Topic: [ANN][ICO] savedroid - BITCOIN SAVING MADE EASY! - page 70. (Read 55446 times)

The drama will continue into this thread maybe this another marketing strategy to keep this up and create more suspense and adventure with trick. Is there anybody has solution about their concern if they are not satisfied than they can sell their token and move forward to another project.

Just watched the AMA. Who didn't watch it, please do… it's worth it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41OuMFt_fMc

This guy clearly lives in a parallel-world in which he has a strong and very persistent ability to ignore his own lies and contradictions. He is able to say one thing and to contradict that just some sentences later, while he is not even aware. Actually he reminds me of Trump. It’s a different style of course, but the principle is similar and shows Conman-acting on a high level.

What is also interesting: He is not aware how naive it is what he says. Just one example: He was so surprised that pishing sites popped up. He must be not only new to Crypto but to the Internet! But yeah, please Savedroid, help to regulate this shady stuff away! Already an idea how to achieve that? ;-)

He talks about Savedroids role to make the market as a whole more sustainable and that would be in favor also for SVD-token-holder. I think he already showed how to achieve that using his own project as example how to trash trust and undermine the value of the own token. Yes, good approach! The Crypto-space will take him seriously and ask for advice!

He points on all the GREED in this market! That's bad, isn't it? It comes from a hypocrite who just raised about $50 mln by selling a token that is not necessary at all (besides exactly that purpose) using hype, buzzwords and a price-prediction-chart.  

They want to come up with a due-diligence checklist for ICO's to help Investors to come to an informed decision. Please, everybody with some experience in Crypto: Take a deeper look at Savedroid and imagine it’s about 1 week before ICO-start. I just can say for myself: My due-diligence-checklist would have ruled this hype-project out within 15 minutes. After their trash-all-trust-PR: 1 second.


More important for Savedroid-Investors - Clear lies and deception about refund, provided messages and more:


He gives a "no" to all who want to be refunded. Reason: The project hasn't changed. Interesting statement that reveals something quiet concerning but not surprising at all: He does not understand, or intentionally ignores, what the real value is about that backs everything else: Trust. But yes, that didn't change after all the headlines that Savedroid is a scam and after all the lies, deceptions and confusion...

He gives insights about the own escrow setup and he clearly says that it would NOT have been possible to steal those funds. But in his "And it's NOT gone-video" he said that he wanted to show, quote:

"(...) how easy it could've been that even we, as a highly regulated german stock corporation, could have just run away, then exit scam with all the funds (...)"

Isn't that a lie? Ah, let's not care about such details and talk about his lies or it would also be necessary to talk about the trust issue, right? Nothing to see here, nothing has changed.

He points on the message he pretended he has given and he does that again and again and still believes it to be good and that it will have positive impact. He also advices his viewers to check if a project that runs an ICO uses an escrow-services. Let's take a deeper look at the provided message and the given advice:


Action taken during ICO: Savedroid used an escrow.
Message: Savedroid is a safe Investment on that front

Action taken after ICO: The team faked an exit-scam
Message: Oh no, Yassir vanished to a beach in Egypt and took all the money. Damn, if that is true, not even escrows can be trusted anymore!

Action taken after PR-Stunt: He explains in his video that it was just a PR-Stunt but that he could easily have executed an exit scam with all the funds
Message: Did he just confirm that he really could have taken all the funds despite having an escrow? Damn, it’s true, not even escrows can be trusted anymore!

Action taken to explain the mess: Ama yesterday, saying that he would NOT have been able to steal the funds, explains his viewers the advantages of escrow-services
Message: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TEACHING HERE? ;-)


Some Facts about the real message Savedroid delivered:

Savedroid-is-a-Scam-message was delivered internationally, probably to millions who will continue to connect the words Savedroid and Scam and continue to believe that Savedroid is exactly that - question probably is if that is wrong under the line ;-)

Message that Savedroid has done an insane and irresponsible PR-Stunt on the back of all others was also delivered powerful

AMA yesterday was delivered to, in best case: a few thousands.

Result: Some believe "this" and others "that“, others already came up with own theories that are quiet often a damaging combinations of both, like "they tried it but got scared and backed off". The majority will just not care much more about this. Who does really believe that Savedroid will ever be taken seriously by any real professional in this space, or just guys like me who have a real „due-diligence-checklist“?


Something funny besides: On the german AMA he explains that he was surprised and that they didn’t expect that the Exit-Scam-Info would have international impact. He believed that would be limited more to Germany. Additionally he didn’t expect (and is deeply sorry about) that it had impact in the Fintech-Space.
But what the hell did he expect? Surprise, Crypto is international and surprise, Savedroid is a Fintech. But he believed he could place his trash-trust-PR focused on Germany and not international and everywhere in Germany but not in the Fintech-space? What did he smoke?

Funny as well: Especially big Investors liked his PR-Stunt... sure!



Exchanges:

A loooong explanation that some exchanges would want millions in USD to list SVD, that he doesn’t agree with that and doesn’t want to pay for such a listing. I tend to agree with him as well. But: Wouldn’t it be a good first step to a more sustainable market to make such exchanges public? Or is it maybe just not true?

Top5 exchange: Nothing to say about that… all under NDA.

That’s an interesting combination btw. I would not hope for a listing on a bigger exchange at all, because it might very well be that he is already preparing excuses.


 
Most important fact:

They have the millions and won't give any of that back, because: nothing has changed.

Let’s forget deception, contradiction, hypocrisy and proven lies. Why paying attention to such details when it’s about the better of the whole industry, less scams and a more sustainable market. Everybody should take Savedroid and it’s high standards of honesty and transparency as example, right?


Some words to Yassin: You have done a powerful job to give your company the scam-brand and it’s totally deserved. You also say that the situation is still too emotional and that you expect that to calm down over time. And yes, you’re right. Exactly that will happen and you’ll see: In a few weeks the public will just not care much about this project anymore. You already can see that dynamic. The media has thrown this project into the scam-or-dumb-section and that is what you asked for. Some will probably make some fun about you like I do, but attention will continue to decrease significantly - and with that a lot of potential. What will be left? My guess is: Damage to your Investors - that’s it.

To the rest of the team: I would make a bet that not all of you disagree with what I try to explain here, even if I do it in an insulting way to the company that pays your checks. But think about where that money came from and ask yourself just two questions:

1) Do you really believe it’s deserved?  
2) Do you also believe that a refund should not be given because nothing has changed? #trust?

just translating myself from the German thread


i finaly understood for myself what really happend. Savedroid got the mission from banks to do a massiv FUD in crypto sapce and they were very successful. they damaged crypto industries reputation and scared investors. now as i can see it clearly, i don't care anymore, and won't have another sleepless night because of these arrogant hipsters the playing game. maybe the banks push SVD like XRP, so my lost won't be that high, but to be honest, i really don't care, loosing money ist part of cryptos. And now i understand rule

https://altcoinspekulant.com/2016/11/15/36-regeln-fuer-die-kryptomaerkte/
to tell it understanable for Savedroid:
over and out.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, they have the right to refuse refund. Their Ico passed successfully and the refund occurs if the project has not collected its soft cap. But today 99% lie about their soft cap and makes fake status bars on the sites in order not to do the refund and try to either develop the project further with small capital or simply list their scam coin to the exchange and sell it all. It is Wild West without strictly regulations.

Got my tokens 4 hours ago 

as I said earlier, this hipster trick will have bad consequences ...

See, you accuse me to be manipulative, but just take a look at how you "quote" me. Of course you doesn't need to learn anything from me. Unlike to your favorite team I don't force anybody into anything. But just for the record, this is what I said about "lessons":

"I'll give you a simple lesson: Not just a given information is important, but also context and timing. Now let's take a look at their announcement: (...)"


Lesson 2: When it's about communication of a team it can tell you a lot if you pay attention on what they DON'T reply on.


If you are honest with yourself and just 1) think about what I've said there (actually that is pretty basic) and 2) if that is visible in this thread and pretty much everywhere Savedroid communicates and doesn't communicate and how they do it: It's possible to analyze a project pretty deep just with that approach.

What do you think about the AMA-sessions? Did he give the long awaited confirmation on the big exchange they claimed to have for SVD for example? Did he reply on the hard questions at all?

I didn't even have time to watch it. I clicked on it in the middle of the english session, but only for a few minutes because I had to leave. And no, I didn't ask any questions directly, but I had written down questions that I would have asked if I would be invested (and would have an Account on FB) here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.35429122

Maybe I'll watch it now, but I can't say that I expect more than a lot of nothing. ;-)

anyone watched German Q&A live in facebook? asked questions? is there anything fresh from the news?

@tempus you probably did not miss this opportunity, and pelted with questions devs?  

  good luck in the future you will be very lucky if you will make sometime in many years some profit 

 i have nothing to do with tempus. only newbies invest in this shit.. realy noone who is longer in crypto invest in this worthless tokens.
tell me. what is the reason why svd should rise in future? 50 million for a company that "save" your money LOL thats already so much overpriced.

all those 40 ppl who joined the ama got a 20 min monlog about the fantastic project, and know for sure now, that savedroid don't care about their investors nor customers and there will be no refund, they don't even see a reason why they should refund.

that's the sad truth.

I still believe and hope in Escrow, trust, responsibility and that even in cryptospace are honorable people with a good reputation...

i do not have a problem with loosing funds, that's part of cryptos, but if savedroid get throught with that behaivior they don't differ from other scammers, with bubbling something about standards and trust and protecting people. they show, that they don't even care about their own investors and do not take any responsibility of their PR fail.

A refunder is not a FUDer. Actually a refund will strengthen the trust in the project for those who remain and potential buyers.
 

Don`t tell me your useless lessons - and I will not tell you "where" you need to go

1) Yes, I only posted about Savedroid since last week and I was not active on this forum before for some time. But what does that mean? My history goes back to 2014 while your account was registered in march 2018. Couldn't I come up with similar theories about you, just the other way around? But see, I wouldn't even care if you are a paid shill or not but always focus on what you say instead on theories I couldn't ever prove (I wouldn't even see much sense in doing that).

2) My Nr. 1 Intention is not to be helpful. I came because I was a) curious about what this is about, b) angry, because I have zero respect or understanding for what they've done, c) fascinated by the psychological situation.

3) You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. And if you really believe what you say about me I consider that as wishful thinking. Questioning my intention gives you the freedom to ignore questions you maybe should have about this project and the team behind.



Let's not forget that the concerns and fear this community is trapped in was not caused by me or anybody else who is like me. Critique about this is effect, not cause. That's number 1.

2 is: I wouldn't be able to write the price down. May I have influence on some readers? Yes, but not that many because this thread is not that important. You can see that if you compare the numbers. Most Investors have never clicked on this topic, not even once.

3: Your theory would only make sense if I would have any measure where the price should be and that it would come back after a crash. Since this team has acted with more insanity than some scammers I've watched over the years I wouldn't want to risk that. I don't see much sense in playing games and taking risks like that.


Interesting point because it implies that I believe that. But I don't believe anything what came from them or at least nothing what was used to hype.

I'll give you a simple lesson: Not just a given information is important, but also context and timing. Now let's take a look at their announcement:

savedroid ICO: SVD Token will be traded on top 5 exchange
https://medium.com/@ico_8796/savedroid-ico-svd-token-will-be-traded-on-top-5-exchange-f45a453ca3ef

Given information: SVD will be on a top 5 exchange
Context: ICO
Timing: 4 days before end of ICO

And there is more context: They've hyped with everything what came to their mind. Conclusion: That is hype. It's not necessarily a lie but the risk is too high it could turn out as that, at least in my opinion. And I don't buy things like that because I don't trust hype. This is a high-risk-market with a lot of shady stuff and I see zero sense in buying into anything that just has a little shadow. I have learned what they pretended to teach long before they've joined this space.

Now there is, in case that info was not a lie, also another scenario: It's possible that this exchange called it off because they don't want to be associated with this project. Did you notice that I've asked that question but didn't get an answer? Do you believe I'm surprised that no answer was given?

Of course, they don't have any reason to like/respect me. But they could give the info to you and others, right?

Lesson 2: When it's about communication of a team it can tell you a lot if you pay attention on what they DON'T reply on.



The community will NOT solve any problems. Only the team could do that. A good start would be not to cause more damage and to give you and all others the deserved respect. In this case it would be a sign of fairness and respect to give those their money back who want that.

They were actually asking this also before the PR stunt.

i am very thankful for his support and bringing his experience in to show the truth. Savedroid now have another chance to show, that they care about their investors and their customers. who would give someone his savings without trust and that's the point, savedroid destroyed the trust, and not only for the moment, instead for a long time, at least for me they can't restore that lost trust, but they can show responsibility by offering a refund or build a buywall.

The latest pr stunt was too much in my opinion.

A lil bit more subtile would be nice, but it was too plumb this. Look at the Telegram group. People are still asking if it is scam or not day by day....

Considering that you made 29 posts of the same meaning. Since April 19, you are only doing this. As if trying to help the SaveDroid community - but at the same time you are simply doing FUD. I came to the conclusion that you are a real shiller.

Your combination looks like this:

You guide FUD on the community - you enter to the TOP5 exchange with high liquidity - you buy most of the SVD at the bottom - pamp the price - then sell - take a profit. Just Business

If the team did not announce the TOP5 exchange - you would not even have looked here.

Thank you for such help - the community will solve their problems without you

good points, but for savedroid.

Now they have the possibility (second chance) to take responsibility for their PR stunt and offer a refund for investors on goodwill (without any legal steps and ), which lost trust in them.

any news about this stupid ico ??

i don't get my token i don't get my refund and they say that you sell our info
http://c.up-00.com/2018/04/152457892630571.png

i have Referral  that buy more 20M svd just one recevied his token
 i think i will creat group and call lawyer to get my money back and get more money because you sell my info and more money because this stupide joke make me crazy