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sr. member
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Merit: 250
August 22, 2014, 06:35:17 AM
大胆想法 未来是否有电子货币银行存在
Karmashares 未来自己电子货币银行是否可以实现

关于电子货币银行我想可以借鉴一下pandacoin(PND),他们在8月30号会发布一些关于这方面的消息
newbie
Activity: 59
Merit: 0
August 22, 2014, 06:26:55 AM
last call:

Last call for the saving innocence fundraiser!
The fundraiser will close in 24hours. This call is for bitcoin only donations. The few satoshis you see on karmafund.me are mine for testing purposes. Nobody donated btc although some demanded them with quite an emphazise. So, give some satoshis to saving innocence:

www.karmafund.me

newbie
Activity: 59
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August 22, 2014, 06:05:29 AM
大胆想法 未来是否有电子货币银行存在
Karmashares 未来自己电子货币银行是否可以实现

long time no seen man
sr. member
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August 22, 2014, 05:43:49 AM
大胆想法 未来是否有电子货币银行存在
Karmashares 未来自己电子货币银行是否可以实现
full member
Activity: 184
Merit: 100
August 22, 2014, 04:42:51 AM
I've been buying, and mining Karma, since the launch.
But that's correct, to keep my coins, and get 1x KarmaShares, as advertised.
You should just convert your coins 1.75x then if the deal gets scrapped request your coins back.

Karmashares will give you your coins back anytime you like.



"Karmashares will give you your coins back anytime you like"

where did you see it ?
Where does say you can't?

It is implicit, you are providing equity to Karmashares LLC. Kosmost isn't just holding the funds because he likes to look at a big wallet balance, they are there for Karmashares LLC as a poor form of working capital. Kosmost, at entirely his own discretion, bought people's Karmashares off them with his Karma in the past when people requested Karma back however not a single Karma has left Karmashares LLC to date. I will buy as many Karmashares as people want to sell at 17.5x.  Grin That isn't a typo.
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
August 21, 2014, 09:19:13 PM
I've been buying, and mining Karma, since the launch.
But that's correct, to keep my coins, and get 1x KarmaShares, as advertised.
You should just convert your coins 1.75x then if the deal gets scrapped request your coins back.

Karmashares will give you your coins back anytime you like.



"Karmashares will give you your coins back anytime you like"

where did you see it ?
Where does say you can't?
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
August 21, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
I am sure simple solution can be implemented that would void exchanges taking advantage of our LLC. Something as easy as an automatic process where coin holders can sign messages that they own that wallet. Just like the shareholder have had to do so far. As the technology advances in cryptoworld it is becoming easier and easier to secure your coin and provide proof of ownership.

As socoban told before, that does not work.

Because the owner (or someone else with access to the exchange wallets) could sign messages like any other normal Karma holder.
With requiring them to sign a message they fully agree to the TOS. The TOS would easily nullify these services from profiting while holding the coins of their customers . if some exchange decided to register register and sign the message they would break the law and also come off as shady and would probably loose street credits. We would also have people audit who ever sign up as well. starting from the highest investor and down.

No, the exchange would not loose "street credits" because the exchange owner could setup cold storage wallets in a way they looked 100% similar to normal wallets of normal users in the blockchain.
And if some ID was required from them, they could just say the wallets are from their distant cousins... and provide their ID...lol

The only way out of this is to end the 30+ day thing....
In my opinion we should announce the end of the 1.75x bonus period now (or close to now), with the extension of 2+ weeks so that people that really want to be part of Karmashares have time to buy shares.

No no. i was just pointing out that we can find a working solution to POC. No way i was saying POC is okay to stay.  Priority goes to the KarmashareLLC and Kosmost safety. Until we have a clear and legal representation of the SEC laws and making our offering of POC legal, i am for temporarily removal of POC feature from the LLC.

SEC is serious business. They are going after all kinds of bitcoins services. Especially IPOs.
Agreed!  We just need to end it and move on.  We really don't have a choice.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
August 21, 2014, 07:44:33 PM
I am sure simple solution can be implemented that would void exchanges taking advantage of our LLC. Something as easy as an automatic process where coin holders can sign messages that they own that wallet. Just like the shareholder have had to do so far. As the technology advances in cryptoworld it is becoming easier and easier to secure your coin and provide proof of ownership.

As socoban told before, that does not work.

Because the owner (or someone else with access to the exchange wallets) could sign messages like any other normal Karma holder.
With requiring them to sign a message they fully agree to the TOS. The TOS would easily nullify these services from profiting while holding the coins of their customers . if some exchange decided to register register and sign the message they would break the law and also come off as shady and would probably loose street credits. We would also have people audit who ever sign up as well. starting from the highest investor and down.

No, the exchange would not loose "street credits" because the exchange owner could setup cold storage wallets in a way they looked 100% similar to normal wallets of normal users in the blockchain.
And if some ID was required from them, they could just say the wallets are from their distant cousins... and provide their ID...lol

The only way out of this is to end the 30+ day thing....
In my opinion we should announce the end of the 1.75x bonus period now (or close to now), with the extension of 2+ weeks so that people that really want to be part of Karmashares have time to buy shares.

No no. i was just pointing out that we can find a working solution to POC. No way i was saying POC is okay to stay.  Priority goes to the KarmashareLLC and Kosmost safety. Until we have a clear and legal representation of the SEC laws and making our offering of POC legal, i am for temporarily removal of POC feature from the LLC.

SEC is serious business. They are going after all kinds of bitcoins services. Especially IPOs.
full member
Activity: 152
Merit: 100
August 21, 2014, 06:42:16 PM
I've been buying, and mining Karma, since the launch.
But that's correct, to keep my coins, and get 1x KarmaShares, as advertised.
You should just convert your coins 1.75x then if the deal gets scrapped request your coins back.

Karmashares will give you your coins back anytime you like.



"Karmashares will give you your coins back anytime you like"

where did you see it ?
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
August 21, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
I've been buying, and mining Karma, since the launch.
But that's correct, to keep my coins, and get 1x KarmaShares, as advertised.
You should just convert your coins 1.75x then if the deal gets scrapped request your coins back.

Karmashares will give you your coins back anytime you like.

full member
Activity: 152
Merit: 100
August 21, 2014, 05:54:45 PM
you can't just end the 30+ day holding of Karma.
That is the reason why many people decided not to by inn at the 10x period, Me included.

10x or 1x?
That was really the reason you did not buy Karma at 10x? Loose 10x to gain 1x?
I can not understand how can that be a reason. Please do explain.

The only reason I see people not wanting to enter 10x (or 5x, 2.5x, 1.75x) is to mantain the Karma coins, which they can sell at anytime.

Come on guys"  The only reason I see people not wanting to enter 10x (or 5x, 2.5x, 1.75x) is to mantain the Karma coins, which they can sell at anytime "
that is  ?
Let be honest the only reason was that who didnt enter in karmashares was that they didnt trust it .... let be honest.
Even now you dont trust it because if you trust you dont keep karm to get 1x instead to exchange it with shares and get 1.75x and if you trust karmashares llc now you go and buy karm and exchange it ,not sell it at cheap ...

Who bought at 10x,5x,2.5x,1,75x put all the trust kosmost plan ... of course what you think ( ohh is risky,if i loose money) but even now you dont have vision...
Even now is not too late but what can i say ... after the first best offer even if is now lill or other project in future you will regret much more ..

sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 250
August 21, 2014, 05:42:51 PM
I've been buying, and mining Karma, since the launch.
But that's correct, to keep my coins, and get 1x KarmaShares, as advertised.

You know that you can still buy Karma at 1.75x (not sure for how long...) right?
So what about spending half of your Karma in Karmashares?

You probably will get more dividends from Karmashares if you spend half of your coins in shares, than by keeping the coins at a 1:1 Karma/Karmashares ratio (because the exchanges could take the most part).

Even if you only think about what is best for you, the 1x Karmashares model is not good.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
August 21, 2014, 05:40:16 PM
Mintpal chopping more coins from their exchange...

soon there will only be 4 options in the LTC market.

PND has been growing strong since their revival plans were leaked... perhaps we should borrow some ideas from our black and white furry friends.

jr. member
Activity: 60
Merit: 1
August 21, 2014, 04:43:02 PM
I've been buying, and mining Karma, since the launch.
But that's correct, to keep my coins, and get 1x KarmaShares, as advertised.
sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 250
August 21, 2014, 04:07:16 PM
you can't just end the 30+ day holding of Karma.
That is the reason why many people decided not to by inn at the 10x period, Me included.

10x or 1x?
That was really the reason you did not buy Karma at 10x? Loose 10x to gain 1x?
I can not understand how can that be a reason. Please do explain.

The only reason I see people not wanting to enter 10x (or 5x, 2.5x, 1.75x) is to mantain the Karma coins, which they can sell at anytime.
hero member
Activity: 553
Merit: 500
August 21, 2014, 03:59:39 PM
A Karmacoin promo using the current ALS ice bucket challenge would be great PR... just sayin'

Somethings got to give the coin a kick in the pants
jr. member
Activity: 60
Merit: 1
August 21, 2014, 03:45:39 PM
you can't just end the 30+ day holding of Karma.
That is the reason why many people decided not to by inn at the 10x period, Me included.
sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 250
August 21, 2014, 03:00:39 PM
I am sure simple solution can be implemented that would void exchanges taking advantage of our LLC. Something as easy as an automatic process where coin holders can sign messages that they own that wallet. Just like the shareholder have had to do so far. As the technology advances in cryptoworld it is becoming easier and easier to secure your coin and provide proof of ownership.

As socoban told before, that does not work.

Because the owner (or someone else with access to the exchange wallets) could sign messages like any other normal Karma holder.
With requiring them to sign a message they fully agree to the TOS. The TOS would easily nullify these services from profiting while holding the coins of their customers . if some exchange decided to register register and sign the message they would break the law and also come off as shady and would probably loose street credits. We would also have people audit who ever sign up as well. starting from the highest investor and down.

No, the exchange would not loose "street credits" because the exchange owner could setup cold storage wallets in a way they looked 100% similar to normal wallets of normal users in the blockchain.
And if some ID was required from them, they could just say the wallets are from their distant cousins... and provide their ID...lol

The only way out of this is to end the 30+ day thing....
In my opinion we should announce the end of the 1.75x bonus period now (or close to now), with the extension of 2+ weeks so that people that really want to be part of Karmashares have time to buy shares.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
August 21, 2014, 02:52:35 PM
I am sure simple solution can be implemented that would void exchanges taking advantage of our LLC. Something as easy as an automatic process where coin holders can sign messages that they own that wallet. Just like the shareholder have had to do so far. As the technology advances in cryptoworld it is becoming easier and easier to secure your coin and provide proof of ownership.

As socoban told before, that does not work.

Because the owner (or someone else with access to the exchange wallets) could sign messages like any other normal Karma holder.

well i meant this would be regulated. a.k.a verified.

Also i didnt really specify in details some crucial points. So far everyone only thinks of exchanges. but there will be tons of other services that will required to hold people coins just like an exchange. So to have a working share explorer it will need to account for exchanges-like services now and possible any other kinds that tomorrow could bring. This would mean that we would have Terms of Services (TOS)

With requiring them to sign a message they fully agree to the TOS. The TOS would easily nullify these services from profiting while holding the coins of their customers . if some exchange decided to register register and sign the message they would break the law and also come off as shady and would probably loose street credits. We would also have people audit who ever sign up as well. starting from the highest investor and down.

Again this are just my opinions. Of course everything will be take up to the group and come up with best possible solution to this
sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 250
August 21, 2014, 02:39:12 PM
I am sure simple solution can be implemented that would void exchanges taking advantage of our LLC. Something as easy as an automatic process where coin holders can sign messages that they own that wallet. Just like the shareholder have had to do so far. As the technology advances in cryptoworld it is becoming easier and easier to secure your coin and provide proof of ownership.

As socoban told before, that does not work.

Because the owner (or someone else with access to the exchange wallets) could sign messages like any other normal Karma holder.
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