Topic: [ANN][ICO] savedroid - BITCOIN SAVING MADE EASY! - page 68. (Read 55436 times)
Well, now I see, that team gived a lot of answears the intresting us questions. Guys, try to understand, I don't want to think that this project is a scam. But if I haven't enough information, I could have some doubts.
As from the AMA session, official communication is now "We're orchestrating currently all exchanges for a joined date planned to be beginning of May"
I will be here on till i get my token. I can not follow savedroid to the moon without my token. So please i need my token today. Please pass my message to your superiors or the guys in charge of minting.
I have intension to cancel staking and join campaigns, that is to say there will be need for that, since exchange is round the corner am I right?
So is project SCAM or not? still keep them but nourish little hope for the project, later everyone noticed....
We're also still answering all serious questions, if they haven't been answered already x-times or are simple FUD by the same repetitive people and Newbie-clones. There's also a 24/7 support at Telegram, so feel free to join us there as it's often better to have a realtime chat than one or two posts a day in a board.
I got banned on your channel for saying that your CEO is the biggest FUDer of all.
That is a straight up truth and I stand by it! Tell me ANY FUD that could have caused this much damage to your project? Therefor, your CEO is in fact the biggest FUDer even by definition of worst kind of fud, as in lies. When I was on your channel, you had a bot displaying message something like, "dont trust fake messages, fake emails...", isnt that what you as a company collectively did? You sent a fake message.
So, there is that about your accessibility on TG.
Other than that, no matter what fanbois say, anyone who is longer that 2 months in crypto, knows what @tempus said in his posts is correct. Will write here so I can say I told you so.
You will release tokens, people will sell them at a fraction of original price, no one will ever trust you (except few fanbois every project has), you can kiss your plans of "ICO advisory" goodbye since any project taking YOU seriously is doomed to fail, you will get nowhere with current project since it dont need tokens to work and it will fail even if you manage to get it to the end which I doubt and in the end, all of you who stayed with your beloved CEO after this stunt will bear that mark of working in a scam company.
Your only hope right now, is to hold those 50 million you got from people and dont let go!
So, what are recent new about this project? Didn't checked this thread for a while, that's why it is pretty hard for me to find recent information here. THanks!
@tobson2, thanks for the answers. I'll reply on your post a bit different. Your quotes in bold.
What could have been stolen in that moment is all the money which is not covered by an escrow, which is at least still enough for a CEO to survive for a long time. Besides that the escrow only holds the money until all tokens are minted, so it's more our call when we've finished it.
The problem is that you guys would have run into a contradiction that leads to confusion (and all kinds of other side-effects) in any case, which should have made you calling that off. What I mean is this:
Theoretical Scenario 1 - 100% in escrow:
You do your PR stunt and then you call for better ICO-standards (which include escrow of course). But at least part of your delivered message was, that you’ve even done an exit-scam despite having escrows. Since nothing was so powerful like the first message you’ve done damage to a security measure you try to preach now.
Theoretical Scenario 2 - 0% in escrow:
You do your PR-Stunt and what Yassir said would have been true (could have stolen all funds), and then call for high ICO-standards. In that case the contradiction would be that you have not met the high standards in your ICO you are demanding others to meet.
Executed Scenario:
What you did is a mixture of both. Some was in escrow, other money wasn’t (as far as I know it was especially FIAT that was not under escrow what would add another contradiction). That makes what he said in his video a) untrue (would have been easy to steal ALL funds) and b) it also contradicts the call for higher ICO-standards because obviously you have not totally met them yourself.
Most important is c) What you’ve left behind is just a lot of confusion and anger, also because you can not control how this case was and is reported and how it will be reported in future, how individuals interpret it and to what conclusions they come. You seem to expect mostly rational interpretation but that itself is not a rational expectation.
No that would not be fair, because the product plan is still valid, the token economics didn't change at all.
1) You’ve damaged your own reputation. One of the biggest issues here is that even the purpose and goal of your project is to manage other peoples money. You didn’t just undermine the trust of your Investors but also already existing and potentially future customers.
2) To promote your coming ICO-advisory-service you’ve used the imbalance of power between you and your Investors. That’s why I use the word „hostage“, because they couldn’t and still can’t do anything. And you do that while they didn’t buy this Savedroid-plan to become ICO-advisors. They’ve bought into what you’ve promised to develop.
3) ICO-Investors have to face all kinds of risks, buying into all kinds of scams for example. But also the risk that a team simply is not good enough to deliver in some or all ways. And of course: All teams, even the best ones, make mistakes. That’s natural. So, let’s call your stunt a mistake… but at least I can’t see it as natural because it was intentionally and targeted own Investors, Supporters and Clients and the whole usecase and targets the only fundamental value that backs all others: Trust
No I would not agree to that
You can see the „Savedroid is a scam headlines“, you can see „Savedroid has executed the most stupid PR-stunt ever“ whenever you google your own company. You can see comments of own Supporters and Investors on all social platform your project is represented, which clearly show that many have lost trust - but you don’t agree that a damage of trust and credibility is the case. I hope for you guys that you’re just dishonest.
The investors have bought the tokens, as already mentioned the token economics and the product roadmap didn't change at all. Buying a token is NOT buying the full savedroid company.
Of course not. But if the existing team would do advisory service: It is not what your Investors bought into. If you should finance this new advisory service with the money you’ve raised: The money wasn’t meant for that. Plus: The trust issue that was caused due to an egomaniac but still intentionally PR-show.
That's our hypotheses, noone can of course predict the future.
Yassir said in the interview (about the price risk because of the stunt): „I don’t see it that way, otherwise we wouldn’t have done it. It was a crucial criterium for that action.“. That implies that you guys were totally sure that it will have no negative impact on the price, because & obviously: You have done it. Now you say: Of course, no one can predict the future.
Don’t you recognize the contradiction? If you (and your team) would have come to the insight of unpredictability before the stunt - you wouldn’t have done it or what Yassir said was just a lie and you simply didn’t care. Both conclusions are not in your favor.
No we didn't expect that somone harms himself as that also didn't happen in previous real scams. We've investigated these scams a lot and checked what happened there. Besides that I hope that never anyone will invest so much money, that it's worse harming himself, neither for a scam, nor when a token-price drops which is not unlikely in this high-risk market.
Suicides because of fraud and huge financial losses happened, it's just not that easy to identify:
Financial Loss and Suicide
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3431736/
About MMM:
"This led to wide spread panic in the nation and even attempted suicides.[8] On December 14, LASEMA (Lagos State Emergency Management Agency) of Lagos State pleaded with Lagosians to dial their emergency number if they spot anyone trying to commit suicide. LASEMA took this action due to the number of suicides MMM caused in Russia[9]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_Global
Thing is: It would be irrational to assume that it didn’t happen just because you were not able to find articles about it. Those who have lost somebody because of such a situation have other problems than to run to the media to make it public.
It’s a simple thought: If you have >30k Investors you always have at least some who invested too much, in opposite to your „I hope that never anyone will invest so much money, that it's worse harming himself (…)“. More important: When it’s about thousands of people it’s stastitically safe to say that there will be some who may have psychological problems, like depression, are in all kinds of individual situations that may have additional effect.
That you guys took that risk, besides all others, leads me even more to the conclusion that you are not the right ones to teach anybody else about anything, because you didn’t think through the most important aspects and risks related to your stunt, or if, only superficially.
Of course some people will distanciate from us, especially the ones which have a motivation that the current status quo stays intact and no questions about that are asked.
That is a not very subtle accusation to critiques and I consider it as a cheap excuse and probably even self-deception. If you don’t get why Savedroid is roasted that hard you must still be in the egomaniac fish-bowl that made it possible to believe in your „genius“ plan and to perform it.
Let me tell you why many distances themselves: Because you’ve damaged the only real value which is trust/reliability/credibility.
Another thing you guys obviously never have thought about: A community is not only valuable as money-givers. They are the ones who would be your marketing-base, those who explain your project and it’s goals to others. No project, no matter which kind, can have success without what is called network-effect. Kill that and you kill your project. Now take a look at those who try to defend you. Not many are left and those who are can’t explain anything because nothing really makes sense to them. They are just kind of forgiving or too unexperienced to understand the problem or trapped in a stockholm-syndrome-status because their money is still locked and they hope for some kind of happy end (good price to get out). Take a look at your telegram-channel. You’ve successfully pushed the smarter minds out and what is left are „moon-kids“ (when exchange, which exchange, when moon, when lambo).
We're surprised be the feedback of the FinTech-community, as this PR-stunt was not related at all to FinTech and only a critic at the crypto-scene.
Yeah, what a surprise. You, as a Fintech company, were not able to hit the target more precisely. But you really don’t understand their critique? You want to be something like a Crypto-Fiat-bank, you raise money, you trash all trust… what the hell did you expect? Applause? (more a rhetorical question). They must be embarrassed because you have achieved one thing: International headlines. Now they are scared that may have impact on their credibility as well because they understand one thing: Trust is only partially a rational result but more about subtle and often unconsciously impressions. You know the value of the „made in Germany - brand“ - you use it yourself for the „ICO-advisory coming soon“. Just turn that into it’s opposite and you understand the problem and why they are mad.
Of course we think about the brand, but don't think it'll have a long-term impact and the content at the end will survive.
Ok. Good luck by deleting Google, Reddit, Bitcointalk, etc. Hard to believe that you’ll ever make equally powerful headlines in a positive way to heal that. And to believe that you’ll make a change when it’s about your new goals to make this space „more sustainable“… you really have to wake up and stop your self-hypnosis.
And just btw: It’s always said that Crypto is so plagued by all kinds of fraud and shadiness, and yes, that is true. But the impression also results out of the fact that Crypto is more transparent. Things become more and faster visible. There is no lack of fraud in the established system as well. Main difference is that established systems already have all kinds of mechanisms to keep things more hidden. Regulation can even be part of that, because it can be deceptive („it’s regulated, nothing to see here“)
The communication was definitely not ideal and has to be improved, totally agree on that.
See, everything what is expressed is communication under the line. That even includes „a lack of“ at the wrong time, because also that is interpreted. And communication is not just about „what“ but also about „how“ and intensity, context and timing and even if done near to perfect, there are unknowns because everything is interpreted subjectively by individuals. Your PR-Stunt was „high-intensity-communication“ on a very deep psychological level and included a lot of unintended aspects you didn’t even think about. Since that action you have to face all kinds of reactions you would have to analyze deeply to come to good conclusions. And that is simply not possible for you because you’ve caused psychological complexity you can’t fully understand. If you could, you wouldn’t have done it.
Experience will teach you guys more humility. That’s also why I believe you should refund those who would choose that option, because at the moment you make them pay for the lesson you need, while the lesson you’ve given was very simple:
Misuse an imbalance of power to push those who can’t even react but put trust in you into disillusionment and humiliate them and you get what you get - Isolation. Even supportive posts show that.
Think through it on a psychological level and always think it into extreme scenarios, which is a method to make it more obvious/recognizable. You’ll see that you’ve done nothing of value but the opposite: You’ve performed an attack on value. Psychologically that is like breaking a natural law and when it’s about human topics (which are relations under the line), psychology is natural law.
Not that I'm aware of
Surprising. I would have believed that many call their lawyers and that especially those who hold equity in your company might have some leverage to sue. But my knowledge about legal stuff is limited.
That's definitely not true and we're already in contact with our legal department about these false statements. savedroid has NEVER sold or tried to sell user-data!
Ok, good to know (if true). See, I’m nobody who wants to assume the worst in others. But even I always recognize, whatever I read of you or others of your team: Very hard to believe in anything. And I don’t even have a horse in this race.
What could have been stolen in that moment is all the money which is not covered by an escrow, which is at least still enough for a CEO to survive for a long time. Besides that the escrow only holds the money until all tokens are minted, so it's more our call when we've finished it.
The problem is that you guys would have run into a contradiction that leads to confusion (and all kinds of other side-effects) in any case, which should have made you calling that off. What I mean is this:
Theoretical Scenario 1 - 100% in escrow:
You do your PR stunt and then you call for better ICO-standards (which include escrow of course). But at least part of your delivered message was, that you’ve even done an exit-scam despite having escrows. Since nothing was so powerful like the first message you’ve done damage to a security measure you try to preach now.
Theoretical Scenario 2 - 0% in escrow:
You do your PR-Stunt and what Yassir said would have been true (could have stolen all funds), and then call for high ICO-standards. In that case the contradiction would be that you have not met the high standards in your ICO you are demanding others to meet.
Executed Scenario:
What you did is a mixture of both. Some was in escrow, other money wasn’t (as far as I know it was especially FIAT that was not under escrow what would add another contradiction). That makes what he said in his video a) untrue (would have been easy to steal ALL funds) and b) it also contradicts the call for higher ICO-standards because obviously you have not totally met them yourself.
Most important is c) What you’ve left behind is just a lot of confusion and anger, also because you can not control how this case was and is reported and how it will be reported in future, how individuals interpret it and to what conclusions they come. You seem to expect mostly rational interpretation but that itself is not a rational expectation.
No that would not be fair, because the product plan is still valid, the token economics didn't change at all.
1) You’ve damaged your own reputation. One of the biggest issues here is that even the purpose and goal of your project is to manage other peoples money. You didn’t just undermine the trust of your Investors but also already existing and potentially future customers.
2) To promote your coming ICO-advisory-service you’ve used the imbalance of power between you and your Investors. That’s why I use the word „hostage“, because they couldn’t and still can’t do anything. And you do that while they didn’t buy this Savedroid-plan to become ICO-advisors. They’ve bought into what you’ve promised to develop.
3) ICO-Investors have to face all kinds of risks, buying into all kinds of scams for example. But also the risk that a team simply is not good enough to deliver in some or all ways. And of course: All teams, even the best ones, make mistakes. That’s natural. So, let’s call your stunt a mistake… but at least I can’t see it as natural because it was intentionally and targeted own Investors, Supporters and Clients and the whole usecase and targets the only fundamental value that backs all others: Trust
No I would not agree to that
You can see the „Savedroid is a scam headlines“, you can see „Savedroid has executed the most stupid PR-stunt ever“ whenever you google your own company. You can see comments of own Supporters and Investors on all social platform your project is represented, which clearly show that many have lost trust - but you don’t agree that a damage of trust and credibility is the case. I hope for you guys that you’re just dishonest.
The investors have bought the tokens, as already mentioned the token economics and the product roadmap didn't change at all. Buying a token is NOT buying the full savedroid company.
Of course not. But if the existing team would do advisory service: It is not what your Investors bought into. If you should finance this new advisory service with the money you’ve raised: The money wasn’t meant for that. Plus: The trust issue that was caused due to an egomaniac but still intentionally PR-show.
That's our hypotheses, noone can of course predict the future.
Yassir said in the interview (about the price risk because of the stunt): „I don’t see it that way, otherwise we wouldn’t have done it. It was a crucial criterium for that action.“. That implies that you guys were totally sure that it will have no negative impact on the price, because & obviously: You have done it. Now you say: Of course, no one can predict the future.
Don’t you recognize the contradiction? If you (and your team) would have come to the insight of unpredictability before the stunt - you wouldn’t have done it or what Yassir said was just a lie and you simply didn’t care. Both conclusions are not in your favor.
No we didn't expect that somone harms himself as that also didn't happen in previous real scams. We've investigated these scams a lot and checked what happened there. Besides that I hope that never anyone will invest so much money, that it's worse harming himself, neither for a scam, nor when a token-price drops which is not unlikely in this high-risk market.
Suicides because of fraud and huge financial losses happened, it's just not that easy to identify:
Financial Loss and Suicide
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3431736/
About MMM:
"This led to wide spread panic in the nation and even attempted suicides.[8] On December 14, LASEMA (Lagos State Emergency Management Agency) of Lagos State pleaded with Lagosians to dial their emergency number if they spot anyone trying to commit suicide. LASEMA took this action due to the number of suicides MMM caused in Russia[9]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_Global
Thing is: It would be irrational to assume that it didn’t happen just because you were not able to find articles about it. Those who have lost somebody because of such a situation have other problems than to run to the media to make it public.
It’s a simple thought: If you have >30k Investors you always have at least some who invested too much, in opposite to your „I hope that never anyone will invest so much money, that it's worse harming himself (…)“. More important: When it’s about thousands of people it’s stastitically safe to say that there will be some who may have psychological problems, like depression, are in all kinds of individual situations that may have additional effect.
That you guys took that risk, besides all others, leads me even more to the conclusion that you are not the right ones to teach anybody else about anything, because you didn’t think through the most important aspects and risks related to your stunt, or if, only superficially.
Of course some people will distanciate from us, especially the ones which have a motivation that the current status quo stays intact and no questions about that are asked.
That is a not very subtle accusation to critiques and I consider it as a cheap excuse and probably even self-deception. If you don’t get why Savedroid is roasted that hard you must still be in the egomaniac fish-bowl that made it possible to believe in your „genius“ plan and to perform it.
Let me tell you why many distances themselves: Because you’ve damaged the only real value which is trust/reliability/credibility.
Another thing you guys obviously never have thought about: A community is not only valuable as money-givers. They are the ones who would be your marketing-base, those who explain your project and it’s goals to others. No project, no matter which kind, can have success without what is called network-effect. Kill that and you kill your project. Now take a look at those who try to defend you. Not many are left and those who are can’t explain anything because nothing really makes sense to them. They are just kind of forgiving or too unexperienced to understand the problem or trapped in a stockholm-syndrome-status because their money is still locked and they hope for some kind of happy end (good price to get out). Take a look at your telegram-channel. You’ve successfully pushed the smarter minds out and what is left are „moon-kids“ (when exchange, which exchange, when moon, when lambo).
We're surprised be the feedback of the FinTech-community, as this PR-stunt was not related at all to FinTech and only a critic at the crypto-scene.
Yeah, what a surprise. You, as a Fintech company, were not able to hit the target more precisely. But you really don’t understand their critique? You want to be something like a Crypto-Fiat-bank, you raise money, you trash all trust… what the hell did you expect? Applause? (more a rhetorical question). They must be embarrassed because you have achieved one thing: International headlines. Now they are scared that may have impact on their credibility as well because they understand one thing: Trust is only partially a rational result but more about subtle and often unconsciously impressions. You know the value of the „made in Germany - brand“ - you use it yourself for the „ICO-advisory coming soon“. Just turn that into it’s opposite and you understand the problem and why they are mad.
Of course we think about the brand, but don't think it'll have a long-term impact and the content at the end will survive.
Ok. Good luck by deleting Google, Reddit, Bitcointalk, etc. Hard to believe that you’ll ever make equally powerful headlines in a positive way to heal that. And to believe that you’ll make a change when it’s about your new goals to make this space „more sustainable“… you really have to wake up and stop your self-hypnosis.
And just btw: It’s always said that Crypto is so plagued by all kinds of fraud and shadiness, and yes, that is true. But the impression also results out of the fact that Crypto is more transparent. Things become more and faster visible. There is no lack of fraud in the established system as well. Main difference is that established systems already have all kinds of mechanisms to keep things more hidden. Regulation can even be part of that, because it can be deceptive („it’s regulated, nothing to see here“)
The communication was definitely not ideal and has to be improved, totally agree on that.
See, everything what is expressed is communication under the line. That even includes „a lack of“ at the wrong time, because also that is interpreted. And communication is not just about „what“ but also about „how“ and intensity, context and timing and even if done near to perfect, there are unknowns because everything is interpreted subjectively by individuals. Your PR-Stunt was „high-intensity-communication“ on a very deep psychological level and included a lot of unintended aspects you didn’t even think about. Since that action you have to face all kinds of reactions you would have to analyze deeply to come to good conclusions. And that is simply not possible for you because you’ve caused psychological complexity you can’t fully understand. If you could, you wouldn’t have done it.
Experience will teach you guys more humility. That’s also why I believe you should refund those who would choose that option, because at the moment you make them pay for the lesson you need, while the lesson you’ve given was very simple:
Misuse an imbalance of power to push those who can’t even react but put trust in you into disillusionment and humiliate them and you get what you get - Isolation. Even supportive posts show that.
Think through it on a psychological level and always think it into extreme scenarios, which is a method to make it more obvious/recognizable. You’ll see that you’ve done nothing of value but the opposite: You’ve performed an attack on value. Psychologically that is like breaking a natural law and when it’s about human topics (which are relations under the line), psychology is natural law.
Not that I'm aware of
Surprising. I would have believed that many call their lawyers and that especially those who hold equity in your company might have some leverage to sue. But my knowledge about legal stuff is limited.
That's definitely not true and we're already in contact with our legal department about these false statements. savedroid has NEVER sold or tried to sell user-data!
Ok, good to know (if true). See, I’m nobody who wants to assume the worst in others. But even I always recognize, whatever I read of you or others of your team: Very hard to believe in anything. And I don’t even have a horse in this race.
Let we know, when the distribution is finish and when will be adding at exchanges?
Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Distribution is happening right now, you can see the progress at https://etherscan.io/address/0xcd09958f02ef83e82a528875dac91beddffe10b1.Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Currently there's a lot of traffic on the Ether network, but I'm confident that we can finish all minting this week.
We're currently orchestrating all exchanges for a joined date, planned for beginning of May.
But what about the exact number of tokens which should be transferred for signature campaign participants? There still only stakes calculated in spreadsheet, without token amounts, or this is an old version of spreadsheet?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zQKALP1nqwaYAq2mLt59TDhm10-woRVeAiT5Xof6tZQ/edit#gid=1875234943
Thank you tobson2 for your answers above
I'm not sure but I understood that they need to know the final number of sold tokens (which means the KYC must be done by every investor). Then they can calculate the amount of each stake.
They should complete distribution sooner as possible because this will ease the situation. We should expect redistribution of tokens which is imminent as many people will make their entry while some will just leave. After all this small shuffle will have healthy and positive effects. That is the reason I urge for quick distribution to end this all what's going on.
Let we know, when the distribution is finish and when will be adding at exchanges?
Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Distribution is happening right now, you can see the progress at https://etherscan.io/address/0xcd09958f02ef83e82a528875dac91beddffe10b1.Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Currently there's a lot of traffic on the Ether network, but I'm confident that we can finish all minting this week.
We're currently orchestrating all exchanges for a joined date, planned for beginning of May.
But what about the exact number of tokens which should be transferred for signature campaign participants? There still only stakes calculated in spreadsheet, without token amounts, or this is an old version of spreadsheet?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zQKALP1nqwaYAq2mLt59TDhm10-woRVeAiT5Xof6tZQ/edit#gid=1875234943
Thank you tobson2 for your answers above
Let we know, when the distribution is finish and when will be adding at exchanges?
Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Distribution is happening right now, you can see the progress at https://etherscan.io/address/0xcd09958f02ef83e82a528875dac91beddffe10b1.Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Currently there's a lot of traffic on the Ether network, but I'm confident that we can finish all minting this week.
We're currently orchestrating all exchanges for a joined date, planned for beginning of May.
Well, as always there are more questions then answers in this project. Savedroid team looked like serious in the beginning of ICO. But now...
Please complete your sentence but now what what happened if keep feeding the trolls than they will continue to make panic us by spreading rumors. Actually is crypto is best strategy buy rumors and sell news it looking they will win this time because of some people who are still at same point till now.
Feel free to answer on the following questions - but I guess that's FUD or I'm one of the repetitive people?
- It was claimed, the team wanted to prove with the PR-Stunt how easy it is to execute an exit scam and to steal all ICO-funds, your bank and lawyer were forced into statements that everything is safe and now also your CEO confirmed that it would not have been possible to steal the funds. What did you prove then?
- Whenever asked for refund, the reply is that a refund only would have been possible until 14 days after ICO. Your (debunked) argument was that regulations are so lax that it would have been easy to get away with theft, but when it’s about giving money back to Investors the rules are so strong and wouldn't it be fair to do that?
- In the AMA was said that there will be no refund because the project didn't change. But wouldn't you agree that Trust and Credibility are crucial and that the "Savedroid is a scam headlines" and "Savedroid has done the most dumb PR Stunt ever" have done significant damage?
- And wouldn't you agree that the Investors and their Investment were used to promote something they have not bought - the "ICO-advisory-service" you plan to offer?
- Yassir said in an interview with Gruenderszene that the PR-stunt would not have negative impact on the future price of the token, otherwise the team wouldn’t have done it. How could he/you/the team ever know that?
- When you planned that PR-stunt…
…didn’t you think about a potential scenario that an overwhelmed and shocked Investor could have done harm to himself out of desperation?
…didn’t you think about the scenario that your bank, lawyer, german fintechs, german blockchain association, advisors etc of you would be forced into distancing themselves from Savedroid?
…didn’t you think about the potential scenario that the connection of words Savedroid and Scam would not be the best brand to move on?
…didn’t you think about the scenario that you’ll not be able to control the communication and establish your narrative afterwards? - Is it possible that there will be legal consequences for Savedroid?
- In a german article is said that the Savedroid team was thrown out of an office in it’s early days because of „dubios and irresponsible behaviour“ and that you’ve tried to sell user-data. Is that true?
https://kryptoszene.de/savedroid-status-update-alles-nur-ein-pr-stunt/
Edit: Since you mention the FUD-problem - let's not forget who started the biggest FUD-campaign I've ever seen, targeting the own Investors and credibility of the own project. Shouldn't be necessary to word this as a question...
- What could have been stolen in that moment is all the money which is not covered by an escrow, which is at least still enough for a CEO to survive for a long time. Besides that the escrow only holds the money until all tokens are minted, so it's more our call when we've finished it.
- No that would not be fair, because the product plan is still valid, the token economics didn't change at all.
- No I would not agree to that
- The investors have bought the tokens, as already mentioned the token economics and the product roadmap didn't change at all. Buying a token is NOT buying the full savedroid company.
- That's our hypotheses, noone can of course predict the future.
- No we didn't expect that somone harms himself as that also didn't happen in previous real scams. We've investigated these scams a lot and checked what happened there. Besides that I hope that never anyone will invest so much money, that it's worse harming himself, neither for a scam, nor when a token-price drops which is not unlikely in this high-risk market.
Of course some people will distanciate from us, especially the ones which have a motivation that the current status quo stays intact and no questions about that are asked. We're surprised be the feedback of the FinTech-community, as this PR-stunt was not related at all to FinTech and only a critic at the crypto-scene.
Of course we think about the brand, but don't think it'll have a long-term impact and the content at the end will survive.
The communication was definitely not ideal and has to be improved, totally agree on that. - Not that I'm aware of
- That's definitely not true and we're already in contact with our legal department about these false statements. savedroid has NEVER sold or tried to sell user-data!
Let we know, when the distribution is finish and when will be adding at exchanges?
Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Please giving the exact date when the distribution for bounty.
Well, as always there are more questions then answers in this project. Savedroid team looked like serious in the beginning of ICO. But now...
Please complete your sentence but now what what happened if keep feeding the trolls than they will continue to make panic us by spreading rumors. Actually is crypto is best strategy buy rumors and sell news it looking they will win this time because of some people who are still at same point till now.
Feel free to answer on the following questions - but I guess that's FUD or I'm one of the repetitive people?
- It was claimed, the team wanted to prove with the PR-Stunt how easy it is to execute an exit scam and to steal all ICO-funds, your bank and lawyer were forced into statements that everything is safe and now also your CEO confirmed that it would not have been possible to steal the funds. What did you prove then?
- Whenever asked for refund, the reply is that a refund only would have been possible until 14 days after ICO. Your (debunked) argument was that regulations are so lax that it would have been easy to get away with theft, but when it’s about giving money back to Investors the rules are so strong and wouldn't it be fair to do that?
- In the AMA was said that there will be no refund because the project didn't change. But wouldn't you agree that Trust and Credibility are crucial and that the "Savedroid is a scam headlines" and "Savedroid has done the most dumb PR Stunt ever" have done significant damage?
- And wouldn't you agree that the Investors and their Investment were used to promote something they have not bought - the "ICO-advisory-service" you plan to offer?
- Yassir said in an interview with Gruenderszene that the PR-stunt would not have negative impact on the future price of the token, otherwise the team wouldn’t have done it. How could he/you/the team ever know that?
- When you planned that PR-stunt…
…didn’t you think about a potential scenario that an overwhelmed and shocked Investor could have done harm to himself out of desperation?
…didn’t you think about the scenario that your bank, lawyer, german fintechs, german blockchain association, advisors etc of you would be forced into distancing themselves from Savedroid?
…didn’t you think about the potential scenario that the connection of words Savedroid and Scam would not be the best brand to move on?
…didn’t you think about the scenario that you’ll not be able to control the communication and establish your narrative afterwards? - Is it possible that there will be legal consequences for Savedroid?
- In a german article is said that the Savedroid team was thrown out of an office in it’s early days because of „dubios and irresponsible behaviour“ and that you’ve tried to sell user-data. Is that true?
https://kryptoszene.de/savedroid-status-update-alles-nur-ein-pr-stunt/
Edit: Since you mention the FUD-problem - let's not forget who started the biggest FUD-campaign I've ever seen, targeting the own Investors and credibility of the own project. Shouldn't be necessary to word this as a question...
Well, as always there are more questions then answers in this project. Savedroid team looked like serious in the beginning of ICO. But now...
Please complete your sentence but now what what happened if keep feeding the trolls than they will continue to make panic us by spreading rumors. Actually is crypto is best strategy buy rumors and sell news it looking they will win this time because of some people who are still at same point till now.
Well, as always there are more questions then answers in this project. Savedroid team looked like serious in the beginning of ICO. But now...
Please complete your sentence but now what what happened if keep feeding the trolls than they will continue to make panic us by spreading rumors. Actually is crypto is best strategy buy rumors and sell news it looking they will win this time because of some people who are still at same point till now.
Well, as always there are more questions then answers in this project. Savedroid team looked like serious in the beginning of ICO. But now...
This PR-Mega-Joke just damaged everything that SVD managed to build up until now.
I really believe that he could not have done it worse. It is a mockery towards investors and towards the project itself.
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