Topic: [ANN][KARM] Karma / ₭ / X11 - page 39. (Read 583111 times)

to anyone having issues for now, you can find the list of active notes on the blockchain https://chainz.cryptoid.info/karm/#!network

click on node list on "node list" of the karma real client =  /Satoshi:0.8.6.5/

Just added and finally have a connection, thanks for the nodes.

quite a bit actually ...

the capacity for a coin to be maintained has a number of things attached ... one of those things is amount ...

a coin - say like sia for instance - has many millions of coins that get mined and dumped - but many millions more coming into play ... same with karma ...

ltc on the other hand has a diminishing number and few coins per block mined at any one time - unlike karma - which allows the volume and pricing ( against btc ) to maintain a better liquidity ... this means LESS dumping than coins like karma ...

distribution is a very poor indicator of how a coin is performing in the community anyway ... its an important indicator for access of a coin - but not liquidity ...

so when mining karma - its a lot easier to obtain than ltc ... which makes for higher distribution ( mostly ) but not a high value ...

so block reward has quite an impact when its easy to mine - then dump ... as opposed to not so easy to mine and dump ... it creates a higher level of value to the coin ...

if we look at sia again ... the value of the coin is minute - BUT - the USE of the coin is enormous when the project gets its foothold in the storage industry ( as you need to spend sia to get storage ) ...

karma has very little use in anything else but trade at the moment ... so block value is important in that respect ... the higher the block value - the higher the distribution - the lower the value ... the lower block value - the lower distribution - the higher the value ...

thats all im saying ...

karma has a lot of coin in a lot of hands that is doing nothing more than bagholding at the moment ... i know - im one ...

show me some real use for the coin - and ill use it in the best way i can ... like i mentioned earlier in the thread - the direction of karma is wayward and not focused at the moment - which means no matter what statistics anyone show regarding karma - it is moot if we are all holding for something to happen and nothing is actually happening ...

i would like to see something better than this current status with the coin - but i cant see it all happening without focused direction ...

#crysx

what does block reward have to do with distribution? absolutely nothing when the coins are being mined and then dumped on exchanges to be sold.

litecoins reward per block is NOTHING like karma ... so its not a real comparison ...

#crysx

interesting read ...

but what has that to do with karma? ...

or are you implying building some of these systems will save money on mining karma ...

#crysx

it means Karm has a distribution similar to Litecoin.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ltc/#!rich

And what does that mean? For the second time you mention how many coins have some people ?! Do you want them or what? Why you not buy, the price is inexpensive? You once said that those with many coins should give billions to get some development ?? I have billions and will not give anything! Many mined and many bought. And not will sell to those who wait.         I don't like how you presents things, those who are behind karma. What exactly do you wants, all of you back there?

No team - no future. This is the truth.

Thank you very much.

 The posts you made after my request to post something if you still care about Karma, meant only one thing. Karma and our community is just resting. This is regardless of the content of your post.

Now to those who may have trouble synching their newly installed wallets. Kindly try to do the following:


in your wallet go to help | debug window | console and type in or copy and paste (ONE AT A TIME PLEASE):

addnode 104.243.34.106 add
addnode 109.221.15.102 add
addnode 122.57.103.228 add
addnode 135.0.78.42 add
addnode 148.251.126.241 add
addnode 167.114.27.241 add
addnode 173.58.213.135 add
addnode 178.66.92.83 add
addnode 188.165.2.147 add
addnode 188.226.194.191 add
addnode 192.95.29.153 add
addnode 204.11.237.233 add
addnode 212.198.247.212 add
addnode 212.93.100.223 add
addnode 24.102.90.154 add
addnode 24.15.13.38 add
addnode 37.5.13.140 add
addnode 5.101.96.124 add
addnode 62.221.89.173 add
addnode 68.35.218.223 add
addnode 72.42.100.141 add
addnode 75.119.248.120 add
addnode 76.95.178.229 add
addnode 80.215.138.166 add
addnode 83.104.61.47 add
addnode 84.117.113.234 add
addnode 86.235.25.22 add
addnode 89.11.228.207 add
addnode 91.64.54.9 add
addnode 95.55.189.156 add
addnode 98.94.49.78 add
addnode 99.113.26.253 add

And hopefully you will soon synch your Karma wallet.

By the way the posts also showed the inherent obstacles why Karma development would not be handled by a capable and willing developer of code. To those who don't have the time to search through pages and pages of our history, here they are:

1. Substantial amount of coins are now in the hands of several holders, see the richlist. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/karm/#!rich
2. Progressive and sustained code development for Karma needs time, financial and emotional supports. Which we don't have.
3. Everyone of us, have other priorities, intents, purposes, capacities, willingness and pride that make smooth and continued cooperation to develop Karma difficult to gain.

While on the other hand on the technical side of things, we have:

1. limited exchanges and the major one is having difficulties of its own.
2. The coin is now pegged to an also fading coin.
3. The code is littered with bugs that newbies will find annoying to resolve. (Not easy to use)
4. Everything we maintain to keep the Karma system going, costs money.
5. There is no practical use of the coin at the moment.

I will not argue with anyone. Let us keep things real, attainable and agreeable.

Good Karma guys.

Always been here to help.
-east

Yes, In fact it is listed on Waiting  for an answer already, But We will see.

Ok. and what is going to happen on February 18,2016 if a developer has not come forward?

Edit: I guess Karma will be added to this thread.    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/links-to-dead-coins-indicator-dc-812247

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13005554

deadline?   What is the deadline? What is going to happen?

The clock is ticking to Deadline, But I mean something,

Crypto is going through a transition period where  is urgent to end life to abandoned projects and define their status to avoid losses and give more confidence and certainty, Far from what has been happening in the crypto scene, Although it is not something official is merely something with a value of thought, Conscience and not mandatory acceptance, It must bring a fairer opportunity for new stakeholders. Dev or Leadership have enough time to move the coin  to a new level or only leave it die, The rest only time will say......
Least coins to pay more attention and avoid problems that everyone already knows it would be something desirable for the majority. This is not a work of one person is a work of all, Bring  confidence and security especially prove that anothers coins  can run , so far it has only done for BTC.
So, see and to overlook the mistakes that have been committed by those with mere eagerness to profit have turned this into a business unfair model  is to give everyone shame. In the other hand, Think that the only fact that  altcoins will survive only if BTC goes to the moon could be considered, It's been 6 years since BTC was born as an experiment, Clone this experiment again and again indefinitely does not seem very logical or disinterested. Even metals have a limited number compared to what happened on crypto scene.

Because this applies to many others coins and as I dont want to be repetitive again and again to the same thing I reserve the right to quote this post to another thread as reference.

For now, There will not  give any opinion here until the deadline at least, If the things on here there will be significantly improved dont worry about this.

maybe YOU need to see what was written by a 'newbie' account - and then tell me to look into your history ...

when i see a newbie account talking the talk - i would like to see him / her walk the walk ... obviously you have - so my apologies also ...

i think that if the consensus is simply to allow any and all to have part ownership of parts of karma - then so be it ... i truly believe it will go no further than what it has done ...

im not here to fight over who has the bigger appendage than the other scryptminer - i dont care if yours is bigger or you hold more than i do or that you OWN the backend ( notice - OWN ) ... the argument you have put forward is of no consequence to the points i have made ...

in essence - the ownership of the entire backend PROVES that a takeover with complete control MEANS a more successful karma ... if you already have copyrights and business components - then how on earth do you suggest a decentralized way of operation when the CORE is centralized ...

just make it YOUR coin - and spread the karma ... i dont see an issue with that - nor do most ... especially if you already OWN 70% of the coins infrastructure ...

oh - and if a takeover is 'never going to happen' - i think its because it already has ...

maybe you should look into who i am - and what i have done ... just so you know that i am quite competent in differentiating a decentralized infrastructure and a centralized one ...

i have always been - and always will be - in favor of a hardfork AND in favor of a complete takeover of the coin and its infrastructure so that it can move forward ... whether you think i am a viable candidate is irrelevant ... if you hold that much of the infrastructure and others hold rights to components of the coin and logo etc ... then really look at how you intend on moving forward with a keen eye ...

a brand - yes agreed ... how? ... you tell me ... especially when the owners of all those copyrights and trademarks are not willing to give them up? ...

decentralization - go right ahead - i would like to see this happen on a centralized infrastructure like karma ...

its great that you pay for everything - its great that you and your team ( notice it was YOU that kept saying your team ) is taking care of business - its great that its all still kept alive and supported by you ... i have a similar situation - with one quite stark exception ... i OWN it all ...

there NEEDS to be a leadership - that is MY opinion ... obviously its not yours ... so be it ...

you may be talking to a person here that is willing to invest a great deal - or nothing at all ... but as long as you have this type of direction - then the coin will be directionless ...

i guess its up to you and the team you own now mate ... seriously ... i would back you totally - if i KNEW that what you were doing would work ... but i have no faith in this type of ( mis ) management ...

btw - if you ask me what i can bring to the table ... then the question should actually be - what is it karma can bring to the table FOR those that are looking at investing / coding / marketing / etc ... i need not prove anything - especially if my time - effort - and money is going to be invested into an infrastructure that is completely out of my control ...

i do hope that karma does get back ontrack - but i certainly hope it wont be in the headless direction its currently at mate ...

#crysx
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I am a humble servant of Karma, I may own the infrastructure, some domains, some social pages, some copyrights but I don't see it as my OWN property. I do always said that I love the idea of Karma and thats why I choose to help out when it broke down last year.
I proposed already several Idea's with the faded Core Team but we never really got on the same level. Time fly's and now we are here again with the very same question than last year.

I do agree with you that leadership is required, but that is not to mistaken with ownership. I am running a Smart-Contract Lab and something we plan for next year is to build Autonomous Organisation. I believe if we would come up with a good concept for Karma that we could build such a system for it.
Basically a DAO is fully transparent to anyone. Any money that goes into it can be seen by every person. Members of the DAO will have shares of some sort depending on their position and activities towards the DAO. This is all governed by Smart-Contracts that will watch, execute and secure all Channels.

I will be happy to put down my ideas but as any new idea will require a Team of ppl that would help the cause our main issue is that we lack of those. I have not the capacity at this time to run a full project on Karma hence it is somewhere in the backlog. However time is passing and we already see technical
issues such as the Wallets.

Lets see if we can find common ground and interest and go from there.
My support is still unchanged

/scrptminer

General News:

I created a poll for all Karma Forum Members - like to hear what everyone is thinking so feel free:
http://forum.givekarma.net/index.php?topic=69.0

Also I have opened a Thread on the Forum to discuss future Karma development
http://forum.givekarma.net/index.php?board=23.0

Look forward to hear from ya all

/scryptminer

maybe YOU need to see what was written by a 'newbie' account - and then tell me to look into your history ...

when i see a newbie account talking the talk - i would like to see him / her walk the walk ... obviously you have - so my apologies also ...

i think that if the consensus is simply to allow any and all to have part ownership of parts of karma - then so be it ... i truly believe it will go no further than what it has done ...

im not here to fight over who has the bigger appendage than the other scryptminer - i dont care if yours is bigger or you hold more than i do or that you OWN the backend ( notice - OWN ) ... the argument you have put forward is of no consequence to the points i have made ...

in essence - the ownership of the entire backend PROVES that a takeover with complete control MEANS a more successful karma ... if you already have copyrights and business components - then how on earth do you suggest a decentralized way of operation when the CORE is centralized ...

just make it YOUR coin - and spread the karma ... i dont see an issue with that - nor do most ... especially if you already OWN 70% of the coins infrastructure ...

oh - and if a takeover is 'never going to happen' - i think its because it already has ...

maybe you should look into who i am - and what i have done ... just so you know that i am quite competent in differentiating a decentralized infrastructure and a centralized one ...

i have always been - and always will be - in favor of a hardfork AND in favor of a complete takeover of the coin and its infrastructure so that it can move forward ... whether you think i am a viable candidate is irrelevant ... if you hold that much of the infrastructure and others hold rights to components of the coin and logo etc ... then really look at how you intend on moving forward with a keen eye ...

a brand - yes agreed ... how? ... you tell me ... especially when the owners of all those copyrights and trademarks are not willing to give them up? ...

decentralization - go right ahead - i would like to see this happen on a centralized infrastructure like karma ...

its great that you pay for everything - its great that you and your team ( notice it was YOU that kept saying your team ) is taking care of business - its great that its all still kept alive and supported by you ... i have a similar situation - with one quite stark exception ... i OWN it all ...

there NEEDS to be a leadership - that is MY opinion ... obviously its not yours ... so be it ...

you may be talking to a person here that is willing to invest a great deal - or nothing at all ... but as long as you have this type of direction - then the coin will be directionless ...

i guess its up to you and the team you own now mate ... seriously ... i would back you totally - if i KNEW that what you were doing would work ... but i have no faith in this type of ( mis ) management ...

btw - if you ask me what i can bring to the table ... then the question should actually be - what is it karma can bring to the table FOR those that are looking at investing / coding / marketing / etc ... i need not prove anything - especially if my time - effort - and money is going to be invested into an infrastructure that is completely out of my control ...

i do hope that karma does get back ontrack - but i certainly hope it wont be in the headless direction its currently at mate ...

#crysx

Ok, first I apologise that I have not read all of your posts, quite frankly I said it many times, discussion about KARMA should happen in the KARMA forum, so I stopped looking at every single thread in here.

You talk about the handover and full control to bring back the glory days, well sounds awesome what is your plan, how do you intend to do that?

I am not interested in long discussions about who has the bigger back-end but before you start giving me grief you might want to check out who I am. And in terms of what I have already put in to Karma and still do.
I sponsor the entire backend with my Team, I pay for everything and I run the support. Oh and did I mention I pay for everything ?

For me the word KARMA has a meaning and that is the reason I hold on to this project. I believe there can be something done, and I said it many times to the CORE Team that was arguing about it on Telegram for many month (BTW you all where invited but no one ever showed up).

I don't believe that KARMA needs a central authority at all. It can be build decentralised and even autonomous. How? Check out the definition of a DAO. If you want to bring back KARMA then you need to think out of the box, build something where everyone can use it for themselves
and others.

Just to clear that FULL TAKE-OVER point once and for all. Never going to happen!

There are several entities that have ownership of parts of the KARMA World, that includes copyrights, trademarks, domain-names, social-sites etc and some of those ppl have not shown themselves or any interest in the past year to do anything or wanting to let go of their
objects. However the good news, you don't need to have Control to build something at all. You can even monazite  it for yourself if you wish so. If you still believe that mining a X11/Scrypt Coin is going to fetch the interest of anyone outside of the coin-holders themselves,
then you have not checked what is going on. The only way to make usage of KARMA is to use it as a brand like some others do, build something where the masses can use it. A real user case, project, product even.

I will open a new Thread on the Forum where we can discuss potential opportunity and interest.

/Karma Admin

seriously? ...

so all ive said is primarily 'waffle' and didnt actually TELL you what was required and what im willing to do? ...

ok - when YOU get serious about it - then i WILL look at it much more seriously also ...

you use the words dedicated and interested and organize - yet look over those that are willing to take the time to write not only thoughts - but place the groundwork on what NEEDS to be done in order to get this coin back up ...

seriously scryptminer - if you are anything that you say you are - you would have taken what i have written and accepted the fact that without a leader - or at least leadership - this coin and its infrastructure are doomed ... and i dont mean a community group to make decisions - i mean a person or a small team to take the 'bull by its horns' and tackle it head on ... to take ownership of the coin and the infrastructure ... yes a proper takeover ...

i have the experience and the know how to stabilize the entire backend - as well as take on the infratstructure as a whole ... i also have the team that would be required to bring such a coin back up - as long as they are willing to eat into more of their time for such a project ...

yes - i mean a complete takeover ... but i sure hell wouldnt take on a project like this and 'dedicate' my time effort and money to 'organize' and take it more 'seriously' if i didnt have control of the reins of the coin and infrastructure ... what you are asking is simply - come and show how much time and effort and money you can put in - THEN ill think about building a team to work on the coin ... even then - you are saying that its going to be a decentralized DECISION making process? ... really? ...

it is this reason the 'coin' is in the state of affairs it is in - and the same reason that there a re not many people willing to absorb the costs of such a taking ...

ownership - leadership - takeover ... they are all one and the same when referring to this coin ...

#crysx