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newbie
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Team Elite members so far forged around 2.8 million Lisk. Out of that they gave 30% to the community, that's 840 000. The rest they kept for themselves, that's around 2 million Lisk.

Is there anything else needed to say?

Why is Lisk hardly moving with the price?
Because those guys, Team Elite, they are leeches, pure inflation for the Lisk ecosystem. They built few useless tools with over 2 million $ in their pockets, lol disgrace.

Even worse, they call other delegates, GDP members competition and they don't give them votes even for 90% pool. Fcking joke.

You guys have no shame to present yourself as great contributors of Lisk lol. "We're securing the network" Cheesy Only thing you're securing is your pockets. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

The Elite group receives their own rewards, they dont give 30% to the community.
They vote themselfs with 8 millions and outside voters give them 4 millions, so a big slice of rewards go back to Elite pockets.

The 30% share they claim is actually A LOT less since they get most of it back.
Here is an example, anyone can see it in the Blockchain

https://i.imgur.com/4HvSDUk.jpg (134kB)


On top of that, they already have 60 forging slots out of 101.
Not only they dont have any contribution to Lisk, no known projects of any kind, they are also contributing for Lisk centralization.

Soon Elite will control all delegate spots and all developers now supporting Lisk will move to other projects. Many already did.

legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1054
Point. Click. Blockchain
Guys, tomorrow GDTpool will do its first payout.

To receive it, just vote "gdtpool" delegate plus all 33 GDT members https://liskgdt.net/members

You can check your voting level, just going to https://pool.liskgdt.net/stats or to https://pool.liskgdt.net/account




No need to register, no need to put your data on centralized web sites. Just vote all GDT members plus "gdtpool".






That's all folks
https://liskgdt.net/

And most importantly all shared Lisk are payout to community voters and not back to GDT members like some other group are doing, paying back to themselves.  Now that is real sharing.


-tb-
member
Activity: 64
Merit: 10
My girls in my trap team all Baggin Cryptos!!!
As a blooming developer I have been using solidity as geth has a javascript console in the CLI. also you can import .json files. Lisk is intriguing to me as I am more interested in the tech and determining for myself how useful it is from a developers standpoint. What MAJOR differences does it offer? In the future when companies will need developers to manage their blockchains what would make a company choose lisk for their tokens blockchain over ethereum? Once you answer that question then you have a solid answer to lisks future and where it will sit in the emerging blockchain industry.

Here is a text I'm writing for my next video on Wild Promotion Youtube channel. I collected that from forum and Reddit.

"To make a project on Ethereum blockchain you will need to learn programming language called Solidity which is pretty young, unproven language and still doesn't have a big pool of developers.
On the other hand Lisk tends to focus on the JavaScript developers only which is a good decision because it's well known that Javascript pool of coders is huge.
There is an argument out there that you can develop on Ethereum using Javascript but this is only half the truth. At Ethereum you can use JavaScript for the dapp front end, and Solidity for the dapp back-end. So to develop on Ethereum you will still need to learn Solidity.
Ethereum is doing smart contracts which are all saved on one blockchain. If you want to develop a dapp in Ethereum you need to connect the functionalities of several smart contracts.
In Lisk you get a complete package. You don't develop single smart contracts. You build an entire application which is running on its own blockchain. It's like you develop a new crypto-currency platform with an extended feature-set. As a developer you just need to implement the necessary new features on the top of already existing platform.
Another argument which would favour Ethereum and go against Lisk on the first sight is that Javascript uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases.
Founder of Lisk response to that argument is that for big numbers Lisk is using bignumber.js. He says it's not about the language you choose, it's about your coding skills. If you know what you are doing JavaScript is entirely fine.
When it comes to security at Ethereum there are "rules" directly embedded into their compiler, so if the developers do a mistake and the consensus is broken, then the dapp needs a hard fork.
On the other hand at Lisk, developers just have to follow rules, so if there is a problem it's totally fine because the dapp is only running in a sidechain.
This is a huge security advantage for Lisk. If a dapp fails, the Lisk network doesn't even hiccup. However, if one smart contract on Ethereum fails, it can mean game over for Ethereum."

Your not wrong at all and that is a really good point. Solidity contracts have something called gas and it takes a small amount of ether to deploy a contract. I am new to development but i am learning all cryptos as well as solidity. Does Lisk have a feature  where you spend an amount of lisk to deploy a contract? Can any developer with a wallet deploy a sidechain?
legendary
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Guys, tomorrow GDTpool will do its first payout.

To receive it, just vote "gdtpool" delegate plus all 33 GDT members https://liskgdt.net/members

You can check your voting level, just going to https://pool.liskgdt.net/stats or to https://pool.liskgdt.net/account




No need to register, no need to put your data on centralized web sites. Just vote all 33 GDT members plus "gdtpool".






That's all folks
https://liskgdt.net/
sr. member
Activity: 279
Merit: 250
I remember having tried software to handle delegates but did not remember the name, some help? Huh Huh

Not sure what you mean but you can look at most of Lisk Tools here:

https://liskgdt.net/contributions

They are all open source.


legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1000
I did a small example on howto broadcast already signed tx on lisk network.
Someone can be interested

https://github.com/corsaro1/lisk_broadcast
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1000
Eventually as LISK becomes more popular and the price increases I think there will be greater delegate competition forcing elitegroup to provide greater pool rewards or risk being superseeded by others...

consider too that as soon as SDK will be released, there will be the need of delegates for sidechains.
Developers can choose to have separate delegates for their sidechains, so there will be great possibilities to forge sidechains for a lot of people
member
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Merit: 10
Forging Lisk delegate philhellmuth 35% SHARE POOL
As a blooming developer I have been using solidity as geth has a javascript console in the CLI. also you can import .json files. Lisk is intriguing to me as I am more interested in the tech and determining for myself how useful it is from a developers standpoint. What MAJOR differences does it offer? In the future when companies will need developers to manage their blockchains what would make a company choose lisk for their tokens blockchain over ethereum? Once you answer that question then you have a solid answer to lisks future and where it will sit in the emerging blockchain industry.

Here is a text I'm writing for my next video on Wild Promotion Youtube channel. I collected that from forum and Reddit.

"To make a project on Ethereum blockchain you will need to learn programming language called Solidity which is pretty young, unproven language and still doesn't have a big pool of developers.
On the other hand Lisk tends to focus on the JavaScript developers only which is a good decision because it's well known that Javascript pool of coders is huge.
There is an argument out there that you can develop on Ethereum using Javascript but this is only half the truth. At Ethereum you can use JavaScript for the dapp front end, and Solidity for the dapp back-end. So to develop on Ethereum you will still need to learn Solidity.
Ethereum is doing smart contracts which are all saved on one blockchain. If you want to develop a dapp in Ethereum you need to connect the functionalities of several smart contracts.
In Lisk you get a complete package. You don't develop single smart contracts. You build an entire application which is running on its own blockchain. It's like you develop a new crypto-currency platform with an extended feature-set. As a developer you just need to implement the necessary new features on the top of already existing platform.
Another argument which would favour Ethereum and go against Lisk on the first sight is that Javascript uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases.
Founder of Lisk response to that argument is that for big numbers Lisk is using bignumber.js. He says it's not about the language you choose, it's about your coding skills. If you know what you are doing JavaScript is entirely fine.
When it comes to security at Ethereum there are "rules" directly embedded into their compiler, so if the developers do a mistake and the consensus is broken, then the dapp needs a hard fork.
On the other hand at Lisk, developers just have to follow rules, so if there is a problem it's totally fine because the dapp is only running in a sidechain.
This is a huge security advantage for Lisk. If a dapp fails, the Lisk network doesn't even hiccup. However, if one smart contract on Ethereum fails, it can mean game over for Ethereum."
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1001
Will we ever see token lisk based?
 Grin

Ofcourse, next year you"ll see a dozens of initial coin offerings based on lisk, just like this year we have dozens based on ethereum.

I"m not techy but can I ask will there ever be more delegate spots? like 201 or something?
member
Activity: 64
Merit: 10
My girls in my trap team all Baggin Cryptos!!!
As a blooming developer I have been using solidity as geth has a javascript console in the CLI. also you can import .json files. Lisk is intriguing to me as I am more interested in the tech and determining for myself how useful it is from a developers standpoint. What MAJOR differences does it offer? In the future when companies will need developers to manage their blockchains what would make a company choose lisk for their tokens blockchain over ethereum? Once you answer that question then you have a solid answer to lisks future and where it will sit in the emerging blockchain industry.
hero member
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Merit: 513
Reading all the delegates info and how forging works, really interesting system. Is it good for the project that real people-delegates will be soon forced out of 101 list by pools (which seems to happen now)?

Maybe I missed the answer or didn't search, or don't get it. Someone, please answer or explain Smiley

Well, some of the people that are forging are working for Lisk by building tools and promoting Lisk.
As far as i know, the pools dont contribute for Lisk development.

You can see most of the contributions from the GDT group here:

https://liskgdt.net/contributions

That's my concern and that's why I ask. Contributors are forced out of 101 by greedy voters that vote for pools for pure profit. I don't think this was the plan for delegates. I feel like you want to see a personality behind a delegate, not a faceless pool1, pool66, lisk_pool11 etc...

Among the new posts I see a lot of new pool ads, not a lot of news about lisk itself...

No active LISK members can answer or explain this? Oh please, just a bunch of new pool adverts when I update this thread...

What is there to answer? Greed wins. Short term gains look more juicy than sustainable growth by funding legitimate projects. Unless you find a way to game this system, this is how it's going to be. I don't see a way around it.
legendary
Activity: 1146
Merit: 1000
Eventually as LISK becomes more popular and the price increases I think there will be greater delegate competition forcing elitegroup to provide greater pool rewards or risk being superseeded by others...
newbie
Activity: 50
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how is lisk coin if plan to hold for 3-5 months
or the coin already rise to its level
legendary
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Will we ever see token lisk based?
 Grin
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Bawga
lisk thread is dominated by voting talks  Sad. Is this the only important issue. Is the rebranding of lisk starting and when can developers use lisk to build dapps?

Development is slow on this one so the only thing to talk about is sharing of mining profits. Like techbytes says money talks..

So expect to see an SDK by the end of the year (according to devs) and then dapps by 2018. There is lots of time to get into this one.



Gulp!! Lots of time to get into LISK is a bad thing.  Lisk is so far behind Ethereum,  by 2018 will be even further.  Have you seen the Ethereum news lately?  Vitalik is moving into China etc.  With $22M in funds this team needs to move very fast now.  I'm not seeing that in the blogs.

Lot of time to get into LISK? No. If you enter into LISK last month, you will get 50% cheap Lisk. Now 1$. Not sure when you guys will enter. $5, $10 ?  Developments are faster than you guys think. Check Lisk Development update - Commits for May 12th - May 26th, 2017 . Also can track on Github and Gitter.
full member
Activity: 150
Merit: 100
lisk thread is dominated by voting talks  Sad. Is this the only important issue. Is the rebranding of lisk starting and when can developers use lisk to build dapps?

Development is slow on this one so the only thing to talk about is sharing of mining profits. Like techbytes says money talks..

So expect to see an SDK by the end of the year (according to devs) and then dapps by 2018. There is lots of time to get into this one.



Gulp!! Lots of time to get into LISK is a bad thing.  Lisk is so far behind Ethereum,  by 2018 will be even further.  Have you seen the Ethereum news lately?  Vitalik is moving into China etc.  With $22M in funds this team needs to move very fast now.  I'm not seeing that in the blogs.
hero member
Activity: 728
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I remember having tried software to handle delegates but did not remember the name, some help? Huh Huh

hi, what do you men by 'software to handle delegates' ?

do you mean software to vote for delegates? if so, this link might help.

Yes but it was a standalone software. I din't remember the author or where I downloaded from (maybe github)
legendary
Activity: 1146
Merit: 1000
Hey guys, vote "popcornbag" as delegate.

He shares 25% pool rewards to voters and 70% goes to the development of liskpoker.com - which will increase the value of your LSK tokens! Currently sitting in 115th position, almost in forging status...

legendary
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Merit: 1117
I would like to propose a simple idea to get the forum 'clean' again of all the delegate talk. Of course delegates are important, and they should have an opportunity here to advertise their services.

But it would be nice if they do this advertising in their banner space only. If this can be moderated, we get a cleaner forum with less trees in the woods. Of course a delegate can have an announcement too if there are changes, so that should be allowed in the regular posts.

I agree with your - maybe there should be a separate delegate thread - I stopped reading the list thread so much due to all the additional delegate posts, its difficult to filter the meaningful posts out...
delegats are the part of lisk and lisk community. nobody will not read separate thread.

and i will stopp reading this topic. some off you will say: "so what?". But if i am not the only one. Then less and less people will stop here and read and post and keep the topic on page one. after that delegates can read the adds of other delegates....
full member
Activity: 170
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Reading all the delegates info and how forging works, really interesting system. Is it good for the project that real people-delegates will be soon forced out of 101 list by pools (which seems to happen now)?

Maybe I missed the answer or didn't search, or don't get it. Someone, please answer or explain Smiley

Well, some of the people that are forging are working for Lisk by building tools and promoting Lisk.
As far as i know, the pools dont contribute for Lisk development.

You can see most of the contributions from the GDT group here:

https://liskgdt.net/contributions

That's my concern and that's why I ask. Contributors are forced out of 101 by greedy voters that vote for pools for pure profit. I don't think this was the plan for delegates. I feel like you want to see a personality behind a delegate, not a faceless pool1, pool66, lisk_pool11 etc...

Among the new posts I see a lot of new pool ads, not a lot of news about lisk itself...

No active LISK members can answer or explain this? Oh please, just a bunch of new pool adverts when I update this thread...
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