Topic: [ANN][MEW]Discussion&Vote #1 - Communication Strategy - Members only - page 2. (Read 4367 times)

10 votes

Vote proposal #2.

1000 votes

In favour of Proposal #2 version #3.

Edit: For clarity this is casting a formal vote in favour of Proposal #2 ver 3

1,000 votes

Vote proposal #2.

Start of voting.


The discussion phase lasted for the 7 days. Now it is time to start the voting. It is possible to continue discussion also but the proposals are locked in (proposal texts in the end of the message).

Voting happens as follows:
- Write a post
- State your number of votes in the first line
- State which proposal you vote for in the second line ("1" and "2" identify proposals adequately).
- When either of the proposals reaches 50%+1 of all votes, it passes immediately. Otherwise the proposal with more votes passes after 168 hours from the timestamp of this post.
 


Proposal #1 ver 1

Whereas, BCT has been proven to be an energetic platform for discussion;

Whereas, almost all the members of the MEW are active in BCT already, making its use very convenient;

Whereas, the recent fall in BTC price and the decimation of altcoins has lead to our userbase and fiat resources shrinking considerably and they must be put to more important uses than setting up proprietary forums and communication tools;

Whereas, the current altcoinworld holds a great deal of people that over time could be persuaded of Monero's speciality (especially MEW, which they don't have);

Now, therefore, we decide that the MEW will base both its internal and external communication as much as is practical in BCT (not stopping the use of existing proprietary channels, however, but also not pushing the new members to use them).



Proposal #2 ver 3

Whereas, the Monero core team has just launched a new forum tailored for Monero users;

Whereas, the MEW can start using the new forum without further implementation;

Whereas, directing new people to BCT is a shame due to high FUD content and low S/N ratio almost throughout;

Whereas, BCT remains an important place to have discussion and information faucet among Cryptoworld;

Whereas, an online virtual world "Crypto Kingdom" with XMR as the ingame currency has been announced to be developed by MEW activists;


Now, therefore, we decide that:

1) the MEW will, as soon as is practical, move its internal official communication including votes and such, to dedicated forum Monero.cc;

2) the MEW will encourage Monero users to migrate to the new forum by adding content there;

3) the MEW will encourage its members to continue posting also in the quality threads in BCT;

4) the MEW will encourage the developers of Crypto Kingdom to hasten their efforts in making this world launch to the players as soon as possible.

I don't entirely understand the rules, but my perception is that this is the "discussion" phase, with a voting phase to occur following?

10 votes supporting revised proposal #2

My vote is unchanged from earlier statement, but I was just unclear if I should reaffirm my vote following the proposal revision.
Feel free to delete if this post is redundant. Cheers!

510 votes

Support #2 ver 3

1,000 votes

To update an existing proposal.


Proposal text (#2 ver 3)

Whereas, the Monero core team has just launched a new forum tailored for Monero users;

Whereas, the MEW can start using the new forum without further implementation;

Whereas, directing new people to BCT is a shame due to high FUD content and low S/N ratio almost throughout;

Whereas, BCT remains an important place to have discussion and information faucet among Cryptoworld;

Whereas, an online virtual world "Crypto Kingdom" with XMR as the ingame currency has been announced to be developed by MEW activists;


Now, therefore, we decide that:

1) the MEW will, as soon as is practical, move its internal official communication including votes and such, to dedicated forum Monero.cc;

2) the MEW will encourage Monero users to migrate to the new forum by adding content there;

3) the MEW will encourage its members to continue posting also in the quality threads in BCT;

4) the MEW will encourage the developers of Crypto Kingdom to hasten their efforts in making this world launch to the players as soon as possible.

10 votes

discussion

I agree with smooth

510 votes

I would support #2 as revised above, with the condition that the discouragement of posting on "stupid threads" be removed or revised. That is too subjective, and I don't feel that participation in "unmoderated threads" should unconditionally be discouraged. For example, the XMR ANN thread has been of very high quality lately, and some users definitely prefer unmoderated threads.

1,000 votes

To update an existing proposal.

The launch of the Monero forum (monero.cc) has made it necessary to rewrite the proposal to take into account that there IS a dedicated forum already, and it does not need to be coded from scratch anymore. I decided to change the proposal #2 to reflect the current reality.


Proposal text (#2 ver 2)

Whereas, the Monero core team has just launched a new forum tailored for Monero users;

Whereas, the MEW can start using the new forum without further implementation;

Whereas, directing new people to BCT is a shame due to high FUD content and low S/N ratio almost throughout;

Whereas, BCT remains an important place to have discussion and information faucet among Cryptoworld;

Whereas, an online virtual world "Crypto Kingdom" with XMR as the ingame currency has been announced to be developed by MEW activists;


Now, therefore, we decide that:

1) the MEW will, as soon as is practical, move its internal official communication including votes and such, to dedicated forum Monero.cc;

2) the MEW will encourage Monero users to migrate to the new forum by adding content there;

3) the MEW will encourage its members to not post on stupid threads in BCT but continue to nurture the discussion on the moderated threads;

4) the MEW will encourage the developers of Crypto Kingdom to hasten their efforts in making this world launch to the players as soon as possible.

100 votes for #2.

The features of the new forum.monero.cc look very useful for keeping internal discussions well organized and more relevant without additional efforts for eliminating interventions of trolls.

The new forum are in deep need of organic ignition as well.

So moving will serve both goals while keeping the ability to broadcast important announcements and results on BCT.

200 votes.
I prefer it to stay here. Next discussion could be elsewhere (:cough:Monero forum:cough:).

12 votes

Discussion

Lots of thoughtful replies in this thread.  I'm not sure we will be able to iron out an all-encompassing strategy, though, even with votes.  I'd suspect that some things would happen organically over the next few months.  It might make more sense, with the new forum open, for all of us to make some time to be active in both forums and see what shakes out.

This thread was started before the new forum, so there was no choice at the time.  But I'd think that the new forum might actually be an excellent place for this discussion, as opposed to BCT.

Much of the other discussion in which I've engaged over the last few days, though, seem better fit for BCT.

Any chance of migrating this discussion?

QFT

110 Votes

Discussion and Support for proposal #1 with suggestions to make #2 acceptable.

ArticMine's position on this and mine are almost identical.  The interesting difference being that we are supporting different proposals.  I would be likely to shift to proposal #2 if a particular forum were designated, as well as a time period for matriculation of MEW business to the new forum.
forum.monero.cc would be an obvious choice.  Though it puts some burdens on the dev team who manage the site, maybe they can carve our a section for us?
Those are the sort of things I'd want to see determined ahead of voting to change. 
#2 would also be supportable the vote is for a non-binding "statement of intent to change forums" or similar.

Monero, and it's community are developing rapidly.  There will likely always be threads here, so long as there is a here, but having a place of our own would be a very good thing.

1,000 votes

Discussion/interrupt


I have suddenly found me with an interesting project related to Monero. I also support a complete rewrite of the communications strategy, but do not have time to do it myself now. What this means (luckily!) is that it's time for anyone to write a communications strategy proposal that takes into account the emergence of a new forum. Just read the OP and all the thread and make use of the old ones as much as is good, and post it here as "New Proposal". That's the way it goes!

More than half of the Discussion period (of 168 hours) is still in front of us, the system is designed to handle quick turns...

I think it's clear at this point we need to rephrase the vote options. If you agree with what I say and vote the other way than I do, it means we read different things in the same options. Maybe have more options to support, like:

1. Stay here completely, for the medium term. Do not use the Monero forum or only use it sparingly.
2. Keep public facing stuff here, private stuff on the Monero forum.
3. Let the market decide - in the meanwhile, there is going to be duplication and overhead to maintain two centres.
4. Start moving to the Monero forum now or immediately after a successful vote, close most threads here, keep the remaining ones as mostly-announcements, finish transition in ~1 month or so.
5. Move to the Monero forum immediately after a successful vote and keep a minimal presence here, or none at all.

My 100 votes would go with (4).

10 votes for #2.
I believe we should maintain a MEW thread on BTCT that's open to the public. This will allow for some outside opinions on current proposals and MEW in general,  and maybe prevent some of the echo chamber effect. It would also operate as the public face of MEW, and advertise the strong community behind Monero.

A private forum should exist where we can have discussions free of trolls, get down to serious business, more easily form subgroups, committees, and task forces, organize projects and campaigns, etc.

20 votes for proposal #1.


I like papa_lazzarou and xulescu's proposals. While proposal #2 is IMO in the long-term interest, I think Monero currently still needs the exposure that it receives here, and I'm unsure what the implications are of moving away from BTCTalk completely at this stage.

This is the crux of the issue. There are really two mostly distinct groups: People who are mainly interested in Monero and people who are interested in Monero but only as part of also being interested in other coins (especially Bitcoin, but not exclusively). A separate forum is obviously great for the first group, but much worse for the second group.

Do we have any market research as to the relative sizes of these groups, or projections how that might develop in the future?