Topic: [ANN][ICO] savedroid - BITCOIN SAVING MADE EASY! - page 71. (Read 55436 times)

Another nice try, @Nice_Try ;-)

But let's try it with logic: Assumed your theories about me would be true and I would believe to have so much influence that I could write the price down (I'm not that arrogant!), using sock-puppet-accounts etc., having the intention to buy cheap: What would be the most effective way to address that since you wouldn't ever be able to prove my intention or that I use other accounts (which one would you consider as that?)?

What I try to say is simple: Whatever my intentions might be, no matter if shady or if I just express my opinion honestly, the most effective way to address that would be to rebut on topic in any case. You just try to compromise what I say with the attempt to make readers believe that I would want to buy cheap. And I don't believe that you believe that. Out of your perspective it may make some sense, because you try to place a message like "tempus actually believes that this project has such a great quality that he puts some effort into getting it cheap" , or even better: "tempus was sent by a competitor! How great Savedroid must be that others are so scared that they go on attack".

But: Isn't that much more manipulative than what I do? Let me explain why the answer is "yes": Because you try just that and nothing else. You don't show up with arguments in favor of the project. You just focus on the market situation because that is what scares you when you have to read critique like mine. You don't try to rebut what critiques say and you don't say why this would be worth an Investment or just to stick to it. I'm not even sure that you really get what I try to explain here. But it's you who tries manipulative games. I don't blame you. Actually I challenge you to do a better job (while your question should be why that should be your job - shouldn't they have communicators in place to have this and other platforms at least under some control?)

Another important point, which I've already explained: If I would want to buy into this cheap, I wouldn't write in favor of a refund. Again: A refund would be positive for all Investors, those who chose to get their money back and those who still believe in this project. It would reduce supply (only if burned of course), it would reduce the risk of dumping on exchanges. I can not say that and be against anyone who is invested in this. And the team should be able to start with $20 mln as well, or do you believe that's not enough?

Binance:

"Binance.com launched on July 14th, 11 days after its ICO which raised $15m, (...)"
https://www.reddit.com/r/binance/comments/6zukht/binancecom_stats_and_bnb_valuation/

Not because it wasn't wanted but because they didn't hype it up like mad. Same with NEO (formerly Antshares). Their crowdfunding was in summer 2016. They've also raised about $15 mln (at that time it was the most expensive ICO I ever bought into - and just btw, it even fell below ICO-price first and for about 6 months). Factom in 2015: Only about $1 mln. Or Icon last summer: about $30 mln. I consider all of these as legit projects with professional teams who didn't hype the shit out of it. But this one needs about $50 mln just to make it's first steps? And they claim that it would have been easy to steal that money and even let ppl think they would have done that, but when Investors ask for refund: "no... we have to stick on the rules. that would only have been possible until 14 days after ICO!"

But yeah, I'm the shady one here. Dream on, honey!  


Btw, I have some good news for you: This topic and my posts are unlikely to have much impact. Reason is this: "Read 15476 times" since it was created in December. The activity was probably on it's high during the ICO and now it's about less than 100 clicks per day and not even 50% by different people. No need to be scared. But yeah, I don't like the usecase, I don't like how they treat their own supporters/Investors, I don't like how they've hyped it and how greedy they prove to be, I don't like how they communicate (if they do that at all) etc.  And not a single satoshi of mine will ever be on the buyside if this hits the exchanges.

The only thing I agree on is education. But my approach is totally different of course. I prefer a much softer approach of respectfully communicating arguments instead of pushing others into desperation first to keep holding them in a stockholm-syndrome-situation afterwards. And while Savedroid asked for payment in advance to deliver their educational torture, my posts are for free!  


Herr, die Not ist groß!
Die ich rief, die Geister,
Werd ich nun nicht los.

But at the same time, it will be possible to buy tokens at a good price to anyone who could not do it on the token-sale.

     =))

Brilliant piece of job done to post the summary of person who is actually doing like this even there is nothing to get worried about this project. I also think they deserve for second chance now we let this and look forward to find the way but don't make the people panic by repeating same thing again and again. Be positive and do a responsible job for community.

Summary of texts of tempus and his multi-accounts:

" blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE...scam...refund...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam..."


Relax dude - you're not such a big whale.  So .... the bottom shark 

That is the most concerning about this project in my opinion, if true -  even without PR-Stunt. And it very well could be true, because if you think about the App and what it actually does: It's purpose is to help ppl to put money aside by simple rules. Let's say you connect your bank-account to the Savedroid-Account and you activate that a tiny amount is transacted from your bank-account to the savedroid-account whenever Trump makes a tweet or whenever you walk 1000 m or whenever you go to your Fitness-Club: It doesn't make much sense at all. In my opinion that are just annoying and useless gimmicks. Some might find it funny for 2 weeks but it's hard to believe that it attracts anybody over a long time. And, most important: It doesn't generate any money, just unnecessary transactions. What it generates though: User-data. Dependent on the rules a user choses, they will know a lot. Put that in context with the financial side and users become perfect targets for all kinds of shady stuff.


Now translate that into Crypto: It's not possible to connect a normal and external address in a way to the Savedroid account like it's possible with an external bank-account. The Crypto-assets need to be stored inside Savedroid and they'll have the private keys. A fully developed Savedroid would have total control and the user would be transparent like glass. And for what? I have no idea what the real value for the user would be. I mean, he would even have to pay for that... with the token, which is just a made-up-purpose, because (considered this would make any sense): Normal fees would be much more efficient. But they needed something to sell in an ICO, so they've created a token and tried best to promote it as purposeful and even valuable. They've even used a price-prediction-chart on their website.

If sane ppl with a bit experience in and knowledge about Crypto think about that:

- who wants to have his savings in an online environment he has no control about (experienced guys put everything on cold storage)?
- who wants Savedroid to have control over private keys, especially when it's about money somebody wants to put aside for later?
- who needs all the unnecessary transactions, let's say whenever he goes from home to the fitness-club?
- who wants the App to know the own location and other stuff
- is there anything to find here that is in favor of the user?

Really... the PR-Stunt is probably not even the worst about this project and in my opinion, it has no chance in Crypto, because it is a total contradiction of what Crypto is about in so many ways.

Now add the PR-Stunt on top of that: They let their Investors and Users believe that they ran with the money... what a great joke for guys who raised $50 mln with a promoted business-model of managing other ppl's money.

I really believed I would have seen everything in Crypto, but this is....... so damn..... new! #insanity ;-)

I also not in a hurry to make happy big players to take my hard earned with this tricks and stunt this got old fashion. Now investors are aware of this kind of campaign so that it is better to stay neutral and don't feed trolls.

I think that for today it's just unproven facts. I hope everything will be done in the best way.

Above have horrible facts about the future of this project but this is still very early to take any decision in panic. I would like to keep myself calm and will hold my tokens for long time until this issue will get resolved and they will find the direction to make this process smooth.

no damage    

https://paymentandbanking.com/aberkennung-des-preises-zum-fintech-des-jahres-fuer-savedroid/

Deutsch:

English:

https://www.gruenderszene.de/fintech/savedroid-staatsanwaltschaft-pr-marketing-werbung-ico-betrug HAHAHA no damage  

Deutsch:

English:

WTF? they got kicked from some office because they sell user datas and do not developing there product..

Still all exchanges on board that agreed to list you? If you think through this out of their perspective and after your PR-Stunt: It wouldn't be that surprising if they are unsure if they want to be associated with such a move.

Btw, there is the theory out there that it wasn't just a "Prank-Exit-Scam" but that you guys tried to execute it and backed off because you got scared and that the explanation and "making-of" a day later was just a cover up. I know that's not true, because you were not even able to move money. But your problem now is that none of the results are in your favor:

- some still believe it was an exit-scam (realized), because the first message (and it's gone, over and out) was more powerful than everything what came after
- some are informed and consider it as stupid and irresponsible
- some believe it was a failed scam, like said above
- near to zero positive feedback.


Another btw: What I thought about is how you guys pulled that off, how it was discussed and planned in your team before. I can't know it, but I think it's unlikely that everybody agreed and believed that to be a smart move. Assumed I'm right, there is something I additionally find irresponsible: Those who didn't agree and expressed their concerns were pushed in an impossible situation without any good option. Actually they only had the options to participate or to quit. Theoretically everybody could have stopped it by saying "If you really want to pull that off, I'll make it public before" (whistleblowing). And the paradox here is: In that case it wouldn't have happened and that would have been better for Savedroid. They would have rescued it. But: Because it wouldn't have happened they wouldn't have any proof to be right. Those who believed the "Hoax-strategy" would be a smart move could have seen that as betrayal, blaming the person who avoided the disaster.

If you think about that... creating such a situation of pressure and without any good option for those who actually disagreed is already irresponsible against the own people.

Of course there is also the scenario that everybody on your team believed it to be a great idea right away. But actually that would be the worst scenario.

Minting is ongoing and will be completed for most users this week. We're orchestrating the exchanges right now to have a common launch date, so it's more there call than ours. Btw that's also what most admins answer and they're definitely not stupid.

I don't think we should wait for bounty payments now. As I understand, there is problem that not all investors have gotten their tokens yet. Or am I wrong?

When i ask a question about when minting complete and when exchange, your stupid admin only answer no accurate date, they keep repeated this

so i want answer from you :

1, When Minting Complete ?
2, When Exchange ?

Please dont answer no accurate date, or maybe this will endless until doomsday ?

All of your telegram admin just a fake people with a fake profile picture.

I suspect that this is not a stupid joke. This is the smart move of the developer to buy coins of the project cheaper.
For the bounty, I did not get tokens.

They are unique but I think they are smart, well as for me I think I will be waiting for this token to be traded.
I would like to see how the people would react after a big exit scam joke the team have done, I am positive it will not create bad image to the
company as they explain it really well.

Will be interesting to watch. Some quotes that show the status quo:


we don't need answers, we just need refund

i did think i lost my money after your antics...😧 worried feeling all day, this is my last ico i will invest in.

Savedroid has destroyed its own reputation whether or not its an exit scam. I believe the majority of us would like a refund and it is crazy for them to lock tokens for 180 days but only give us a short period of 14 days to refund. Very unfair terms and I will be taking action under the Consumer Protection Act 2015. I have already asked my bank for a refund as Savedroid have acted both unprofessionally and in an incompetetive manner. I am still completely unsure if this was a failed exit scam or if they are buying time to take our money.
I spoke to Tobias (co founder) and he is extremely rude and unprofessional and he said he would send me a bill if I refunded (I mean seriously, what will you do with a bill from Germany??).

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I don't have a FB-Account and since I'm not invested I wouldn't ask questions anyway. But otherwise I would ask this:

• You said that you wanted to prove how easy it is to execute an exit scam and to steal all ICO-funds, your bank and lawyer were forced into statements that everything is safe and your CTO confirmed on the german section of Bitcointalk that it would not have been possible to steal the funds. What did you prove then?
• Whenever asked for refund, Savedroid-Admins on Telegram reply that a refund only would have been possible 14 days after ICO. Your (debunked) argument was that regulations are so lax that it would have been easy to get away with theft, but when it’s about giving money back to Investors the rules are so strong?
  
• In an interview with Gruenderszene you’ve claimed that the PR-stunt would not have negative impact on the future price of the token, otherwise the team wouldn’t have done it. How could you ever know that?
• When you planned that PR-stunt…
  …didn’t you think about a potential scenario that an overwhelmed and shocked Investor could have done harm to himself out of desperation?
  …didn’t you think about the scenario that your bank, lawyer, german fintechs, german blockchain association, advisors etc of you would be forced into distancing themselves from Savedroid?
  …didn’t you think about the potential scenario that the connection of words Savedroid and Scam would not be the best brand to move on?
  …didn’t you think about the scenario that you’ll not be able to control the communication and establish your narrative afterwards?
• The PR-Stunt has caused damage to the reputation of your project, what will you do to repair that?
  
• Have you lost any partnerships and/or advisors?
  
• You've used and deceived your Investors to promote Savedroid as ICO-advisory-service while that hasn’t anything to do with what you’ve promised to deliver and the sold tokens during the ICO. Don't you think that would be a reason to refund those who want out?
• Is it possible that there will be legal consequences?
  
• Is it possible that exchanges will reject to list SVD now?
  
• Do you believe that attention is equal to trust?
  
• In a german article is said that the Savedroid team was thrown out of an office in it’s early days because of „dubios and irresponsible behaviour“ and that you’ve tried to sell user-data. Is that true?
  https://kryptoszene.de/savedroid-status-update-alles-nur-ein-pr-stunt/

Edit: One guy just posted this article:

Savedroid CEO to be Grilled at Frankfurt BBQ
https://bitsonline.com/savedroid-ceo-grilled-frankfurt-bbq/

LMAO:

"As for Hankir’s promised appearance at the community BBQ, only time will tell whether that will be fulfilled. If not, it would appear the hoax was a hoax and he is possibly on that beach in Egypt. If he does make an appearance, he looks set for a roasting the likes of which he has probably never been subjected to. And deservedly so."
 

That's actually not true, the minting process is far beyond the 50%. You need to consider that two kind of people are not visible on the network yet:
- All creditcard payments which will be minted after 180 days
- All who decided to keep SVD at the savedroid wallet

And a third point, a majority of the trial minting people have also not set the mode to "mint all".

So, I don't have an exact number, but minting is almost completed.

Exactly that's the reason.

For tomorrow (Tuesday) we've announced our first AMA session after the PR-stunt. The English one starts at 5pm CET:

https://www.facebook.com/savedroid/videos/646462742360910/

Its a good question, bcoz as far I know even Monaco still don't have them, already a very long time.