Topic: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers - page 180. (Read 3074324 times)

Here are all my reports:
https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1278
You can follow there all transactions I did, see all my donations, and check all my contributions, scripts, tutorials, etc...
You can see there that I already donated around $40000 USD in 7 months to promising people and projects supporting Lisk. I have an additional $360000 USD !! in reserve, ready to be donated to great app/sidechain projects when SDK is ready.
So, if you have something contributed to Lisk, please let me know, I'm ready to donate to you as well if I think you've done something worthful.
But please don't tell me anything about "greedy"!

So then, what are you doing to help Lisk as a complete ecosystem? Actually you hurt it, and everybody who would like to see Lisk growing should do exactly the opposite of what your are suggesting.
The people you say people should unvote are exactly those guys who did most for Lisk! Unvoting them hurts Lisk very badly.
Actually I think you are here trying to hurt Lisk and people should ignore your comments

If you check my transparency reports linked above, you will see that I am extremely transparent.
I don't see voters as idiots. It's the opposite. Voters are at the core of a DPoS system. But voters have a big responsibility and influence about how a system like Lisk will grow in the future. Voters can profit much more from their votes when they vote contributing people, trying to increase the value of Lisk instead of only voting for short term gains.

I don't think so. If it's true what you are saying, you wouldn't try to convince people to unvote the most active delegates! All you are interested in is getting as much free money as possible, without doing anything.

You say "I strongly support active contributors to LISK and prefer voting them over profit sharing only delegates", but you are telling people to unvote active contributors to lisk like myself that has been closing Github issues at lisk's beginning, providing lisktools.io (which does need to be updated, but waiting for Lisk 1.0 with new API), and providing the Lisk Android Wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mrv.liskgdt.wallet
or gr33ndrag0n is bad even though he has been the one providing the most reliable snapshots for everyone, makes sure snapshots work with new lisk releases, and has provided alternate wallets and explorer sine the beginning?
or hmachado is bad even though he has provided liskak for all delegates to keep their nodes running smoothly
or 4miners.net is bad even though he has provided great new explorer features and has contributed to closing GitHub issues.
or cc001 who HQ has thought it a good enough delegate that they made a lisk.chat moderator, helping countless new people in chat and has provided many tutorials and guides in the forums.

And instead

You ask people to vote for a profit sharing only delegate that is openly selling the Lisk they keep and providing nothing for Lisk except a pool delegate.

I also find it interesting that you are only asking to unvote GDT members and community contributors; when there is another person in the top 101 that is running 2 delegates and sharing nothing with one of them while providing nothing for Lisk except the other delegate which is a pool.  Hmm....  

Edit: I missed that you said Don't be too greedy and see voters as idiots.  You say this but then tell everyone to vote for a delegate sold all the forged lisk that they set aside for app development for personal gains; and admits to just selling the 50% they weren't sharing with voters; again for presumably just personal gains since they aren't contributing to the Lisk community anymore.

Edit 2: If you want a 90% pool vote in, wouldn't it make more sense to vote gdtpool instead of techbytes?  techbytes has a history of just selling what lisk they can for their own profits.  gdtpool says they will use the 10% not shared to fund and donate to Lisk development projects.  Also, the gdtpool excludes all GDT members so more goes back commuity voters.  Again, this makes your points very interesting.... 

>> voters who try to get higher rewards by doing absolutely NOTHING for Lisk

You are wrong. LISK holder supports LISK market value by buying and holding LSK. Without them, LSK is a SELL.

>> the delegates spending 25% to people contributing to Lisk and promising projects,

Where is the report? How do you know which projects are promising? Your friend's projects? Or USD 200 freelance projects? Don't tell me that you are writing some line of codes, fixing some typos and ask community for paying you USD 6000 per month forever. It is too greedy.

Please don't act as if you were sole contributor to LISK project. Everyone here is contributing to LISK project in different ways.

I strongly support active contributors to LISK and prefer voting them over profit sharing only delegates. However, let be transparent, fair and accountable. Don't be too greedy and see voters as idiots

Dear voters,
 
Let raise your voice and ask delegates for increasing their profit sharing ratio to at least 50% and consider unvoting the following delegates

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only
+ joel: 15%
+ dakk: 15%
+ 4miners.net: 0%
+ cc001: 0%
+ digitron: 0%
+ hmachado: 0%
+ grumlin: 0%
+ goldeneye: 0%
+ liskgate: 0%
+ punkrock: 0%
+ gr33ndrag0n: 0%

It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedy

All of them are from GDTPool

Also, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.com


Delegate owners please contact http://earnlisk.com/ owner to update your profit sharing ratio

Thank You very much!!!
Don't know why, but my clock was a few minuts forward.
Fixed now. Delegates voting done!

Looks like your system's time stamp is out of sync with the network's time. Try to use some ntp servers for your local machine to get the correct time and try again.

I'm trying to change some votes in Lisk Nano but I'm getting always an error.
Untill now I had always vote in online wallet, but now I found that I can vote and unvote in the same transaction.

"Invalid transaction timestamp. Timestamp is in the future."

Anyone knows what is this and how can I solve it?

People should realize that they can earn much more when the Lisk price increases instead of getting some additional LSK without having a higher price. I give you an example, what do you prefer?:
1) now: 1000 LSK with $5 each ($5000), later: 1000 LSK with $20 each ($20000)
2) now: 1000 LSK with $5 each ($5000), later: 1100 LSK with $5 each ($5500)

I think we agree that example 1) is the "better" one. To get a higher price, Lisk must become better, Lisk must be used by much more people, Lisk must become more popular. To reach this, people should organize meetups, build tools, build apps, and so on... To motivate people/delegates to do all those things, you should vote for them, so they can keep forging, and using their funds to do those things, or to fund such projects.

Meaning: by voting for delegates who contribute much to the Lisk ecosystem, you help increasing the price of Lisk which brings you much bigger earnings (X-folds) than just collecting a few additional single LSKs.
This means: by voting for such delegates who contribute to the Lisk ecosystem, you invest longterm into Lisk and you will get much higher rewards than voting for delegates who contribute nothing than paying out some LSK.

Ok.But if you dont give nothing why somone have to vote you?If everybody thinks like that whats the purpose of all this?This is just a question not a provocation.

+1
only thing that would be an improvement is to rise payout threshold to (min.) 1 Lisk.
many smaller voters are handicapped with such low thresholds like 0.5, cause their earnings<>network fee rate is unfair.

I personally (as smaller voter) also haven't a problem with 3, 5 or 10 Lisk threshold.
sure, payout takes longer then, but this will save much of network fees. So on the whole, earnings are higher.

flash of wit:
I wonder if it would be very complex for all Lisk delegates to realize a personal payout threshold for each voter address?
Thats possible at many other (ETH, ZCash, ...) pools, simply verified with current IP address.
That would be a really big improvement imho.

No, Lisk is a decentralized blockchain. The decentralized community should reward contributing delegates by voting for them. That's the idea behind DPoS. A centralized entity should not be needed to reward these delegates.
I decided to not give 25% to my voters, but to donate those 25% to contributing people and great projects. Every voter who says this is greedy is just greedy himselve. He prefers his own personal profit over the benefit for the whole Lisk ecosystem.
If all those percentages shared to voters would be invested into great Lisk projects and into people organizing meetups, creating tools, fixing bugs instead, we could be already at twice or three times the price we are now. And everybody who owns LSK would profit much more from higher prices than from a few single LSK payed out because of voting. Think in long term, not short term to get big rewards!
So, .cryptic. tell me who is greedy here:
1) the delegates spending 25% to people contributing to Lisk and promising projects,
2) voters who try to get higher rewards by doing absolutely NOTHING for Lisk
?

You're a good example of what a delegate should be. Sharing a fair amount of your rewards and contributing to the Lisk ecosystem. See, it is possible to do both. Win/win.

No no, nothing official about the byteball distribution to lisk holders,Max only said that it will be decided after the byteball airdrop is over and there are few more rounds left.

There should be one "due diligence delegates guy", a person who understands what exactly every single delegate is doing and can translate that for non techie crowd,the community is getting bigger and a lot of new voters will come up so it would be cool to know who exactly and how gives a bigger value to one lisk. Like mrv777 is saying.. its better to vote for a hard working delegates than just for the quick profit ones. I ask you any small and mid lisk holder, would you rather own a 1100 lisk worth 20 dollars each or only 1000 lisk but 80 dollars each!

I am just trying to follow your guys logic.  Do I have this correct?
1.) So because I contribute to the Lisk Network, it's okay for me to just keep 50% of my forged Lisk to sell whenever I want as long as I share the other 50% with my voters?  I shouldn't worry about the future of the Lisk ecosystem and helping to fund good Apps that will improve Lisk or reward good contributions by people to the system? (btw, this is what HQ has stated in the past delegates should do and I believe it's why Lisk HQ doesn't have a bounty program.  Active delegates are supposed to be rewarding these people. As some of us do with donations.)
2.) If I don't feel like contributing to Lisk anymore, I can just raise my sharing to 75% and just keep 25% for myself for doing nothing anymore but being lucky enough to get a lot of votes?

I would think you are not saying that myself, gr33ndrag0n, cc001, or 4miners.net (there are others, but no need to list them all) are not doing much for the ecosystem.  We contribute and participate regularly.
Also, do people understand that pools benefit the big bagholders the most?  If you have less that 1000LSK there is no real point in voting for pool delegates.  It will take weeks, if not months just to get back the cost of your vote; and after that your profits are minimal.  You have more to gain by voting the delegates that will increase the price of lisk by adding to it; and those increasing the price of the lisk you hold.  You can get much bigger gains that way.
The original point of voting was to have the forging delegates be active members of the community that add value to the system (like the delegates I have been listing).



Why is it acceptable to have forging delegates that don't contribute to the Lisk network
They shouldn't raise their pool rewards, they should be voted out.  There are plenty of worth standby delegates that are contributing to the Lisk network that should be voted in instead


Who says active delegates that are not big pools are keeping it all for themselves?  Example is that I have forged Lisk reserved just for worthy lisk projects and apps that I will help fund and/or donate to.  Just like I donated to 5an1ty for his docker contributions to lisk.  
Delegates should not just be keeping all forged lisk they don't share with voters.  If they are a good delegate, they will put that forged lisk back into the system through donations and funding to others.  If they don't and they just sell what they keep, they should be unvoted from forging; as we recently saw happen.

For the delegates that are actively contributing to the Lisk network. Nobody is complaining about that. We just think that a reasonable amount to keep for yourself is 50% - which is MORE THAN ENOUGH. And give back to the people voting for you at least 50%

The delegates that are not contributing to the Lisk network, need to bump up their percentage of pool reward to at least 75%, imho.

It's the low percentages (or no sharing) that people are upset with. Rectify, this, like techbytes and samurai, and you will have loyal voters.

People are not screaming to get 80% or 90% share of the profits. They are only complaining about people who shares like 5-10% and not doing much for the ecosystem, which is totally understandable.

Lisk HQ has no bounty program currently and if you want to work for them, you have to move to Berlin.  So it's very difficult for delegates to be rewarded by them.  I'll ask you the same question though as I stated above: would it be better if I switched to a 50% pool and stopped all contributions besides taking part in a little Lisk chat as some of these pools are doing? or do you like my robinhood idea?  Either of those would be much easier for me.  You can have your percentage and I can just sell my percentage and not do anything else.

No one is questioning those pools' contributions to lisk because people only see the share percentage.  However, most of them has stated no other intention to do anything with the lisk they keep except sell it.  Instead people are attacking delegates that are contributing to the Lisk system, donating to worthy causes, and putting in a lot of time.

Edit: I forgot to say too that even HQ has stated in the past that delegates are there to fund worthy projects.  So we shouldn't be making giant pools that just ends up rewarding investors.  Delegates are supposed to be making donations and many of the people lists to be unvoted do donate to projects.  I just donated to 5an1ty a few thousand dollars worth of lisk last week for all of his work on Docker for Lisk

Anyone has any idea why lisk volume is being dropped so hard?
I remember lisk had about 2000BTC volume on poloniex and now it only has about 200btc, seems like something is going.
But then I checked most of the other alts and I found out that all alts have a really low volume.
Probably is about the bitcoin price being surging high and low.

Notable contributions to the LISK network should be rewarded by the LISK team imho. Otherwise only delegates would be interested in doing anything for LISK and we have to think about much bigger audience here.

Hey vlom!
I think if you want to change something its never too late
And beeing here and sharing 25% and many other donations twards lisk awearnes projects(6k+Lisk) for more than a year, it is something to be considered in my opinion.
And I also think that I give a nice return comparred to other active delegates and I also did donate to good lisk projects more than the average active delegate! I can add here that I am holding a big % of forged lisk(more than 70%) and not dumping every month, every week, like other active pools and delegates do.
My voters will get a nice double reward starting this week forward and I want to thank all ppl who are voting me!
Have a splendid day!