100 votes for #2.
I propose we keep 2, maximum 3 threads open here and otherwise move to the Monero forum. Doing all interaction here is clearly past the point of diminishing returns. That being said, the exposure to The Hub Of Crypto is a tremendous value and also a way to accommodate those who are not mainly interested in Monero and do not wish to follow or sign up for another forum.
That being said, while I suggest starting moving now, I think it's a mistake to rush it. Once the decision to move is reached, either the move happens organically or there was a problem with the decision making and consensus was not actually achieved. Plus, given the Monero forum is proprietary code, there are surely rough edges, security weak points or scaling issues with the new software. Let's give it a few weeks to mature.
Topic: [ANN][MEW]Discussion&Vote #1 - Communication Strategy - Members only - page 3. (Read 4367 times)
October 08, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
October 08, 2014, 07:48:38 AM
210 Votes (100 existing, plus 110 pending) for Proposal #2
We should move to the new forum at https://forum.monero.cc if possible. Perhaps MEW could be given a subforum area? We could certainly inject some energy into the new forum.
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We should move to the new forum at https://forum.monero.cc if possible. Perhaps MEW could be given a subforum area? We could certainly inject some energy into the new forum.
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October 08, 2014, 04:41:02 AM
20 votes
Discussion
The fact that The Super Teamtm launched a cool dedicated forum changes this discussion.
I'd like to suggest a proposal where we should move our internal communication to the new forum while maintaining the monero announcement thread and a MEW thread for public communications/announcements.
This would have a number if benefits, namely:
- keep troll fodder to a minimum, as a simple discussion, or even a proposal for a discussion, may be hijacked to spread FUD. (aka The Emission Wars)
- prevent panic as simple statements are misconstrued to insurmountable obstacles that result in the eminent RIP of Monero. (aka The Great Funding Shortage)
- make troll control much more manageable because we would have less terrain to defend.
- maintain a good exposure to Monero and to MEW in their respective oficial threads.
Discussion
The fact that The Super Teamtm launched a cool dedicated forum changes this discussion.
I'd like to suggest a proposal where we should move our internal communication to the new forum while maintaining the monero announcement thread and a MEW thread for public communications/announcements.
This would have a number if benefits, namely:
- keep troll fodder to a minimum, as a simple discussion, or even a proposal for a discussion, may be hijacked to spread FUD. (aka The Emission Wars)
- prevent panic as simple statements are misconstrued to insurmountable obstacles that result in the eminent RIP of Monero. (aka The Great Funding Shortage)
- make troll control much more manageable because we would have less terrain to defend.
- maintain a good exposure to Monero and to MEW in their respective oficial threads.
October 07, 2014, 06:43:10 PM
100 votes for proposal #2
I agree with ArticMine's reasoning above. Proposal #2 is the long term solution and the move will happen when the time is right.
I agree with ArticMine's reasoning above. Proposal #2 is the long term solution and the move will happen when the time is right.
I think the proposals need to be made more specific.
We have two people here voting for #2 yet at the same time saying we should stay with #1 for now.
October 07, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
10 votes for proposal #2.
October 07, 2014, 02:25:46 PM
50 votes for proposal #2.
October 07, 2014, 12:09:03 PM
1,000 votes
Interrupt
Please before commenting at all to this thread, read the OP in its entirety. Otherwise your "contribution" is only detrimental to the way this important issue is being discussed and later, voted, and will be removed. This thread exists only for a specific purpose.
- Every comment must be preceded with the number of votes
- Every comment must be a new proposal, support of an existing proposal, discussion, or an interrupt
- Quoting previous person does not absolve you of the rules
/Risto, your new and eager Voting Coordinator.
Interrupt
Please before commenting at all to this thread, read the OP in its entirety. Otherwise your "contribution" is only detrimental to the way this important issue is being discussed and later, voted, and will be removed. This thread exists only for a specific purpose.
- Every comment must be preceded with the number of votes
- Every comment must be a new proposal, support of an existing proposal, discussion, or an interrupt
- Quoting previous person does not absolve you of the rules
/Risto, your new and eager Voting Coordinator.
October 07, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
The sooner the official XMR forum will offer interesting, competent and helpful content the better. We should work on having search engines point to XMR forums rather sooner than later as I reckon interested "fresh" people would be rather intimidated by coming from Google to the equivalent of a medieval bazaar that is BCT, especially the altcoin section.
That does of course not exclude the necessary exposure on Bitcontalk as the historical hub of all things crypto.
I could start creating a thread now, but since we decided for 168 hours then voting, we'd better wait the end of the vote to make any kind of official move.That does of course not exclude the necessary exposure on Bitcontalk as the historical hub of all things crypto.
Of couse, as individual, you can post whatever you want
October 07, 2014, 10:36:31 AM
The sooner the official XMR forum will offer interesting, competent and helpful content the better. We should work on having search engines point to XMR forums rather sooner than later as I reckon interested "fresh" people would be rather intimidated by coming from Google to the equivalent of a medieval bazaar that is BCT, especially the altcoin section.
That does of course not exclude the necessary exposure on Bitcontalk as the historical hub of all things crypto.
I could start creating a thread now, but since we decided for 168 hours then voting, we'd better wait the end of the vote to make any kind of official move.That does of course not exclude the necessary exposure on Bitcontalk as the historical hub of all things crypto.
Of couse, as individual, you can post whatever you want
October 07, 2014, 08:57:35 AM
50 votes for proposal #2.
most reasons have been mentioned already.
The sooner the official XMR forum will offer interesting, competent and helpful content the better. We should work on having search engines point to XMR forums rather sooner than later as I reckon interested "fresh" people would be rather intimidated by coming from Google to the equivalent of a medieval bazaar that is BCT, especially the altcoin section.
That does of course not exclude the necessary exposure on Bitcontalk as the historical hub of all things crypto.
most reasons have been mentioned already.
The sooner the official XMR forum will offer interesting, competent and helpful content the better. We should work on having search engines point to XMR forums rather sooner than later as I reckon interested "fresh" people would be rather intimidated by coming from Google to the equivalent of a medieval bazaar that is BCT, especially the altcoin section.
That does of course not exclude the necessary exposure on Bitcontalk as the historical hub of all things crypto.
October 07, 2014, 08:28:18 AM
I did not realize that we were not yet at the vote stage. Since this thread is titled "Discussion & Vote", I'm assuming that once the 168 hours are up, there will be some obvious "request for vote" post in this thread.
In any case, since the new forum is out, and also because of ArcticMine's excellent point, I'm leaning the other way (towards proposal 2).
In any case, since the new forum is out, and also because of ArcticMine's excellent point, I'm leaning the other way (towards proposal 2).
October 07, 2014, 04:59:36 AM
50 votes for proposal 2
with this addition: I think a few topics on BTCT are neccesary for exposure.
with this addition: I think a few topics on BTCT are neccesary for exposure.
October 07, 2014, 02:53:05 AM
1,000 votes
Interrupt (moderator action), to explain the voting process
Sure. This is not even voting, yet. This is just structural discussion that precedes voting and lasts for 7 days precisely for the reason that any good points would receive all the backing there is available, and any bad points would be exposed as bad. When this is over, then the voting may start, and even though there is 7 more days reserved, it is likely that in most cases the 51% required will be reached in express time.
The reason why I asked to introduce yourself with the number of votes is just the convenience to all readers.
Any support to any proposal in this stage is not binding.
The proposal texts are likely not the final ones. Existing proposals may be amended by their "owners". Anyone can propose a new text and can use an existing one as a basis (open source).
New points to "discussion" without connection to existing proposal texts are also much appreciated. Without this, the vote organizer (me) would have too much power in staging the scene as well as directing the discussion.
For practical reasons (and those alone), at present I don't support for changing the vote after the voting commences. When we get a state-of-the-art voting system that automatically calculates the votes, then I'll support it.
Interrupt (moderator action), to explain the voting process
I believe it is an important enough even to allow people to change their vote if they so desire.
Sure. This is not even voting, yet. This is just structural discussion that precedes voting and lasts for 7 days precisely for the reason that any good points would receive all the backing there is available, and any bad points would be exposed as bad. When this is over, then the voting may start, and even though there is 7 more days reserved, it is likely that in most cases the 51% required will be reached in express time.
The reason why I asked to introduce yourself with the number of votes is just the convenience to all readers.
Any support to any proposal in this stage is not binding.
The proposal texts are likely not the final ones. Existing proposals may be amended by their "owners". Anyone can propose a new text and can use an existing one as a basis (open source).
New points to "discussion" without connection to existing proposal texts are also much appreciated. Without this, the vote organizer (me) would have too much power in staging the scene as well as directing the discussion.
For practical reasons (and those alone), at present I don't support for changing the vote after the voting commences. When we get a state-of-the-art voting system that automatically calculates the votes, then I'll support it.
October 07, 2014, 01:43:11 AM
10 votes for proposal #2
No need to repeat reasons- plenty above by others.
No need to repeat reasons- plenty above by others.
October 06, 2014, 07:44:45 PM
200 votes for proposal #2 now that the official Monero forum is out (even though there is not yet any MEW section).
I believe it is an important enough even to allow people to change their vote if they so desire.
I believe it is an important enough even to allow people to change their vote if they so desire.
October 06, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
100 votes for proposal #2
I agree with ArticMine's reasoning above. Proposal #2 is the long term solution and the move will happen when the time is right.
I agree with ArticMine's reasoning above. Proposal #2 is the long term solution and the move will happen when the time is right.
October 06, 2014, 05:11:02 PM
40 votes.
Support for proposal #2
For the reasons stated above by ArticMine.
A simple forum doesn't cost much. In-fact, many CPU-miners must have enough server-capacity to host a dozen of forums.
We need to spread before suffocating under the crumbling of trolls, or before another BCX uses XMR as an excuse to increase his renown.
I also support #2 because it's more inclusive. Having a proper forum doesn't prevent us to post on BTC while deciding to stay exclusively on BTC prevent us to flee on a safe place whenever we feel the need.
EDIT: Oh well...: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9109547
https://forum.monero.cc/
Support for proposal #2
For the reasons stated above by ArticMine.
A simple forum doesn't cost much. In-fact, many CPU-miners must have enough server-capacity to host a dozen of forums.
We need to spread before suffocating under the crumbling of trolls, or before another BCX uses XMR as an excuse to increase his renown.
I also support #2 because it's more inclusive. Having a proper forum doesn't prevent us to post on BTC while deciding to stay exclusively on BTC prevent us to flee on a safe place whenever we feel the need.
EDIT: Oh well...: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9109547
https://forum.monero.cc/
October 06, 2014, 03:54:52 PM
1000 Votes.
Support for proposal #2
The crucial point to understand here is that while proposal #1 is a valid option in the short term it must be seen as an interim solution, with proposal #2 as the valid long term option. Proposal #2 calls for the MEW to move to dedicated forums when practical. "When practical" will be determined among other things by the creation a successful XMR forum. Given the choice between voting for the best short term option or the best long term solution I will always choose the best long term option. This follows the principle that when one takes care of the long term the short term will take care of itself, while the reverse is not the case.
The proposal I feel will have the best chance of consensus is to treat proposal #1 as an interim choice until it is practical to implement proposal #2 as the valid long term option.
Support for proposal #2
The crucial point to understand here is that while proposal #1 is a valid option in the short term it must be seen as an interim solution, with proposal #2 as the valid long term option. Proposal #2 calls for the MEW to move to dedicated forums when practical. "When practical" will be determined among other things by the creation a successful XMR forum. Given the choice between voting for the best short term option or the best long term solution I will always choose the best long term option. This follows the principle that when one takes care of the long term the short term will take care of itself, while the reverse is not the case.
The proposal I feel will have the best chance of consensus is to treat proposal #1 as an interim choice until it is practical to implement proposal #2 as the valid long term option.
October 06, 2014, 03:33:21 PM
10 votes for Proposal #1
It is the "quick 'n dirty" solution, but we need:
1. a place for structured discussions, irc does not fit this purpose (or just for ppl staying all day in) and we need it now
2. a public place for the discussions, to newbies not be excluded and to deprive steam pressure from boiling rumors and we need it now
3. the public feedback even of non-monerians (we want to catch them
) and we need it now
In mid-term there might be better solutions, but the development requires time and engagment, actually other issues have priority.
(my prophetic tomcat claims that the day will come, when BCT will be renamed in MonT, but he will not reveal to me when
)
It is the "quick 'n dirty" solution, but we need:
1. a place for structured discussions, irc does not fit this purpose (or just for ppl staying all day in) and we need it now
2. a public place for the discussions, to newbies not be excluded and to deprive steam pressure from boiling rumors and we need it now
3. the public feedback even of non-monerians (we want to catch them
) and we need it nowIn mid-term there might be better solutions, but the development requires time and engagment, actually other issues have priority.
(my prophetic tomcat claims that the day will come, when BCT will be renamed in MonT, but he will not reveal to me when
) October 06, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
10 votes for Proposal #1.
If it had not been for the altcurrencies subforum I would not have known about xmr.
If it had not been for the altcurrencies subforum I would not have known about xmr.
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