Topic: [ANN][KARM] Karmacoin - New Initiatives - Helping People Do Good - page 11. (Read 352488 times)

Dear Forum,

We told ShawnLeary, Cryptwho, Kosmost, Delaforetnoire the word No.  
They cannot make a company and sell karmacoin shares or trademark or copyright Karmacoin.

These guys have been active for 6 weeks on a project.  
It is their opinion that they have the right to claim the coin as their own because of the inactivity of others.
Imagine if the world operated this way - "in my opinion you have not done enough - so I am taking it from you."

Anyway - it is still a good coin and as you can see people have a lot of passion for it, which is why we believe it has a solid future.

The drama - makes for a good read.

"As the Dev, we allowed someone named Kosmost to help promote the coin. He ended up taking the Karmacoin idea as if it was his own and even wrote about how he tried to trademark our name as his own! He created web sites that were competitive to the original web sites we created, and we were then asked to shut down our sites. Kosmost then created a for-profit company named Karmashares LLC and has been soliciting people to invest.

We want everyone to know the Devs of this coin do not condone Karmashares LLC and have nothing to do with this LLC.

The concept of Karmacoin was never for-profit, Karmashares LLC is for-profit.

In addition ask Kosmost and his crew to stop using the coin name. Anyone who invests in his LLC, assuming he actually makes them owners, will most likely be liable for damages associated with the trademark and copyright infringement should he continue to use the name.

We tried to stop this quietly over the past few weeks, and now the world needs to know what is going on with the coin.
"


this is what we had to deal with all this time....

I have come to believe that you are very thick person. great going there karmagood..... way to behave

Just now fell will not abandoning all KRAM coins Karmagood

Such groups often appear in China, do not surprised. Karmagood know that you exist today

OMG.. do you have any idea what you are talking about? You are absolutely crazy. None of what you're saying has any legal basis whatsoever.

You are actively trying to destroy Karmacoin.. and it's really, really the opposite of what you should be doing.

"We tried to stop this quietly over the past few weeks,".. please.. you have communicated nothing with us.

Every team member is on this thread.... and not a single one agrees with anything you are saying. That should tell you something.

The trademarks, lawyers, logo contest, press releases... someone has to be responsible for it (and someone has to pay for it). Was that you? You didn't even want to put your name on the press release. Instead, you said "Dave". It's insane that you're suggesting that because a member of the community has stepped up to the plate (at your insistence, mind you) then somehow it must be nefarious.

We have spent lots of time and effort on a coin that was dying. You abandoned it, stopped posting, stopped communicating, and continued to be irresponsible. We turned it around. We are the ones who spent thousands of our own money, not you. To suggest somehow it's bad because we are doing things the right way is really immature. Please get over yourself.

You elected me as project leader, abandoned the coin, and only wanted to come back when the price went up. Plain and simple. Now you're spreading misinformation that has no logical (or legal) basis.

You deleted all 5 moderators from the r/karmacoin subreddit. Way to go. I guess "teamwork" is not in your vocabulary?

(This part is really funny, though. "You are not just taking 'Karma', you have taken 'Karmacoin' and use it throughout your literature." --- come again? You copied what I put on Karmacoin.me word-for-word and put it on ikarmacoin.com)

Karmacoin lives on, with or without you. We're willing to forgive your transgressions and welcome you as a (silent) member of the community. But this behaviour really isn't good for anyone.

Thank you Karmagood, if you bring enough fear here in people mind, may be the karmacoin value will drop a little bit for few days and I will be able to buy more and more and more and more 

Because I am fully dedicated (more than 70h a week on this coin), I am full of trust, I know where we go and I see it will be without you.

This is pure comedy.  "...the past few weeks". HA!  Try 36 hours tops!

You obviously have no knowledge of law and are just spewing BS.  Karma is open source code and KarmaShareLLC will start a business building upon that source code.  Their is absolutely nothing in this that violates fair use.  Next you will tell us that anyone building a business around BitCoin is breaking the law.  

KarmaCoin crypto wasn't even applied for to be trademaked just a few weeks ago.  We had to do it, you would think the original Dev would have done this.   We have had to go and pay another dev to even fix the heart bleedissue?  You were NO WHERE.  

Seriously dude, move on, be happy you starting something great, but realize that you gave up on it too soon and yea, that has to hurt a little, but deal with it.  You will always be welcome here, however, it will take time before we can trust you with any responsibilities.

wow,  you never seize to impress me. all you care is about making money. you only wanted exchanges to add us. and once those exchanges added us you dissapeared.

and who is we? you got caught lieing. you claimed you were in London. then you post a picture of a Boston Massachusetts plate. a 5 minute Ip serach and we can tell you are in MA.

again. show us proof that you have worked hard for this coin?

it is simple. you are upset now that the coin you abandoned is movign forward. We have only been nice to you. We have asked up until a day ago to hand over the accounts and you would still be part of the team.

You have shown no interest in doing so nor trying to help the coin and its people.

Instead of taking this private you posted here. again showing your immaturity. You posted here knowing well enough you could cause damage to this coin and hurt the people who have invested. It's frustuating how you choose to hurt the people investing here without any consideration

Karmacoin is not your coin. it is the community's coin. And so far you have only cared about making money, and not helping them

Let me laugh, loud. Weeks ago you promised us to anwser any question by PM on Bitcointalk in a matter of hours, it happened just once, then nothing, no updates, no news, you didn't show ANY work (you work was too secret for being sharing with your own marketing/comm. team?).

Actually, you don't even update the wallet with new design, and more, you didn't even respond to OpenSSL Heartbleed problem.  


Without our dedication, at this time, Karmacoin would may be at 3 or 4 litoshis and all people's trust would be gone for ever.

You never took care of your own community and you dare talk of ''doing good'' ? Please keep the


Create Karmacoin is not just paying someones to build you a coin and a custom pool. It is also more than just take the maximum benf, escape without any news and comeback later when a real professional has build a real community, a real value and concrete project for this coin. All kosmost projects and action were taken with polls AND community approval.

Too easy dude, too easy to come here and trying to bring fear in our community, as an angry child would do it.
As you don't need us, we don't need you.

Your statements really make no sense. Please, you're wasting my time with this nonsense.

You have done absolutely nothing for weeks. That is a fact. Anyone can see your history, your lack of participation, you having shut down the main pool, the other karmacoin website, not updated this thread.. and that's just what is visible to the public.

The "shouts and threats"? Us asking you to please make a statement regarding openssl vulnerability? to update your status? to let us know what you're working on? etc, etc. The list goes on. You ignored us, and we simply stopped begging you to communicate. I suppose you didn't like it that Karmacoin gained 650% the day after you gave up on Karmacoin. That's on you, and you're behaving irrationally.

"..of their behind the scenes bullying." Do you have anything good or positive to say? Do you communicate? Are you helpful? Where have you been for the past month? Anyone can see that what you're saying simply isn't true. I'm sorry to say, but you're acting quite immature. It's not necessary to make false statements, false accusations, and misrepresent the truth. I feel kind of bad that you have changed like this.

"Karmacoin was not created for a single person to lawyer up and take control of it at will.".. Dude.. you NEED lawyers in order to do certain things. "Lawyering up"? What does that even mean in this context? I have shelled out thousands of dollars of my own money for the good of the community, and to further the cause.

Please, tell us what you have done for Karmacoin in the past 4 weeks. Responded in this forum a couple of times? Make a post to the subreddit? Updated the wallet? The last wallet update was from me. You refused to test it when I asked you. Your actions (and inactions) are completely illogical. I just don't get it.

If you want to be a productive member of this community, this is not the way to go about it.

The people you had helping you, left you.  You asked me, Kosmost, cryptowho, Dela and a few others to take over.  Then, right when our efforts are starting to turn this thing around, you pop in like, oh yea guys, here I am, still doing jack shit for this community and now I am going to throw a temper tantrum. 

I am done being polite and courteous.  A few on the team, including myself, were willing to give you another chance recently but you wouldn't even update the OP?  Your actions speak volumes on this forum today and over the past four weeks.

Shawn

Kosmost each of the people you have convinced to buy into your LLC, assuming they are actually real owners of the LLC, will also be liable for damages for stealing the Karmacoin name, trademark and concept.  In layman's terms, anyone who invests in your LLC will eventually need to pay dollars or forfeit their shares in a lawsuit.

If you try to argue that your investors are not liable for damages, then they are not real owners.  In that case they have no way to stop you from taking all the profits as a bonus, then telling them there was nothing left for their quarterly payout.  In other words, as the controlling CEO of your LLC you don't have to pay out a dime.

We tried to stop this quietly over the past few weeks, and now the world needs to know what you are actually doing.  As the actual dev of the coin we want to make sure the world knows we have nothing to do with you and do not condone your actions.

You cannot take copyrights or trademarks and treat them like your own.  You are not just taking 'Karma', you have taken 'Karmacoin' and use it throughout your literature.

Look not quite understand, kosmost has been watching them tried very hard to promote this coin. . .

lol @ Karmagood.. where were you all these days...? This coin was almost dead until the current team under kosmost took over.... Unlike you, they only did good things for this coin.. they have a vision and direction... so stop bitching...

As the whistleblower, we do not support your efforts.

It is our opinion that certain individuals have lost site of what Doing Good is Good means.
The shouts and threats against those that disagree are a glimpse of their behind the scenes bullying.

Karmacoin was not created for a single person to lawyer up and take control of it at will.

The entire team has been trying to get a response out of you for weeks (literally, weeks). You communicate nothing, and it's very frustrating.

The day the coin price went up, you "came back" and began throwing insults.

It's childish, frankly. And immature. Sorry, but I refuse to respond. Please let me know when you wish to communicate in a mature way.

But I will no longer be posting to this thread because you don't update it (everyone knows that). That's why we created a new thread.

As to this statement, "The concept of selling shares to an LLC is fraudulent and not sponsored by the KARM inventors/owners.  ".. frankly, it's idiotic. You also told me that "Karma" could not be trademarked.

My lawyer will laugh at your statements. LLCs do not have shares of "stock" but selling shares of stock but LLCs can sell a percentage interest in the company. But we are exchanging coins for share points (percentage of ownership). Please look it up and think logically. "Karma" can also be trademarked by anyone. You choose the class and file the trademark.

It's immature.

You closed down 2 websites "karmacoin.info" and "ikarmacoin.com".. you shut down the main pool (pool.karmacoin.info), you refused to respond to each request that we made.. you refused to update this thread.. the list goes on.

You can say whatever you like. But time will show the value of your statements.

Karmagood.

You have been notified and asked for help for over a month. You have negglected this coin. Our team has take over it and pushed it forward. Please do not show up now , being threatening and call our hard work as scammers.

please show me what have you done in the past month?  look at all your activity. one or two post for 30 days.

You abandoned the coin when it dipped down 30 days ago. ever since you have been MIA.

just recently you close down the main website and you are closing the pool you own and run. as if abondoning the coin was not enought.

You left us and did not gave up your accounts to us. How many times we have asked you to change the info in this thread? you have simple ignored us

We had to carry this coin to ourselves. We have new devs and stronger team.

After we do all this hard work and move the coin forwards you show up....


You could have easy contacted us privetly. We been asking you to join us to our new adventures but you have not shown a sign of life. all your accounts you own have had no activity for weeks. You stoped dev-ing for this coin. Own up to it.

Sorry, but your arguments are without merit and, frankly, illogical. You won't find any of the actual team (the team that has been working hard on this) on your side.. and that is for good reason.

No need for insults and false accusations.

Your last post was on March 31, 2014

Before that it was March 19.

Sorry, but we cannot wait for you. You're too slow, and you're not as involved as you should be.

" It is very focused on lining the pockets of a couple of people." <-- says the person who dumps his coins.

None of your arguments make sense, unfortunately. I am done responding.

please, don't be this way. Let's be mature about it.

You're welcome to post to this thread once a month, but that's not what the community needs.

Tried to settle it behind the scenes in private forums they setup.  It did not work.  Bitching solves nothing.

Why have you not been popping in and raising the alarm more often?
Seems like the sort of thing you would want to bitch about a LOT since the announcement of Karmashares at least.