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hero member
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Great, thank you! If I'm a delegate, the rewards can go really high. My main goal is to give back to the Lisk community.

The rewards will not go really high.  The rewards will be fixed at 150K Lisk in year one for your delegate no matter how many votes you get.  The more and more people who vote for you, the smaller and smaller their share of that 150K is going to be.  The more successful you are at getting supporters, the more unhappy your supporters will be.

Yo, that's Lisk, baby.



150k max? didn't you say only two or three weeks ago that the reward could be up to seven figures annually?

lol yeah, at $10 a coin in the future  Grin Grin  

each delegate will theoretically earn 150k lisk in a year.  What the value will be can be anyones guess.

Everyone in the 101 earns the same amount of lisk per year as long as the node is up 100% of the time.

If you are doing a Profit sharing Delegate where those who vote for you get a share of the lisk, that would mean that they are getting less and less as more and more start to vote for that delegate.

At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)

I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.




nice. so delegates have to buy votes.

please send me your offers.
Is it possible? They can buy votes?
sr. member
Activity: 358
Merit: 251
If i setup delegate, and somebody vote for me. Its possible to find who vote for me or its anonymous process ?
newbie
Activity: 26
Merit: 0
i think lisk above 50 cents and under 1 usd.

But you didnt give us the exact timeframe for that price  Grin  I say no under a dollar.EVER. First year between 1 and 10 USD and then only above 10 USD!

Maybe after launch above 50 cents and under 1 usd.

I see now 3 exchange - Lisk Token

Just now

Yobit https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC 550k
Bloombit https://bloombit.net/  +- 250K
Chameleon http://chameleonbit.trade/beta/altcoin/lisk/ 90K

Just my 2 cents
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1001
- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.

I would be happy with just m instead of b  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1117
Great, thank you! If I'm a delegate, the rewards can go really high. My main goal is to give back to the Lisk community.

The rewards will not go really high.  The rewards will be fixed at 150K Lisk in year one for your delegate no matter how many votes you get.  The more and more people who vote for you, the smaller and smaller their share of that 150K is going to be.  The more successful you are at getting supporters, the more unhappy your supporters will be.

Yo, that's Lisk, baby.



150k max? didn't you say only two or three weeks ago that the reward could be up to seven figures annually?

lol yeah, at $10 a coin in the future  Grin Grin  

each delegate will theoretically earn 150k lisk in a year.  What the value will be can be anyones guess.

Everyone in the 101 earns the same amount of lisk per year as long as the node is up 100% of the time.

If you are doing a Profit sharing Delegate where those who vote for you get a share of the lisk, that would mean that they are getting less and less as more and more start to vote for that delegate.

At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)

I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.




nice. so delegates have to buy votes.

please send me your offers.
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.

Average Joe again:

Bets = shady = like bitcoin and funding terrorism and Ponzi-scheme stuff...

Next please Smiley

https://forum.lisk.io/viewforum.php?f=8
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.

Average Joe again:

Bets = shady = like bitcoin and funding terrorism and Ponzi-scheme stuff...

Next please Smiley

well I think the biggest issue is still that nobody knows the real price so we can't really do stuff that requires price calculations without totally just guessing.

It might very well turn out that this coin is NOT an expensive coin.

What about some sort of voting app where the dapp has control over issuance of registration tokens that are paid for in lisk.  This question is hard because you can basically say this for any coin.

The benefits are that the processing of transactions are lightning fast and it does not waste energy because of the streamlined block reward system.

Basically almost everything ethereum can do, Lisk can also do well.

the possibilities are endless and since it's new, it's your opportunity to build something you would want to use.
legendary
Activity: 2020
Merit: 1041
- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.

Average Joe again:

Bets = shady = like bitcoin and funding terrorism and Ponzi-scheme stuff...

Next please Smiley

cmon not terrorism Silkroad!
sr. member
Activity: 686
Merit: 251
- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.

Average Joe again:

Bets = shady = like bitcoin and funding terrorism and Ponzi-scheme stuff...

Next please Smiley
full member
Activity: 217
Merit: 100
Lol  you lost my vote bro..

Im not going anywhere ill voice my concerns as I see fit thank you.

I did miss that monthly cost at the top corner of the page ill give u that one.

The rest you are dead wrong but the money you think your going to make is blinding you I understand.




good now GTFO

If you haven't noticed, I don't  give a fuck about votes and i'm sure as hell not going to play nice just to get them.


legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1001
Lisk Logo looks like a rough, uncut Blue Diamond. Bloomberg reports that Sotheby's with be competing with Christie's 15 carat, est. 45M largest blue diamond ever to be auctioned.

Shirley Temple Blue Diamond May Fetch $35M at Auction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsd-haKHqI

uhm, is this blue diamond right here worth more than $35M??!? let the market shape it and we will see.. hmm.. time will tell i guess
sr. member
Activity: 686
Merit: 251
Ok, this thread has some techtalk and a lot of greedy bullshit but if you want mass adoption, you'll have to give answers to an average Joe on why to invest and what does it do.  So:

- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.


Your average Joe.

Cheers
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
Lol  you lost my vote bro..

Im not going anywhere ill voice my concerns as I see fit thank you.

I did miss that monthly cost at the top corner of the page ill give u that one.

The rest you are dead wrong but the money you think your going to make is blinding you I understand.




good now GTFO

If you haven't noticed, I don't  give a fuck about votes and i'm sure as hell not going to play nice just to get them.
legendary
Activity: 2020
Merit: 1041
Lol  you lost my vote bro..

Im not going anywhere ill voice my concerns as I see fit thank you.

I did miss that monthly cost at the top corner of the page ill give u that one.

The rest you are dead wrong but the money you think your going to make is blinding you I understand.


hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion.  I am biased because I want to be a delegate.   Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow.  Good luck to you.  

As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen.   Lisk has a 10 second blocktime.  There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.

Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:

TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.  
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.

If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on.  And oh, yeah, a budget.

Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget.  We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.

Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC.  That means some big-ass computer power in the back room.  That's gonna cost big money.  Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one.  How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls?  Nobody knows.

When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".

Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates.  He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan.  Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them?  Probably.  Is this a problem?  That depends.  

Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little.  Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues.  Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.








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When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"."

I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job.
Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that .
I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc.
The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care.
But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun.
Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets.


Yes it might play out just like that at the beginning but you cannot say for a fact that it will progress like that forever.  People over time will prove themselves and they will start to rack up more votes pushing those who do nothing out of the 101.

101 is not a permanent future,  the instant someone gets more vote power to beat the 101 spot, they become a forging delegate.

If you weren't so busy guessing what might happen, it would have been better if you would have checked out what has happened on the testnet before you start throwing wild guesses out there.

This thread is over 600 pages, we all have talked about this issue before and those who have been testing it can see that it will work.

It's only guys who come in here every 2-3 weeks that just straight talk shit before trying it out and getting some real results instead of just conjecture.

I'm sure about a 100 pages of those is just you posting "funny" pictures and telling waves people to f*** off ..
I read most of this thread and ive been around in crypto for awhile and if u don't think there is reason to be concerned your delusional.



Time is BS, This account is BS.  I bought my first Bitcoin in 2010.  Who gives a shit?

Your last post is proof you only want Props than anything else.  

Technology does not beat community because if it did, Crypti would be blowing the fuck up. and bro, you are delusional if you think your outcome is the only possible outcome and if you think you are smart since you been around in crypto.

get lost turd.
legendary
Activity: 2020
Merit: 1041
I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion.  I am biased because I want to be a delegate.   Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow.  Good luck to you.  

As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen.   Lisk has a 10 second blocktime.  There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.

Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:

TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.  
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.

If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on.  And oh, yeah, a budget.

Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget.  We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.

Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC.  That means some big-ass computer power in the back room.  That's gonna cost big money.  Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one.  How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls?  Nobody knows.

When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".

Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates.  He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan.  Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them?  Probably.  Is this a problem?  That depends.  

Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little.  Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues.  Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.








"
When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"."

I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job.
Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that .
I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc.
The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care.
But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun.
Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets.


Yes it might play out just like that at the beginning but you cannot say for a fact that it will progress like that forever.  People over time will prove themselves and they will start to rack up more votes pushing those who do nothing out of the 101.

101 is not a permanent future,  the instant someone gets more vote power to beat the 101 spot, they become a forging delegate.

If you weren't so busy guessing what might happen, it would have been better if you would have checked out what has happened on the testnet before you start throwing wild guesses out there.

This thread is over 600 pages, we all have talked about this issue before and those who have been testing it can see that it will work.

It's only guys who come in here every 2-3 weeks that just straight talk shit before trying it out and getting some real results instead of just conjecture.

I'm sure about a 100 pages of those is just you posting "funny" pictures and telling waves people to f*** off ..
I read most of this thread and ive been around in crypto for awhile and if u don't think there is reason to be concerned your delusional.

hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)

I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.



It is a problem : the dev team should change this.

that's assuming that it becomes $10.  At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees.

Bullshit. at 7 cents you stilll 10k a year, which more than enough for server fees.

https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726 that one in particular seems to be popular with a few folk.
lol true but so is calculating the value at $10 per lisk

Oh and some people are discussing purchasing $500+ month servers for lisk nodes.

Can you link to the server package your referring to ? if not ill have to call BULLSHIT on that.


https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726

What part of one time setup fee is unclear to you?


WTF are you talking about?  are you looking at just one thing, probably the bandwidth?  You must not understand what you are looking at.  That is for one specific point.  Your're dumb. go away.  It still comes out to over $500 a month for just the BASIC settings.

instead of being objective, you are reaching for points that meet your pre defined outcome.
sr. member
Activity: 302
Merit: 250
I will HAPPILY vote for any delegate willing to profit share. If you are willing to do so send me a pm and let me know who your are so i can send votes your way!
newbie
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Merit: 0
Lisk Logo looks like a rough, uncut Blue Diamond. Bloomberg reports that Sotheby's with be competing with Christie's 15 carat, est. 45M largest blue diamond ever to be auctioned.

Shirley Temple Blue Diamond May Fetch $35M at Auction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsd-haKHqI
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