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Quote from: Anonylz on August 18, 2019, 09:15:36 AM

Quote from: wppenergy1 on August 18, 2019, 12:47:25 AM

WPP Energy has never stated to go for all 5 exchanges, Instead WPP Has stated a 5 Exchanges Approval, WPP is still determining which exchange will fit the best for WPP Token, and we will keep the community updated as well.

WPP Executive is currently in Brazil, and some surprises are Upcoming!

in overall the previous 2 weeks was a very productive one for WPP!

Engagement through evolving relationships and pending deals with some of the largest Energy Companies Globally. We cannot disclose yet any information due to strict confidentially agreements between the parties involved.

The progress made is very tangible and we are very excited about the latest developments.
We will keep the community updated and will be sharing details at the appropriate time.

Thanks for your support 🙂👌

Thank you for this very much needed piece of update, the unfortunate thing is many people misunderstood what the team has stated on their website, people are so very impatient and too eager to see results withing the shortest possible time, wpp team has already made it clear that they are concerned about project development than exchange listing for the time been, good job team.

Yeah! the reason why that is, is because majority of those making a comment here are bounty guys who don't posses such thing as being patient, 90% only knows short term gains, they judge a project by its current selling price and not by the achievement the project has made so far or what they intend to accomplish in long term, good thing is the team are very focus to the course and they don't pay attention to irrelevant winning.

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Quote from: wppenergy1 on August 18, 2019, 12:47:25 AM

WPP Energy has never stated to go for all 5 exchanges, Instead WPP Has stated a 5 Exchanges Approval, WPP is still determining which exchange will fit the best for WPP Token, and we will keep the community updated as well.

WPP Executive is currently in Brazil, and some surprises are Upcoming!

in overall the previous 2 weeks was a very productive one for WPP!

Engagement through evolving relationships and pending deals with some of the largest Energy Companies Globally. We cannot disclose yet any information due to strict confidentially agreements between the parties involved.

The progress made is very tangible and we are very excited about the latest developments.
We will keep the community updated and will be sharing details at the appropriate time.

Thanks for your support 🙂👌

Your effort is noticed with regular update and you have done enough to keep all news and social media active since the crowdfund was concluded but I believe we can still have more substantial information that could reveal better detail of recent developments. I sometimes like to ask if the market surge this year had brought more money on the table to carter for more on the roadmap? It is a difficult question to answer and most project always avoid it but the gain is judiciously used to benefits every coin holder with the company's assets and products

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Quote from: wppenergy1 on August 18, 2019, 12:47:25 AM

WPP Energy has never stated to go for all 5 exchanges, Instead WPP Has stated a 5 Exchanges Approval, WPP is still determining which exchange will fit the best for WPP Token, and we will keep the community updated as well.

WPP Executive is currently in Brazil, and some surprises are Upcoming!

in overall the previous 2 weeks was a very productive one for WPP!

Engagement through evolving relationships and pending deals with some of the largest Energy Companies Globally. We cannot disclose yet any information due to strict confidentially agreements between the parties involved.

The progress made is very tangible and we are very excited about the latest developments.
We will keep the community updated and will be sharing details at the appropriate time.

Thanks for your support 🙂👌

Thank you for this very much needed piece of update, the unfortunate thing is many people misunderstood what the team has stated on their website, people are so very impatient and too eager to see results withing the shortest possible time, wpp team has already made it clear that they are concerned about project development than exchange listing for the time been, good job team.

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WPP Energy has never stated to go for all 5 exchanges, Instead WPP Has stated a 5 Exchanges Approval, WPP is still determining which exchange will fit the best for WPP Token, and we will keep the community updated as well.

WPP Executive is currently in Brazil, and some surprises are Upcoming!

in overall the previous 2 weeks was a very productive one for WPP!

Engagement through evolving relationships and pending deals with some of the largest Energy Companies Globally. We cannot disclose yet any information due to strict confidentially agreements between the parties involved.

The progress made is very tangible and we are very excited about the latest developments.
We will keep the community updated and will be sharing details at the appropriate time.

Thanks for your support 🙂👌

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on August 17, 2019, 06:08:56 PM

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Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

yes indeed it's not easy, but why do they promise if they can't keep? just making a trend so that many people are interested in buying before listing? it's better not to promise to list on 5 exchanges if it's not able to meet it, shut up better and walk like running water

Looking at the market generally now, it is not easy for any project to keep with the price speculated if there are no use case. My trust on the project, if it is true, is the commitment to fulfil a large part of the roadmap that bring a good use case that could drive demand. There is no reason getting on many top exchanges if a good part of the roadmap is not accomplished.

Yes, There is no need for exchanges. They should now focus on development of the project. I personally don't think listing on new exchanges can even rise the price given the current condition of market.
But people are complaining about exchanges. Because they had already announced that five exchanges will list the tokens.
Any way, I hope everything goes well. listing on new exchanges does not matter now.

I fully agree with that. If they will fast track their developments and show something solid to the community, it might help in improving its price in the market. Honestly, 2 to 3 exchanges are more than enough to begin with. If you will just add more exchanges with no substantial development, I don't think it will help in creating a good value in the market.

Your words seem to have a point that 3 exchanges I think that's enough,
because I am pretty sure that the 3 exchanges can help increase prices in the market

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Quote from: javadsalehi on August 17, 2019, 06:04:46 PM

Quote from: ololajulo on August 17, 2019, 04:05:54 PM

Quote from: konflikkastil on August 15, 2019, 12:23:21 PM

Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

yes indeed it's not easy, but why do they promise if they can't keep? just making a trend so that many people are interested in buying before listing? it's better not to promise to list on 5 exchanges if it's not able to meet it, shut up better and walk like running water

Looking at the market generally now, it is not easy for any project to keep with the price speculated if there are no use case. My trust on the project, if it is true, is the commitment to fulfil a large part of the roadmap that bring a good use case that could drive demand. There is no reason getting on many top exchanges if a good part of the roadmap is not accomplished.

Yes, There is no need for exchanges. They should now focus on development of the project. I personally don't think listing on new exchanges can even rise the price given the current condition of market.
But people are complaining about exchanges. Because they had already announced that five exchanges will list the tokens.
Any way, I hope everything goes well. listing on new exchanges does not matter now.

I fully agree with that. If they will fast track their developments and show something solid to the community, it might help in improving its price in the market. Honestly, 2 to 3 exchanges are more than enough to begin with. If you will just add more exchanges with no substantial development, I don't think it will help in creating a good value in the market.

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Quote from: ololajulo on August 17, 2019, 04:05:54 PM

Quote from: konflikkastil on August 15, 2019, 12:23:21 PM

Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

yes indeed it's not easy, but why do they promise if they can't keep? just making a trend so that many people are interested in buying before listing? it's better not to promise to list on 5 exchanges if it's not able to meet it, shut up better and walk like running water

Looking at the market generally now, it is not easy for any project to keep with the price speculated if there are no use case. My trust on the project, if it is true, is the commitment to fulfil a large part of the roadmap that bring a good use case that could drive demand. There is no reason getting on many top exchanges if a good part of the roadmap is not accomplished.

Yes, There is no need for exchanges. They should now focus on development of the project. I personally don't think listing on new exchanges can even rise the price given the current condition of market.
But people are complaining about exchanges. Because they had already announced that five exchanges will list the tokens.
Any way, I hope everything goes well. listing on new exchanges does not matter now.

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Quote from: konflikkastil on August 15, 2019, 12:23:21 PM

Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

yes indeed it's not easy, but why do they promise if they can't keep? just making a trend so that many people are interested in buying before listing? it's better not to promise to list on 5 exchanges if it's not able to meet it, shut up better and walk like running water

Looking at the market generally now, it is not easy for any project to keep with the price speculated if there are no use case. My trust on the project, if it is true, is the commitment to fulfil a large part of the roadmap that bring a good use case that could drive demand. There is no reason getting on many top exchanges if a good part of the roadmap is not accomplished.

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Quote from: javadsalehi on August 15, 2019, 03:05:56 PM

Quote from: konflikkastil on August 15, 2019, 12:23:21 PM

Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

yes indeed it's not easy, but why do they promise if they can't keep? just making a trend so that many people are interested in buying before listing? it's better not to promise to list on 5 exchanges if it's not able to meet it, shut up better and walk like running water

100% right.
False promises might only have a little effect at the first. When the promises are broken, then they can have a big negative effect on people's trust. Wish they had not promised five exchange.
(I should admit that generally I am still hopeful about the future of this project.)

i don't think it is a false hope or maybe the team did not present the information properly in way it will not seem as though they are giving false hope, i think they only make their intentions known, the goals which they intend to achieve in the course of developing the project, wpp energy are not the only project to make such intentions, those exchange listing could still happen only may not happen the way we expected them to be.

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Quote from: konflikkastil on August 15, 2019, 12:23:21 PM

Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

yes indeed it's not easy, but why do they promise if they can't keep? just making a trend so that many people are interested in buying before listing? it's better not to promise to list on 5 exchanges if it's not able to meet it, shut up better and walk like running water

100% right.
False promises might only have a little effect at the first. When the promises are broken, then they can have a big negative effect on people's trust. Wish they had not promised five exchange.
(I should admit that generally I am still hopeful about the future of this project.)

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I dont think that exchanges will find financial attractiveness in such projects. The so-called "green energy" does not have significant potential at present. Not to mention that it has too much payback. Unfortunately.

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Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

yes indeed it's not easy, but why do they promise if they can't keep? just making a trend so that many people are interested in buying before listing? it's better not to promise to list on 5 exchanges if it's not able to meet it, shut up better and walk like running water

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Quote from: Anonylz on August 14, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Quote from: alan2here on August 13, 2019, 08:23:46 PM

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If they cannot do this, many investors are worried because they cannot comply with their promises this year. I think listing in a new exchange usually does not take too long but this project makes us wait a long time so careful consideration is needed between keeping or selling because WPP does not have much improvement in trading volume during the past 3 months. I personally earned a little WPP from bounty campaign but until now I have kept it until now and will continue to wait

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

I also participated in the bounty company of this project, I am very fond of this project. I want the project not to be lost. For myself, I decided to hold the tokens for a while. I will wait when the token will cost good money.

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Quote from: alan2here on August 13, 2019, 08:23:46 PM

Quote from: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on August 12, 2019, 02:32:46 AM

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If they cannot do this, many investors are worried because they cannot comply with their promises this year. I think listing in a new exchange usually does not take too long but this project makes us wait a long time so careful consideration is needed between keeping or selling because WPP does not have much improvement in trading volume during the past 3 months. I personally earned a little WPP from bounty campaign but until now I have kept it until now and will continue to wait

Actually listing in new exchange is not as easy as you assume mate, there are a lot of conditions involve when listing in an exchange which you as a project must met to keep it afloat, aside from the monetary aspect, i understand their are other conditionality involved, besides i see the wpp CTO (Mr Troy) as a smart man that will always reach out for the best option for wpp energy, if he thinks listing in new exchange is a major priority for wpp token to grow, am sure he would have done that immediately, making the right choice not always easy.

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Quote from: btcyoda on August 13, 2019, 10:08:45 PM

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Quote from: herfianto on August 11, 2019, 03:39:44 AM

I hope there's new exchange listing for WPP token, because now the volume is too low on Digifinex. The team ensure there will be a new exchange, just wait whether it will be realized.

What happened to WPP why the volume on digifinex is only $639, isn't this a very good project? btw I saw in conmarketcap WPP was only listed on 2 exchanges instead they promised to be listed on 5 exchanges at once

they have broken their promise, WPP will not enter the new market if the developer does not do what is best for the community, we'll wait

Yes, I remember that they had claimed that listing on five exchanges had been confirmed and it was up to team to be listed on them or not. I guess those exchanges had approved WPP, but only if they get a huge money which WPP team has not paid that

We better wait for the latest news and I still hope they can keep their promises,
hopefully in the near future this problem can be resolved and WPP is really listed on five exchanges we'll see

five exchange is not enough when token dont have real product and good ecosystem but one big exchange like binance will be good for short term pump and dump scheme

If they cannot do this, many investors are worried because they cannot comply with their promises this year. I think listing in a new exchange usually does not take too long but this project makes us wait a long time so careful consideration is needed between keeping or selling because WPP does not have much improvement in trading volume during the past 3 months. I personally earned a little WPP from bounty campaign but until now I have kept it until now and will continue to wait

We have to wait because they mentioned they are going to list in another exchange in Q4, we have to believe them because the are actively responding to the people question accurately. Recently they promised the 25% distribution to the holders. So we have to trust them because once the platform is launched we might see WPP as a payment option for the products.

It's true it's better for the time being to wait for the team to register in another exchange,
the most important thing is we just entrust it to the team and also continue to support them

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Quote from: pageraji on August 13, 2019, 09:11:21 PM

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Quote from: herfianto on August 11, 2019, 03:39:44 AM

I hope there's new exchange listing for WPP token, because now the volume is too low on Digifinex. The team ensure there will be a new exchange, just wait whether it will be realized.

What happened to WPP why the volume on digifinex is only $639, isn't this a very good project? btw I saw in conmarketcap WPP was only listed on 2 exchanges instead they promised to be listed on 5 exchanges at once

they have broken their promise, WPP will not enter the new market if the developer does not do what is best for the community, we'll wait

Yes, I remember that they had claimed that listing on five exchanges had been confirmed and it was up to team to be listed on them or not. I guess those exchanges had approved WPP, but only if they get a huge money which WPP team has not paid that

We better wait for the latest news and I still hope they can keep their promises,
hopefully in the near future this problem can be resolved and WPP is really listed on five exchanges we'll see

five exchange is not enough when token dont have real product and good ecosystem but one big exchange like binance will be good for short term pump and dump scheme

If they cannot do this, many investors are worried because they cannot comply with their promises this year. I think listing in a new exchange usually does not take too long but this project makes us wait a long time so careful consideration is needed between keeping or selling because WPP does not have much improvement in trading volume during the past 3 months. I personally earned a little WPP from bounty campaign but until now I have kept it until now and will continue to wait

We have to wait because they mentioned they are going to list in another exchange in Q4, we have to believe them because the are actively responding to the people question accurately. Recently they promised the 25% distribution to the holders. So we have to trust them because once the platform is launched we might see WPP as a payment option for the products.

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Quote from: alan2here on August 13, 2019, 08:23:46 PM

Quote from: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on August 12, 2019, 02:32:46 AM

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Quote from: ningrum on August 11, 2019, 10:58:51 AM

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Quote from: herfianto on August 11, 2019, 03:39:44 AM

I hope there's new exchange listing for WPP token, because now the volume is too low on Digifinex. The team ensure there will be a new exchange, just wait whether it will be realized.

What happened to WPP why the volume on digifinex is only $639, isn't this a very good project? btw I saw in conmarketcap WPP was only listed on 2 exchanges instead they promised to be listed on 5 exchanges at once

they have broken their promise, WPP will not enter the new market if the developer does not do what is best for the community, we'll wait

Yes, I remember that they had claimed that listing on five exchanges had been confirmed and it was up to team to be listed on them or not. I guess those exchanges had approved WPP, but only if they get a huge money which WPP team has not paid that

We better wait for the latest news and I still hope they can keep their promises,
hopefully in the near future this problem can be resolved and WPP is really listed on five exchanges we'll see

five exchange is not enough when token dont have real product and good ecosystem but one big exchange like binance will be good for short term pump and dump scheme

If they cannot do this, many investors are worried because they cannot comply with their promises this year. I think listing in a new exchange usually does not take too long but this project makes us wait a long time so careful consideration is needed between keeping or selling because WPP does not have much improvement in trading volume during the past 3 months. I personally earned a little WPP from bounty campaign but until now I have kept it until now and will continue to wait

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Quote from: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on August 12, 2019, 02:32:46 AM

Quote from: javadsalehi on August 11, 2019, 05:00:29 PM

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Quote from: herfianto on August 11, 2019, 03:39:44 AM

I hope there's new exchange listing for WPP token, because now the volume is too low on Digifinex. The team ensure there will be a new exchange, just wait whether it will be realized.

What happened to WPP why the volume on digifinex is only $639, isn't this a very good project? btw I saw in conmarketcap WPP was only listed on 2 exchanges instead they promised to be listed on 5 exchanges at once

they have broken their promise, WPP will not enter the new market if the developer does not do what is best for the community, we'll wait

Yes, I remember that they had claimed that listing on five exchanges had been confirmed and it was up to team to be listed on them or not. I guess those exchanges had approved WPP, but only if they get a huge money which WPP team has not paid that

We better wait for the latest news and I still hope they can keep their promises,
hopefully in the near future this problem can be resolved and WPP is really listed on five exchanges we'll see

If they cannot do this, many investors are worried because they cannot comply with their promises this year. I think listing in a new exchange usually does not take too long but this project makes us wait a long time so careful consideration is needed between keeping or selling because WPP does not have much improvement in trading volume during the past 3 months. I personally earned a little WPP from bounty campaign but until now I have kept it until now and will continue to wait

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Quote from: btcmegastar on August 12, 2019, 12:42:34 AM

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Quote from: herfianto on August 11, 2019, 03:39:44 AM

I hope there's new exchange listing for WPP token, because now the volume is too low on Digifinex. The team ensure there will be a new exchange, just wait whether it will be realized.

What happened to WPP why the volume on digifinex is only $639, isn't this a very good project? btw I saw in conmarketcap WPP was only listed on 2 exchanges instead they promised to be listed on 5 exchanges at once

During the crowd sales, they clearly mentioned that they are going to list the coin in 5 exchanges but for the next exchange listing they mentioned it will be in Q4, but why they are taking to much time for listing the coin. One thing i am very much impressed about this coin as they are actively responding to the community.

Is there any link of an announcement about the listing on Q4? I searched for this in their Telegram group. But I couldn't find that.

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Quote from: btcmegastar on August 12, 2019, 12:42:34 AM

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Quote from: herfianto on August 11, 2019, 03:39:44 AM

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During the crowd sales, they clearly mentioned that they are going to list the coin in 5 exchanges but for the next exchange listing they mentioned it will be in Q4, but why they are taking to much time for listing the coin. One thing i am very much impressed about this coin as they are actively responding to the community.

That was what they stated in their website and also is their telegram channel but what is the need for paying so much money on exchange whe that money can be used for further development to make project solid, sometimes listing in new exchange is not always the solution to make price increase.

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