[ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers - page 185.

Beoga

legendary

Activity: 2646

Merit: 1141

Hey Beoga

Check if you earned more than 0.5 LISK: http://vliskpool.com/stats/miner/

A few minutes ago I sent the payments to vrlc92 voters.

This pool proportionally share 50% of forged blocks revenue to people who voted for vrlc92.
Payments interval is 3d if earned more than 0.5 LISK.
The next one will be in 3 days.

For more information go to: http://vliskpool.com

Hi, I see my stat. That's OK, thank you for sharing 50%.

vlom

legendary

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1117

i just unvoiced all liskelite. i only vote for delegates that share at least 50%. i am fed up with this mafia. lets make a change and kick out the dust-pools. and don't vote them again if they start sharing more. they earned enough. so they have two start with an new name.

LiskPro.com

full member

Activity: 256

Merit: 124

We love blockchain !

Quote from: Beoga on September 22, 2017, 07:56:43 AM

Thank you for new information it will help me to do more accurate analysis.
Consern liskpro.com - it is not clear for me - your pool and liberspirita will add 50% to robihood payouts. So liberspirita will pay 25% and you 25%, doesn't it?

Well, right now, RobinHood share 100% (if you vote for RobinHood and LiberSpirita).
At the 1st of October, Liskpro.com will "offer" 1 LSK per forged block (about 20%) to the pool (from our own pocket).
The RobinHood pool will be at 120%/
After the reward reduction, LiberSpirita will offer 1 LSK too. The RobinHood pool will so have 150% of reward !

So basiclly, we could say that Liskpro.com will share 25% and LiberSpirita will share 25%. But % are not accurate because of the reward reduction (19 november).

Ex : now, 100% is 5 LSK per forged block.
If we add 1 LSK, the pool will get 120% - It's math.

At the 19 november, it's the reward reduction.
So 100% will be 4 LSK per forged block.
Liskpro.com will continue to share 1 LSK per block. (So 25% of it's forged Lisk (if we will forge).
LiberSpirita will share 1 LSK per block.
So the total pool reward will not be 4 LSK but 6 LSK so 150% !

More for our voters !

And maybe even more in the future !

(Hope I'm clear).

Beoga

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Activity: 2646

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Quote from: LiskPro.com on September 22, 2017, 06:56:49 AM

Well, I must admit you are the first one here who argue it's votes ! And this is a very good presentation ...
As you, there are some things that are disgusting :
- delegates who pay when balance reaches 5 Lisk or more ! For a small wallet, it's insane;
- delegates who share barely "nothing" - let' say minus 25% for exemple.

I noticed some error :
- Hagie pays via this account : hagie_say_thank_you
- Corsaro pays via this account : corsaro

The others : I don't know. I didn't receive any reward even if I voted them.

In you Excel sheet, just change our reward : we will share 50% ! Not 25%.
At the 1st of October, even if we don't forge, we will give 20% (1 LSK per forged block) to the RobinHood Pool - FROM OUR OWN POCKET !
Then, when we will forge, we will share more to reach 50%.

Cool

Indeed, RobinHood is a good pool whatever FUDders say ! Good payout, high reward, excellent for small Lisk holders !
http://robinhood.liskpro.com

Thank you for new information it will help me to do more accurate analysis.
Consern liskpro.com - it is not clear for me - your pool and liberspirita will add 50% to robihood payouts. So liberspirita will pay 25% and you 25%, doesn't it?

Beoga

legendary

Activity: 2646

Merit: 1141

Quote from: kaedcoin on September 22, 2017, 06:27:43 AM

@Beoga : How/where did you get all these statistics ? Manual reports ? Or with an online tool ?

Still not too much payouts so I transfered its manually in MsAccess and made few queries to analysis.
It would be more gracefully to get data from Lisk blockexplorer directly but it's a little difficult for me so far.

LiskPro.com

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We love blockchain !

Quote from: kaedcoin on September 21, 2017, 05:38:58 PM

We, voters, should avoid those low sharing delegates. We should remove our votes when a delegate shares less than, say, 50%.

Those people get richer and richer and thus, their voting power get bigger and bigger and then, they can vote for each other and get stronger and stronger.
This system is a fail. I love LSK. But i do not like the way the DPOS works. Reminds me of the "real world". People doing nothing but getting richer and richer.

What does Liskelite do for LSK, exactly ? And for us, voters ?

You, wallet owners who possess thousands of LSK, you should vote for high% reward delegates, even if they are not in the top 101 list, because YOU HAVE THE POWER to get the "elite mafia" OUT and to help high sharing delegates replacing them.

Quote from: vi1son on September 21, 2017, 05:41:16 PM

Why not gdtpool? It will share 90%.

Nothing wrong with gdtpool. Already in my vote list.

There is somehting you missed ...
In the real wolrd, richers get richers and you and me cannot do anything except to win in a big lottery such EuroMillion (here in Europe).

But in a DPOS model, you and me can do something ! We can unvote people we don't like !
But we are human, we want money, now, fast, without doing anything (remind me some people in Lisk). So we vote for those who can give us some peenuts.

We have to kick our fingers out of our asses and _DO SOMETHING_ Cool

LiskPro.com

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Activity: 256

Merit: 124

We love blockchain !

Quote from: Beoga on September 22, 2017, 04:26:48 AM

Quote from: digicoin on September 22, 2017, 12:38:12 AM

Please consider unvote the following delegate

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only

All of them are from GDT. GDT is very bad for voters

Done.

This is my statistic for 3 months:

Wonder - why there is no payment from philhellmuth? And just one small payment from phoenix1969?
kushed.delegate, vi1son, vrlc92 just added no info so far.
liskpool_com_01 - minimum payout 10 Lisk - not accumulated so far.
liberspirita - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!

Some of pool from top 101 was deleted because I didn't got any Lisk from them:
bitbanksy, densmirnov, nerigal, stellardynamic, punkrock, hagie
If someone has statistic pools who didn't pay but in top 101 send please.

Also in my voting list:

odsejen - just 20% so tink to unvote
liskpro.com - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!

Well, I must admit you are the first one here who argue it's votes ! And this is a very good presentation ...
As you, there are some things that are disgusting :
- delegates who pay when balance reaches 5 Lisk or more ! For a small wallet, it's insane;
- delegates who share barely "nothing" - let' say minus 25% for exemple.

I noticed some error :
- Hagie pays via this account : hagie_say_thank_you
- Corsaro pays via this account : corsaro

The others : I don't know. I didn't receive any reward even if I voted them.

In you Excel sheet, just change our reward : we will share 50% ! Not 25%.
At the 1st of October, even if we don't forge, we will give 20% (1 LSK per forged block) to the RobinHood Pool - FROM OUR OWN POCKET !
Then, when we will forge, we will share more to reach 50%.

Cool

Indeed, RobinHood is a good pool whatever FUDders say ! Good payout, high reward, excellent for small Lisk holders !
http://robinhood.liskpro.com

Hong Kong

member

Activity: 72

Merit: 10

when will there be rebranding of the Lisk world of warcraft logo?

I'm tired of all my friends asking about WoW whenever they see the lisk icon° need something futuristic!

kaedcoin

full member

Activity: 408

Merit: 100

@Beoga : How/where did you get all these statistics ? Manual reports ? Or with an online tool ?

Beoga

legendary

Activity: 2646

Merit: 1141

Quote from: digicoin on September 22, 2017, 12:38:12 AM

Please consider unvote the following delegate

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only

All of them are from GDT. GDT is very bad for voters

Done.

This is my statistic for 3 months:

Wonder - why there is no payment from philhellmuth? And just one small payment from phoenix1969?
kushed.delegate, vi1son, vrlc92 just added no info so far.
liskpool_com_01 - minimum payout 10 Lisk - not accumulated so far.
liberspirita - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!

Some of pool from top 101 was deleted because I didn't got any Lisk from them:
bitbanksy, densmirnov, nerigal, stellardynamic, punkrock, hagie
If someone has statistic pools who didn't pay but in top 101 send please.

Also in my voting list:

odsejen - just 20% so tink to unvote
liskpro.com - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!

kaedcoin

full member

Activity: 408

Merit: 100

Quote from: digicoin on September 22, 2017, 12:38:12 AM

Please consider unvote the following delegate

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only

All of them are from GDT. GDT is very bad for voters

You know what ? You're right. Those pools : LiskElite and GDT, are bad for voters, when their delegates don't share more than 50% (in average).
5, 10% even 25% share ? They think we're blind ? They do almost nothing except getting richer and richer. Maintaining nodes doesn't cost even a little fraction of what they get.

LSK owners, we have to take the FORGING POWER back.

Vote for :

Axente - 50%
Cad789 - 50%
Blink - 90%
thrice.pi_prometheus - 50%
sonobit - 60%
bangomatic - 50%
bitseed - 50%

We don't care from which pool they are, because they share at least 50% with their voters.

LSK owners and voters, please consider changing your votes for DELEGATES and POOLS sharing at least 50% of their TOTAL FORGING REWARDS.

digicoin

legendary

Activity: 1106

Merit: 1000

Please consider unvote the following delegate

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only

All of them are from GDT. GDT is very bad for voters

vi1son

hero member

Activity: 531

Merit: 500

Quote from: kaedcoin on September 21, 2017, 03:40:50 PM

Quote from: vlom on September 21, 2017, 03:05:03 PM

Quote from: Lisk-investor on September 21, 2017, 06:41:16 AM

Big promotion!

unvote techbytes.
vote for gdtpool.

we need everyone to do this. if you are not planning to unvote now you will do it later because he will lose his forging spot!
so please do it now.

show the community Dpos is working!
show the community We got the power!

be part off this strong community!
unvote techbytes today.

i am not following the dpos-drame every day. could you please tell my whats up and why you want:
a) unvote techbytes.
b) vote for gdtpool

thank you

+1 with vlom.

I don't understand why we MUST unvote this delegate. He shares 50% from his forging rewards, right ?. That's enough for me to keep him on my votelist.

In fact, i need a free slot to add liskpro to my votelist, so i'd rather remove mrv or splatters or corsaro or redsnow, because they share no more than 10%.

And stop bshtting about how WE "have the power". Big pools have the power, especially this "lisk elite" where most members share 25% or less and get richer and richer while sharing almost nothing.

So, you know what, "liskinvestor" ? I'd rather yell : KEEP YOUR VOTE ON TECHBYTES, AS LONG AS HE SHARES 50% ! And Unvote LiskElite somewhat-mafia-like-pool until every delegate share 50% or more.

Why not gdtpool? It will share 90%.

kaedcoin

full member

Activity: 408

Merit: 100

We, voters, should avoid those low sharing delegates. We should remove our votes when a delegate shares less than, say, 50%.

Those people get richer and richer and thus, their voting power get bigger and bigger and then, they can vote for each other and get stronger and stronger.
This system is a fail. I love LSK. But i do not like the way the DPOS works. Reminds me of the "real world". People doing nothing but getting richer and richer.

What does Liskelite do for LSK, exactly ? And for us, voters ?

You, wallet owners who possess thousands of LSK, you should vote for high% reward delegates, even if they are not in the top 101 list, because YOU HAVE THE POWER to get the "elite mafia" OUT and to help high sharing delegates replacing them.

Quote from: vi1son on September 21, 2017, 05:41:16 PM

Why not gdtpool? It will share 90%.

Nothing wrong with gdtpool. Already in my vote list.

Termie

sr. member

Activity: 642

Merit: 292

"I vote all 101 delegates" - thats the problem. This way you support all these 0% - 25% scrooges which earns tons of Lisk while spending only peanuts to their voters. Voting blindly all 101 delegates lowers the chance that more generous pools can enter the forging ranks. So devote low-paying pools and vote for more 50%+ pools instead, also beyond the #101 rank.

Here you find an overview of the payout rate of each delegate, also these ones which are on standby beyond rank #101:
https://dpostools.com/LISK/

tech72

full member

Activity: 427

Merit: 100

How I can earn more LISK?
I have around 50k of LISK. I vote all 101 delegates, but I only receive peanut. only around 3-7 lisk perday.

AztecGoldHero

hero member

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Merit: 645

ıf btc stays cool. lısk and lots of coın wıll go to moon ıt seems. but btc doesnt allow that. lots of manupılatıon on btc. and these are rıddıculus manıpulatıons. btc ıs goıng to 6k dolar. but ı dont know why everybody thınks ıts goıng down. people says btc ın down trend sınce june. btc was around 2700 dolar at june but ıts 3600 dolar now. what kınd of downtrend ıs thıs Cheesy

vlom

legendary

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1117

Quote from: kaedcoin on September 21, 2017, 03:40:50 PM

Quote from: vlom on September 21, 2017, 03:05:03 PM

Quote from: Lisk-investor on September 21, 2017, 06:41:16 AM

Big promotion!

unvote techbytes.
vote for gdtpool.

we need everyone to do this. if you are not planning to unvote now you will do it later because he will lose his forging spot!
so please do it now.

show the community Dpos is working!
show the community We got the power!

be part off this strong community!
unvote techbytes today.

i am not following the dpos-drame every day. could you please tell my whats up and why you want:
a) unvote techbytes.
b) vote for gdtpool

thank you

+1 with vlom.

I don't understand why we MUST unvote this delegate. He shares 50% from his forging rewards, right ?. That's enough for me to keep him on my votelist.

In fact, i need a free slot to add liskpro to my votelist, so i'd rather remove mrv or splatters or corsaro or redsnow, because they share no more than 10%.

And stop bshit about how WE "have the power". Big pools have the power, especially this "lisk elite" where most members share 25% or less and get richer and richer while sharing almost nothing.

So, you know what, "liskinvestor" ? I'd rather yell : KEEP YOUR VOTE ON TECHBYTES, AS LONG AS HE SHARES 50% ! And Unvote LiskElite somewhat-mafia-like-pool until every delegate share 50% or more.

you are right. the problems are the mafia-like-huge pools. the LiskElite is one of these. are there other groups that act like this?
and after every block that is forged the delegates in top101 get more lisk. and this will give them more voting power day by day. and it will become harder and harder to change everything.

as i said before: i really like lisk. but i hate this 101-dpos algo.

btw: has anybody ever calculated what the LiskElite Members receive? For doing what? paying for some VPS and updating the node.

kaedcoin

full member

Activity: 408

Merit: 100

Quote from: vlom on September 21, 2017, 03:05:03 PM

Quote from: Lisk-investor on September 21, 2017, 06:41:16 AM

Big promotion!

unvote techbytes.
vote for gdtpool.

we need everyone to do this. if you are not planning to unvote now you will do it later because he will lose his forging spot!
so please do it now.

show the community Dpos is working!
show the community We got the power!

be part off this strong community!
unvote techbytes today.

i am not following the dpos-drame every day. could you please tell my whats up and why you want:
a) unvote techbytes.
b) vote for gdtpool

thank you

+1 with vlom.

I don't understand why we MUST unvote this delegate. He shares 50% from his forging rewards, right ?. That's enough for me to keep him on my votelist.

In fact, i need a free slot to add liskpro to my votelist, so i'd rather remove mrv or splatters or corsaro or redsnow, because they share no more than 10%.

And stop bshtting about how WE "have the power". Big pools have the power, especially this "lisk elite" where most members share 25% or less and get richer and richer while sharing almost nothing.

So, you know what, "liskinvestor" ? I'd rather yell : KEEP YOUR VOTE ON TECHBYTES, AS LONG AS HE SHARES 50% ! And Unvote LiskElite somewhat-mafia-like-pool until every delegate share 50% or more.

ludbega

hero member

Activity: 882

Merit: 659

The rebranding is really nice! In addition, I received an e-mail describing the latest news.

I really appreciate the communication of this project. The team frankly does an excellent job. I think we have one of the best challengers.

I look forward to 2018. Great things will be worthy of reward: D

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