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July 13, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Just a reminder to all people holding their coins on exchanges for extended periods of time... this kind of practice is not safe.

mintpal was just hacked and  some reports claiming upto 8 million or so vericoin were stolen. this only goes to show that no exchange and no coin is completely safe regardless of if it is PoW or PoS.

details are still light as to how the coins were stolen. If I find out more I will report back.

https://support.mintpal.com/index.php?module=announce&sec=view&id=17
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July 13, 2014, 10:10:22 AM



As part of our marketing and PR drive I have initiated an un-official poll about the required number of coins that can be sent to Karmashares LLC for shares, please vote or comment so we can think this important matter through.


http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,473.0.html


-east



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July 13, 2014, 09:00:01 AM
WHEN CAN I USE X11 ALGO  Huh
thank you

Very soon, our dev is almost done and has been testing the algorithm in a privet test net to make sure there are no issues that will need to be addressed before the transfer.  We should be getting an update very soon.  
sr. member
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July 13, 2014, 08:53:23 AM
Target date is around the end of July ..

See page 143 of this thread or find 'kosmost's'
posts on this thread for the details ..

Triff ..
thanx
sr. member
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July 13, 2014, 08:07:58 AM
Target date is around the end of July ..

See page 143 of this thread or find 'kosmost's'
posts on this thread for the details ..

Triff ..
sr. member
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July 13, 2014, 05:44:21 AM
WHEN CAN I USE X11 ALGO  Huh
thank you
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July 13, 2014, 01:38:37 AM
Here's a funky idea, buyout trade my bit then reap the 2% auto exchange fees back in to karmashares, or even better instead of paying out BTC change the payout to karma.

The way I see it the only people making money round here are the multipool owners, exchanges or rental website owners.
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July 12, 2014, 06:50:37 PM
Excuse me...I just want to share another angle of this issue of reverse split at 1000:1(possibility).

OUR BUDGET FOR DEVELOPMENT:

At the moment we have 8,524,276,102 or 8.5Billion karma at 3 satoshi Karmashares, roughly 160,000 dollars share capital.

Think how easy it is to rise from 3 satoshis to 10 satoshis when our X11 and other security enhancements are finally implemented. Growing 330%. Our budget follows; becoming 528,000$ easily.

Will it be that easy to grow from 3000 satoshis to 10 000 satoshis? This is the growth that we need to attain the same budget growth at 1000:1 split.

Therefore instead of fast tracking our project developments it may actually slow our growth down.

At our present coin number, 10 satoshi per karma is very under valued. So if we say the fair market price should be 30sats, at the split we have to reach 30 000sat/karma. Although it is possible it will not be as easy.
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July 12, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
Did you know that Karm has been one of the most consistently profitable coins to mine for weeks now?

If you're looking for a reliable pool with an approachable staff & community, get on board at chunky.


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July 12, 2014, 04:39:48 PM
I think there is a bot doing sells on ltc market, when I place an order, it auto-places one 1 litoshi less.

So I manipulated it down to the lowest possible price, and held it there haha.

Buy them up!  The next price is 20% higher!(:
legendary
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July 12, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
1:1000 sounds easy to get ... and friendly
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July 12, 2014, 03:55:39 PM
If you haven't shared your point of view in this matter please make sure to do so soon.


http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,463.msg2487.html#msg2487
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July 12, 2014, 12:26:54 PM

Without that, it's simply psychology.  If you reduce the number to 10%, say 9bil, and the price goes from 1 sat to 10 sat you think "oh, this makes the market better," but if trading at 1sat worth of ltc or 10 sat, it is still the same thing.  Imo, psychologically, people getting into the idea behind karma will like the idea of giving to people.  Giving someone .001 is a joke to the average person and they wont bother.  Giving 10, 100, 1000, etc seems like it is something regardless of if the value of all of those is the same.  I think part of the pain for btc to move forward is its high value.  No one, not really understanding bitcoin, wants to spend $200 on .3 of something or gift their friend .001.  If they were buying 30, it seems like something and when the price moves they can interpret it better.  

In the end its the same thing, different numbers, and changing it just to stay on the satoshi wagon is a waste imo.  I personally think the strength is in the amount, long term specially.  I think the feeling and psychology behind that is a strong strong point for adoption.  The other side is people selling it don't want to sell 1mil for .x btc, selling smaller amounts feels less like a waste to them.  But its the same thing either way.  Raising the individual value of karma, imo, goes against the idea of people using it for its purpose and is just traders wanting their way and people excited about it wanting to see it worth something.

A good example is the tipping app.  People toss around 1k-50k of a coin and its like 'wow, look what they gave out'  If they were tossing out 1 and 2, its just meh--I might not know anything about either coin, but I notice to big numbers and don't think twice about the small.  That is personally why I always bought into the size of karma. When I see something great I want to say, "here is 50k for awesomeness," not "here, take my meager .5"--even if they equal the same thing.  With the proposed ratios that would be an extreme example but its the same idea.  If you are interesting in this coin and believe in its long term, wide, adoption I think changing the amount is a temporary bandage and a waste of potential--and also quite risky if the market doesn't move to meet the new size.

I agree with this post.
I think psychology is a very important aspect when dealing with this.

Another thing that worries me is the growth potential / reward / expectations after the reverse split.
I keep reading about attracting investors so what can we expect from an investor point of view?
One thing is for certain, the investor will want his capital back plus some.
This means if the investors don't see a high growth potential, they will simply not invest.
So if we take for instance 1:1000 split wouldn't this hurt us more because then people would have to buy more to reach their initial growth expectation? I don't think people will start doing it...
Just my 2 karma cents....

Yeah , sure 20 yeas from now. When karma has $billion market. And its mains stream. But right now   At this moment we are overwhelmed by people looking for quick profits. as we stand right now. These coins are too many to keep a healthy cycle. No investor will want to invest because they know that some one can own 50mill coins with $50.If the price rises up to say 20 satoshis we will get mass dumping from people in it for the quick on. Only when people sell their coins they will be in millions and crushing down the price back to 3-4 satoshis


What we are trying to do is minimize people trying to make a quick profit. As mentioned billion time above if some one would try to make 1 btc gain while we are in 1:1000 split. They would have to buy at 1000 satoshi and sell at 2000 satoshis. They would have to wait for the price to rise 1000 satoshis to see that gain. There'd fore it would minimize any outsiders from jumping in to take adventage of us.

Such move will leave only people who really believe in us to keep investing. Showing true collets of te coin


Since most of our investors have shown to hold we would get rid of all the one holding us back.

From now until we go mainstream as you all keep posting about its a long jurney. Perhaps  by then we would have  many token coins that can be used  for deferent options and one of them could have billions of coins to satisfy the feel of tipping more and 100 karma


Ps: no one tips karma. Except the team. 
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July 12, 2014, 11:18:40 AM

Without that, it's simply psychology.  If you reduce the number to 10%, say 9bil, and the price goes from 1 sat to 10 sat you think "oh, this makes the market better," but if trading at 1sat worth of ltc or 10 sat, it is still the same thing.  Imo, psychologically, people getting into the idea behind karma will like the idea of giving to people.  Giving someone .001 is a joke to the average person and they wont bother.  Giving 10, 100, 1000, etc seems like it is something regardless of if the value of all of those is the same.  I think part of the pain for btc to move forward is its high value.  No one, not really understanding bitcoin, wants to spend $200 on .3 of something or gift their friend .001.  If they were buying 30, it seems like something and when the price moves they can interpret it better.  

In the end its the same thing, different numbers, and changing it just to stay on the satoshi wagon is a waste imo.  I personally think the strength is in the amount, long term specially.  I think the feeling and psychology behind that is a strong strong point for adoption.  The other side is people selling it don't want to sell 1mil for .x btc, selling smaller amounts feels less like a waste to them.  But its the same thing either way.  Raising the individual value of karma, imo, goes against the idea of people using it for its purpose and is just traders wanting their way and people excited about it wanting to see it worth something.

A good example is the tipping app.  People toss around 1k-50k of a coin and its like 'wow, look what they gave out'  If they were tossing out 1 and 2, its just meh--I might not know anything about either coin, but I notice to big numbers and don't think twice about the small.  That is personally why I always bought into the size of karma. When I see something great I want to say, "here is 50k for awesomeness," not "here, take my meager .5"--even if they equal the same thing.  With the proposed ratios that would be an extreme example but its the same idea.  If you are interesting in this coin and believe in its long term, wide, adoption I think changing the amount is a temporary bandage and a waste of potential--and also quite risky if the market doesn't move to meet the new size.

I agree with this post.
I think psychology is a very important aspect when dealing with this.

Another thing that worries me is the growth potential / reward / expectations after the reverse split.
I keep reading about attracting investors so what can we expect from an investor point of view?
One thing is for certain, the investor will want his capital back plus some.
This means if the investors don't see a high growth potential, they will simply not invest.
So if we take for instance 1:1000 split wouldn't this hurt us more because then people would have to buy more to reach their initial growth expectation? I don't think people will start doing it...
Just my 2 karma cents....
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July 12, 2014, 04:20:11 AM
Karma will soon have 6,000,000,000,000,000,000 coins

http://redd.it/2ahnt1

This is perfectly stated by Kos, we are not limiting the value of Karma by shifting a decimal place once of twice or three times.  It will just have an effect on how it's paired with bitcoin. 
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July 12, 2014, 03:57:27 AM
Karma will soon have 6,000,000,000,000,000,000 coins

http://redd.it/2ahnt1

Most people can't comprehend such big numbers, people get stuck in the billions if not before. Most people can understand what 100 million is. 1 Bitcoin is 100 million Satoshi. That is relatively simple.

Don't start saying there are 6 quintillion Karma, it will freak people out.

Having a currency to 8 decimal places makes sense, you can always add more decimals if needed.

Don't try to change the definition of Karma from 1 unit of Karma to 0.00000001.

The only reason to change Karma is because Karma is being traded in the world's most highly denominated currency, the Bitcoin and even at 8 Decimal places Karma is still valued too low to be traded in it in a meaningful way.

The total number of Karma is fine, it is the price of Karma compared to Bitcoin that is the problem. Karma will be traded in Bitcoin, we can't ignore it, we need to make it so we can be traded in Bitcoin in a more granular way, which I believe is required.

All we need to do is create a new denomination of Karma. KKarma (K=1000). We then ask exchanges to remove listings of Karma and list Karma as KKarm.

1,000 Karma is 1 KiloKarma (KKarma).

To go the other way all you need to do is this:
1 Karma = 100 CentiKarma (CKarma)
1 Karma = 1,000,000 MicroKarma (MKarma), 10,000 MicroKarma is 1 CentiKarma
1 Karma = 1,000,000,000 NanoKarma (NKarma), 1,000 NanoKarma is 1 MicroKarma

"I bought 1,000 KiloKarma on an exchange for 1.03 Bitcoin, that's 1,000,000 Karma"

"I bought an apple for 1 Karma and 14 CentiKarma". This will be shortened to "I bought an apple for 1 Karma and 14 Cents"

"I bought a bead for 10 MicroKarma, I could have bought 1,000 for a CentiKarma."

If you aren't sure where I'm getting these from, it's the metric system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix

I think we should try this before actually changing Karma. Mintpal is the largest Karma exchange and have worked with us previously. Karma will be traded mostly on whatever Bitcoin market does this with us. If Mintpal isn't willing to I'm sure we can find an exchange to and then make it the "Official" exchange for Karma.

Alternatively just ask for Karma to be traded in lots of 1,000.

If not I'm in favour of the 1:100 split.

Chargin.
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July 12, 2014, 03:21:00 AM
My low opinion on a reverse split is simple(and a please don't): 90bil is not a lot if you consider world wide usage.  Long term if even 10% of the population used it, with an even split that's 90 coins each (maybe double, I haven't looked up the world pop in a while--probably closer to 6bil than 10bil).  

Without that, it's simply psychology.  If you reduce the number to 10%, say 9bil, and the price goes from 1 sat to 10 sat you think "oh, this makes the market better," but if trading at 1sat worth of ltc or 10 sat, it is still the same thing.  Imo, psychologically, people getting into the idea behind karma will like the idea of giving to people.  Giving someone .001 is a joke to the average person and they wont bother.  Giving 10, 100, 1000, etc seems like it is something regardless of if the value of all of those is the same.  I think part of the pain for btc to move forward is its high value.  No one, not really understanding bitcoin, wants to spend $200 on .3 of something or gift their friend .001.  If they were buying 30, it seems like something and when the price moves they can interpret it better.  

In the end its the same thing, different numbers, and changing it just to stay on the satoshi wagon is a waste imo.  I personally think the strength is in the amount, long term specially.  I think the feeling and psychology behind that is a strong strong point for adoption.  The other side is people selling it don't want to sell 1mil for .x btc, selling smaller amounts feels less like a waste to them.  But its the same thing either way.  Raising the individual value of karma, imo, goes against the idea of people using it for its purpose and is just traders wanting their way and people excited about it wanting to see it worth something.

A good example is the tipping app.  People toss around 1k-50k of a coin and its like 'wow, look what they gave out'  If they were tossing out 1 and 2, its just meh--I might not know anything about either coin, but I notice to big numbers and don't think twice about the small.  That is personally why I always bought into the size of karma. When I see something great I want to say, "here is 50k for awesomeness," not "here, take my meager .5"--even if they equal the same thing.  With the proposed ratios that would be an extreme example but its the same idea.  If you are interesting in this coin and believe in its long term, wide, adoption I think changing the amount is a temporary bandage and a waste of potential--and also quite risky if the market doesn't move to meet the new size.
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July 12, 2014, 02:33:18 AM
Just to clarify that 10 votes for being logged in is a one time thing and you will only be allowed to vote again if you log out, I've been pressing vote while logged in and didn't realise it wasn't going through

That's correct. We would be moving up a lot faster if you could vote more than once while logged in.
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July 12, 2014, 02:25:32 AM
Hi! We are the Hitbtc team. Hitbtc is the most advanced exchange. Now everyone can vote for their favorite currency to be added to Hitbtc. You can start voting here: https://hitbtc.com/vote

Among the latest currencies taking part in our vote is Karmacoin. So we invite all of you to take part in voting to add KARM to Hitbtc.
Votes from registered users will be multiplied x10!

If this isn't an invitation I don't know what is. This hasn't only been posted here so lets get cracking.

I encourage everyone to sign up to the site, vote and then vote every day. Approximately every 24 hours I'll post an update here on our progress and remind people to vote.

We don't need the most votes, we just need to show our potential. It is possible with two market makers (https://hitbtc.com/mm), perhaps coupled with a decent number of votes, Karma will be listed on hitbtc. Even if we aren't listed in the next 3 months, your votes over the next 3 months will help us get there in 3 months instead of 4, 5 or 6 months.

Day 8:
Rank 1: NFD Coin 14123 (24 hr gain +86) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 2: GlobalBoost 13007 (24 hr gain +2) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 3: BlackCoin 10614 (24 hr gain +24) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 4: Latium 8340 (24 hr gain +394) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 5: Isracoin 7729 (24 hr gain +857) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 6: Mintcoin 3575 (24 hr gain +65) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 7: VirtaCoin 2604 (24 hr gain +161) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 8: RescueCoin 1731 (24 hr gain +1731) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 9: SiameseCoin 1690 (24 hr gain +463) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))

Rank 10: Bytecoin 1625 (24 hr gain +36) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 11: Vertcoin 1375 (24 hr gain +7) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 12: NEMcoin 1050 (24 hr gain +33) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 13: duckNote 876 (24 hr gain +2) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 14: Darkcoin 856 (24 hr gain +7) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 15: Fantomcoin 555 (24 hr gain +2) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 16: biebercoin 524 (24 hr gain +0) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))

Rank 17: KarmaCoin 522 (24 hr gain +27) (last 7 days gain +243) (gain since day 0 +360))
Rank 18: Nascoin 518 (24 hr gain +0) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 19: Primecoin 478 (24 hr gain +1) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))
Rank 20: Web 2.0 Coin 418 (24 hr gain +4) (last 7 days gain +TBA) (gain since day 0 +TBA))


Sign up to https://hitbtc.com/vote then vote. It just just an email address, password and confirmation link in your email. Make sure you sign in so your vote is worth 10 times as much.

To get 1000 points it only takes 100 people voting for 10 points. To get 2000 points it only takes those same 100 people voting an additional 10 times while signed out. Lets get started.

TBA means to be advised, I'll introduce this when I have time to set up a system to automate it.
1 day is not 24 hours, it is 1 posting, I'm aiming to post once every 24 hours but sometimes I miss it due to other commitments.

Week 1 results summary:
Karma moved from rank 26 to 17, moving up a total of 9 places.
Karma increased its votes from just 162 to 495, an increase of 333, or we now have 305% of the votes we started with. For future reference, this was all while Karma prices were declining by at least half their value at the start of the weak.

Day 6 results summary:
Karma dropped 1 place today to rank 18 due to the introduction of a new contender.
We are catching up to a lot of cryptocurrencies, if we get a good voter turnout for day 7 we might be able to move up 3 or even 4 places in 1 day.

Day 7 results summary:
Karma moved up 1 place today to rank 17, which is good, however voting turnout was less than usual for Karma.
If we get some good votes tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised if we move up 2 places.

Day 8 results summary:
Karma held its place today at rank 17, we are just 2 votes away from overtaking biebercoin.

Monero is now available on bitbtc with just 1135 votes. This is a market maker addition. I strongly encourage active traders to review this https://hitbtc.com/mm and contact the hitbtc team. Obviously it would be impossible to keep Karma within such a tight range, however larger spreads may be negotiable.

It would appear as if you can only vote once while logged in. You can vote as a guest as many times as you want every 24 hours.

Please keep it up, vote again as a new user or a guest today.

Chargin.

Just to clarify that 10 votes for being logged in is a one time thing and you will only be allowed to vote again if you log out, I've been pressing vote while logged in and didn't realise it wasn't going through
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July 12, 2014, 01:29:32 AM
Karma will soon have 6,000,000,000,000,000,000 coins

http://redd.it/2ahnt1

(not really.. but read it anyway)
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