Topic: [ANN][MZC][SHA-256] MAZACOIN *First Sovereign Currency* ANDROID WALLET AVAIL.!! - page 33. (Read 278482 times)

It´s like - MZC is official currency - <= it was told by AP, Payu never said this

Check out this image. Does that look real to you?? Looks like photoshop to me. I'm not convinced that this beer was ever sold for Irishcoin. How hard would it of been to take a video with a phone and put it on youtube, and talk to the patron that just bought beer for Irishcoin supposedly? This was retweeted from the Mazacoin twitter, makes them both look like a scam.

Not sure yet, but it'll come soon enough! WHEN AP RETIRES FROM MZC
There only delaying the inevitable, AP has no  focus on MZC, only his next projects that he has lined up, he blames the community for ruining his reputation when he brought it on himself by "making" MZC, then Maplecoin  & Irishcoin....which claimed he is 50% Irish. FAIL....Look out for IraqCoin cuz he'll then claim he's 33% from there too. Also the threaten to sell the MZC project to a different tribe cuz Payu asked him to leave it....and his response to Payu was fuck off you RETARD, I own this coin and nobody else. So I say sooner the better he's gone.

when is the revival coming? 

I have a couple of ideas for the coin that I think will make it a very strong coin.  I did not share them on the Skype session.  I do not want to share them if they are not going to be acted on, because I will take them to a different coin in that case.

So, let me ask, how strong are you as a developer?  The distinctions could be, for example, you can use a text editor, change some constants, and build a new coin, or you have read the entire source and understand some of it, to you are an expert cryptanalyst, have a lot of network experience, and can change any aspect of the source and create a coin with distinctly different behaviors or novel user interface behavior.

I think it is important to avoid changes if it is at all possible.  People want their currency to be stable.

I don't see any reason to change the payout amount.  Think of it this way:

If I pay out 50 ABC per block, they can have some value, say it is 1.
If I pay out 5,000 ABC per block, they would then have a value 0.01, since there are 100X more of them.

The ABC currency can be a completely good currency either way.  The thing that the currency does, that is good, is to allow payments to be made quickly.  If the Lakota can, for example, put all of the tribal allotment into MZA payments to an address for each eligible recipient, then they have all at once made MZA a legitimate currency.  There needs to be support for this.  The gas station and the grocery store need to be able and willing to accept MZA.

The exchange rate simply does not matter, so long as it is stable. 

I wish I could "Like" this.  My involvement has been announced from the official twitter and AP has updated the website to make mention of it.   I am working on getting goals together and some sort of timeline if we can get one together.  I'm still just coming into the project from the dev side (even though I've been around the project from launch) and I'm trying to come into it quickly and get things put together so we will have something to show for the coin and fix anything that may need to be fixed.   Hopefully I'll have some news within the next few days.

Fair do's.... some consistency would be good.... although if the coin design is flawed... then there would be nothing wrong with fixing it... what is the point in having a technology that has the ability to adapt if the ability is not used when needed

I think it is fair to say that thus far the coin has not done what was expected , for various reasons... this must be the case, unless the coin was designed to crash as it has done?   if AP/Payu/yourself have a sound logic and plan that you can explain, in words and figures to everyone,  that bares out the original design laid out in the white paper, and you can show with numbers and projections and logic that there is a mathematical base that this can grow on... then thats great.. please share?    If not and it can be accepted that the coin could be improved... then maybe that would be the right choice?   A fork does not necessarily have to equal scam. As I said there is little point in having a coin that has the function to  be changed, to adapt, to fix itself, to fork... if it is not used IF and WHEN it becomes needed.

Eitherway , fork or no fork, the added communication is something.. though it would help if the added communication were to have some coherence ..
right now it seems like different groups pulling in different directions...  I really hope that the communication continues, though it would be nice to have it mirrored in the offical twitter page/website.  The sad thing is that open communication, from the get go , with investors and with this forum could have saved so much hassle.  

 We are all waiting to hear about official developments from the tribe in their stance to this coin..  that along with consistent action and communication along with a hard look at if the coin desgin is fit for intended purpose - are what is needed with this coin... also to leverage the community ... those that have not already had enough and sold up and quit.  Really - the great logo that was desgined , should we not revisit this now and get it used? for just one example of using the community as a resource? (devs,designers,PR people, tech support etc)

As for official news regarding the tribe adopting the coin- is this not a horse before the cart situation ? what is the incentive to adopt a crypto that is so unstable and worth so very little?  however the official stamp would make a HUGE difference to this coin...   also why are people not kept more informed about these developments? should there not be a consistent push to make this happen? and if there is then why do we not know about it? it is no good to just dangle a carrot... even the donkey gets wise in the end.

 Does the current dev team have the skill set? the community, the resources , the support, the drive and the vision to execute this project? good intentions are not enough.. and frankly the communication and maybe the execution of the project thus far has bordered on total disrespect for the entire project and the community and the Lakota... and the KEY thing that could have alleviated most of this, would have been keeping people in the loop, proper communication about the challenges and problems the coin faces.

This coin has incredible potential and a true cause...  like I said Payu & co please do continue to engage the community... be open, be realistic,make a hard plan with set goals and a endgame,  take actions, make them count...  leverage the community, we can help , keep us in the loop.

The Skype group had been talking to Payu and I think he's been torn.  He has never decided 100% to fork the coin away from AP, and I think AP and I have come up with some plans to help make some changes to the coin without changing the overall economics of the coin, it will just extend coin creation out over extra years, changing the total coin count and drastically changing the block reward would only scream scam and the dev team would lose any trust it has left that it can maintain consistency in the coin design.

I do like the idea of doing a percentage of each block to the tribal trust, but have to make sure we do it in a way that we can keep trust of the miners and investors in the coin, we also still have to have discussions about this topic.

Very good, Support!

ok.... so it seems it is as I thought- the ''Skype'' forking group are not actually working with Payu then... or at least the hardfork is not agreed with - this is some kinda takeover .... has one of these ever worked? from what I can see the group has also been blagging -  making promises they are in no position to make happen... AP seems to really not give a fuck- I can see why people are against him- but I had a feeling that unless Payu is really on board with a fork - it will not happen.. Payu is the connection to the Lakota..

forking hell!

there are several millions Mazacoins with a decision to make and soon...

because this is now taking the piss- out of the concept, the goal, the Lakota, the investors...well just about everyone..


Actions- with clarity, honour, openness, a goal, and with a sense of urgency are what is needed....

and it is needed now.

Payu- take control of this!!!!

I'd support that - it makes the link between this coin and it's intended use much clearer.

How about half the block reward going to the miner and the other half being divided equally among all the tribes that adopt mazacoin as an official currency?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g7LkOgTGeY

Payu Harris1 month ago
 
+Some constructive criticism with regards to PR:  Use the "BTC Oyate Project Twitter to promote BTC adoption and educate,"
Ok this twitter account was hijacked...by who?  one of the "People wanting to help mazacoin"  THATS why nothing from me has been on it...
  "Take down Mazacoin.org, it is unworthy of such an ambitious project and allow Mazatalk.com to be the official website, they understand the value of positive PR and production values"
Yes I agree mazacointalk is a good looking effective site...and I support it...AGAIN  AP is not a web designer...so to get a good website team takes...$$$....
"Take down Kimitsu Asset Management, it looks like a scam"
Kimitsu Asset Management was in the beginning set to be a site much like Havelock Investments, AGAIN...getting that operational  takes more then just me....
"focus on the charitable initiative"
Working on that...Im the one out shaking hands and talking with program directors and people about the Mazacoin grant program  that takes person to person contact so again...im SOLO here....if there were 12 of me..things would get done faster....
"Take down that weird profile of you on that Asian dating website, you are a public figure now."
WHAT profile on a asian dating site?? I have a personal FB page.. email me a link to it and I'll look into it 
"Disassociate Mazacoin from the Free Lakota Bank."
Ok now this one I agree with...
"Dissociate Mazacoin from crypto-direct."
Nope...They were there from the Start and even though people may not like AP or his methods, Ideology, or choice of breakfast cereal, he was the one that stepped up and helped get Mazacoin coded and started...im not bailing on the people that stood by me from the start
"Become a legal entity with a charitable status and accountable management, not an anonymous dev."
mazacoin has no intention of becoming a US controlled 501 c 3 charity...as far as accountable management... We're in the process of working on a structure for that..

So I'll assume for the moment that you actually have had these talks and that this rogue skype group isn't being honest about a division between Payu and AP.  As far as I'm concerned I don't see how you save this coin without a hard fork that signals a new direction for this coin and you probably just have one chance to get it right. Whether it's merge mining, block halving, or even some 'tax' that reserves a portion of the mining reward for the Lakota somehow, one or a combination of these things really has to happen.  Even demonstrating that a technical team is capable of agreeing on a direction for this coin and implementing some meaningful change would restore some confidence.

From my current impressions talking to both AP and Payu, Payu is still allowing AP to do the work on the coin, I think we are heading in the right direction now, but there appears to be some of these guys on Skype that have convinced themselves they are going to fork the project themselves.  I don't believe Payu is behind them 100% at this point, if that were the case I would hope he would have mentioned it to me, but the impression I got is the Skype group is not going to take control of Maza at this time, as it would require a fork to a new github, new twitter, new domain, and would require all pool owners and exchanges to voluntarily agree to take that fork rather than the one currently around and that wouldn't go away with the fork.  Forking it like that would be a mess and we are going to be answering some of the issues with MazaCoin development and like I said, I will be the liaison for the development team to the community.  This way anything that you guys need/want I can filter through and respond to accordingly.  Rest assured we are working for the good of the coin, and for the Lakota.

Well I thought Payu was tweeting from that account, if not then you'll have to make another one, as for the website I should think that Payu owns the domain and can direct to another website, if not there will have to be another domain as well.. So if AP is going to just use these things as leverage you will have to stop dealing with him and get these new assets in place before the 16th.  One thing I thought did not help a while back was this Maplecoin business, I guess that was all this AP guy using the MZC twitter to promote that as well... Again, it is better to co-ordinate this stuff in the open I'm sure you will find more people to help out now the situation is a little clearer.

thanks for the infos...

So.. howcome there is now discussion about these changes on the twitter page? are you able to post to the twitter account?

is AP still onboard? and if so what are his intentions now?

Is Payu in control of this or not?

Someone who send you message was right......

Actually there was "crisis" last week becouse everyone push AP to leave us and he is turning to crazy. He treatened us to destroy coin but in time new dev team copied whole resources - github so actually we can work without him but Twitter ( https://twitter.com/MazaCoin) and website ( http://mazacoin.org/) still own AP and he refused several times to give it only Payu as Lakota representative.

This isn´t still solved for 100% but actually we work by ourselves without AP´s discuss - actually his power is nothing he can do anything

We have also discused FORK thing and actually it seems that we have dealed on reducing mining reward not mzc supply.

We also preparing real Android wallet, new-websites and much more without AP and under Lakota´s control.

About price : There will be big meeting at 16th this month and it expect big attention from wide Lakota society. Also fork which is soon prepared can also help to grow up price & attention - maybe some pump will be expected in that time

Than we spoke about future plans and things like that


Shortly said from skype´s group

Somebody just sent me a PM asking if I wanted to join this skype group, and said there was an crisis whereby AP is holding the twitter account and website hostage or something and Payu needs help - but I don't want to play games in chatrooms - I don't see a better place than right here to be honest about difficulties facing the coin, it's not too late for the developers to post here and engage us directly.