just want some answers. Being placed on their scam list for that is just ridiculous. This whole story about how they were being extorted by organized scammer is all just a big smoke screen to distract from what they are up to.

It's now abundantly clear that this team are the true con artists, the scammers, there's just no other scenario that would explain their actions.

It's all so dishonest, it makes me wish I had never heard of FireLotto.

For anyone reading this: Please do NOT invest in FireLotto, you're going to lose your investment just like the investors in CashPokerPro.
jr. member
Activity: 99
Merit: 2
We're not getting answers from the admins (apart from "You're all scammers and out to get us!"), so we're being made to believe that it is indeed a scam.

They added you to their "Scammers List" too. (In Russian thread)  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32925401 I guess that by the end of this scammy ICO that scammers list will include all forum members who asked a single question about this scam ... Grin
jr. member
Activity: 67
Merit: 1
very useful information, is this project a scam? currently the firelotto ICO is running and reached the softcap and collected $3.668.290.

They do have a working product and they're going to a lot of trade shows, announced a few strategic partnerships and (appear to have) registered with SEC. Not sure how the SEC would feel about an ICO without KYC though...

They kicked a number of investors out of their Telegram chat for asking persistent (but necessary) questions, for example about some mistakes in the white paper (in roi calculations and unrealistic value claims for the token after ico etc.).

There appear to be at least two advisers who are listed on the FireLotto website that are not actually currently involved in the project (Ronnee Ades and Robert Matuk) but FireLotto keeps them on the site anyway, which is more than strange.

We're not getting answers from the admins (apart from "You're all scammers and out to get us!"), so we're being made to believe that it is indeed a scam.
member
Activity: 252
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Very useful information, is this project a scam?

Yet it is. Please check out this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32910055
full member
Activity: 840
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I did a member search on the accounts of 'Circles and flagpole' but there are no such members and also no member accounts existing for those people. Can you explain where these names came from, please?

They changed my name too. In the first "scammers list" I was kruglikov (my real nickname on this forum) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31609096 In "new scammers lists" I am mentioned as "Circles" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32916850 .... This ICO is shady as fuck and I am really sorry for investors who invested in this shit.

I'm wondering why we don't get FLOTs directly in our wallets for this ICO?..HuhHuh?

Just check out their token contract https://etherscan.io/address/0x049399a6b048d52971f7d122ae21a1532722285f Only 5 transactions... Your "Flots" in your Fire Lotto dashboard wallets are nothing but a unsalable virtual garbage!  They do not have a crowdsale contract and that means a manual distribution of ERC20 tokens tokens to more than 5000 investors after ICO. (That number of investors could be fake too) But I doubt that this scammers will replace your "Flots" with real ERC20 tokens and will list them on any exchange. They will just run away with your money.  

very useful information, is this project a scam? currently the firelotto ICO is running and reached the softcap and collected $3.668.290.
member
Activity: 252
Merit: 20
I did a member search on the accounts of 'Circles and flagpole' but there are no such members and also no member accounts existing for those people. Can you explain where these names came from, please?

They changed my name too. In the first "scammers list" I was kruglikov (my real nickname on this forum) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31609096 In "new scammers lists" I am mentioned as "Circles" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32916850 .... This ICO is shady as fuck and I am really sorry for investors who invested in this shit.

I'm wondering why we don't get FLOTs directly in our wallets for this ICO?..HuhHuh?

Just check out their token contract https://etherscan.io/address/0x049399a6b048d52971f7d122ae21a1532722285f Only 5 transactions... Your "Flots" in your Fire Lotto dashboard wallets are nothing but a unsalable virtual garbage!  They do not have a crowdsale contract and that means a manual distribution of ERC20 tokens to more than 5000 investors after ICO. (That number of investors could be fake too) But I doubt that this scammers will replace your "Flots" with real ERC20 tokens and will list them on any exchange. They will just run away with your money.  
jr. member
Activity: 67
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Your investors care about evidence, you don't give any and disregard anybody else's. If I had heard people lost money in a project with this many lies and this much deception I would really think they have only themselves to blame. Having a working product and going to all these trade shows is great window dressing, but you cannot answer the most basic questions without telling us lies.

Shame on you.

Btw, here's the evidence about the nicknames accused of scamming:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2579275.msg31655617;topicseen#msg31655617

Dear community, be careful these scammers want to get money from us.
They had black PR attack on other projects. Remember admins never write you first, if it happen please click report as spam.


Says the person with a minus 2 trust rating on Bitcointalk (Warning: Trade with extreme caution!). And by the way, just because you write in big letters doesn't make it true. I am not interested in illegal extortion practices, you don't know anything about me, really.

I am just an investor who isn't getting any answers from our beloved, friendly, kind and cooperative FireLotto team.

All I am asking is:
- Please provide evidence that Ronnee Ades is a current advisor to FireLotto.
(Either get her to confirm her current association with FL on Twitter, or simply apologize for the mistake and remove her from your list of advisors)
- Please provide evidence that Robert Matuk is a current advisor to FireLotto.
(Either get him to confirm his current association with FL, or simply apologize for the mistake and remove him from your list of advisors)
- Please provide evidence that an application has been made with the Isle of Man Gaming commission for a license

That's all, these are hardly the words of a scammer trying to extort money. Anyway, an attack on the person asking (hard) questions is the lowest form of defense. The easiest would just be to answer the questions and take the sting out of it.

But you are unable, unwilling or both.
newbie
Activity: 154
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newbie
Activity: 154
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Your investors care about evidence, you don't give any and disregard anybody else's. If I had heard people lost money in a project with this many lies and this much deception I would really think they have only themselves to blame. Having a working product and going to all these trade shows is great window dressing, but you cannot answer the most basic questions without telling us lies.

Shame on you.

Btw, here's the evidence about the nicknames accused of scamming:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2579275.msg31655617;topicseen#msg31655617

Dear community, be careful these scammers want to get money from us.
They had black PR attack on other projects. Remember admins never write you first, if it happen please click report as spam.
newbie
Activity: 154
Merit: 0
I'm wondering why we don't get FLOTs directly in our wallets for this ICO?..HuhHuh?

Hello. You have them frozen on your account at investor cabinet. After ico you can move them to your erc-20 wallet
newbie
Activity: 84
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I'm wondering why we don't get FLOTs directly in our wallets for this ICO?..HuhHuh?
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