Topic: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships - page 59. (Read 238907 times)

There is no ASIC bubble. The only way ASICs could affect the price in any predictable way is through misunderstandings such as you are demonstrating.

It is asic bubble. Like nasdaq dotcoms in 2000th

Huge expectations, huge disappointments.

Why are all the ASIC vendors so shady? They're building BTC mining devices not thermonuclear warheads. Stop with the secrecy, excuses, and bs and tell people what is going on already.

I have raised the alert status of Avalon to Defcon 3.



Bitsyncom is logging in every few hours. But is apparently ignoring the clamor for a status update.

If that was the case then they just nationalized the factory and are pumping out thousands an hour and their setting them all up to do a 51% attack. The USA government will take it as an attack and blame it on Iran hackers and then Russia and China will defend Iran from US then WW3.

All because of no fucken tracking numbers. 

More importantly, Lancelot/Icarus were multi purpose technology. Avalon chips function only as cryptography processing devices, so it does make sense that there would be no special scrutiny attached to the previous boards from ngzhang. Still, the silence is deafening

Lancelot/Icarus were small scale operations, coordinated from a guy's bedroom/living room. The packages were taken to the Post Office with a moped, they were small and didn't have that much of a dollar value attached, at least not the value Avalons carry. So it's very likely they didn't draw that much of an attention. The story is different for Avalon. However, I really wish that getting stuck in customs on the shipping end is not the case here, otherwise everyone is in for a bit of a wait. I still think these kind of problems are unlikely, I can't see why they would go in that much detail when describing the units for customs, they could just as easily export them as some sort of rack mountable computer. It's simple, it's inconspicuous and better yet, it's true. It's more likely that there are some snags with shipping the units in general - no transport/shipping companies are busy/customs are busy, stuff like that. But I'm speculating too. I, too, don't see this as a scam and it's hardly been a week since they started shipping ops, so I'll give it some more time before I start questioning their honesty.

I totally agree that China is a heavy-surveillance state. However, you probably only learn it from newspapers or films without much first-hand experience. I am pretty sure that no one in the Chinese government would care the domestic shipping of Avalon. If bitcoin had already caught their attention, the first thing they would do is to deny the access to bitcoin.org and this forum.

And don't forget, they shipped Icarus and Lancelot without ANY problem, domestic or overseas!

That implies zero internal security, and we all know China is a heavy-surveillance state.

It would not be unheard of for the entire batch to await approval, foreign or domestic.  State security looks at the cryptography devices, and gives a yes-or-no answer for the entire hardware type.

Again, I have to emphasize that "export control" is not a founded reason because no one in China has received it.

From: http://bbs.btcman.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=1232&pid=9153


Translation:


Shenyu should be a prestigious Chinese bitcoiner.

At this moment, however, there's still no end-user report from China.

Very existential.  Do I exist?  That is something I must ponder at length.


In the mean time, put down the crack pipe / energy drink and take a deep breath.  In the real world -- i.e. the world outside a teenaged troll's bedroom, the world outside the Internet -- manufacturing and shipping and customs and all that jazz can take weeks for a first run product.  This is not Amazon.com, where products have already been shipped to warehouses weeks or months before your order.

Cryptography is most definitely "export controlled", which means the government pays very close attention to it.  In fact, in the United States, cryptography software was considered "export grade munitions" until year 1996 or so.  Exporting PGP software to Canada required as much paperwork in 1990 as exporting a rocket laucher w/ rockets.

If in the worst case, Avalon is a scam, we cannot rightly be suspicious for a few more weeks yet.  And for the record, I do not think Avalon or BFL are scams at this time.

It is still a race between BFL and Avalon at this point, and -- as we see -- any number of factors may impact the outcome.

P.S. DISCLAIMER: I don't know anything more than you guys do, on this thread, with regards to shipping, customs and arrival.  All of this is speculation, even if it is a bit more informed speculation than most in this thread

So far as I know,  Yifu Guo has different roots... as does has ngzhang.

Perhaps I should have specified it's not the company's incorporated address but the people that work there that creates the culture?

Chinese customs hold the bag 
poorly customs

I'm just waiting to hear the update that the Chinese government has determined that these are too powerful to export and they are stuck in customs until after the CNY . . . but we really shipped the units out when we said we did.

Pardo,

Have you received your tracking number?

P.S. Already subscribed and re-subscribed lots of times.

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In other words, they have already shipped without customer(s) picking the transit options.

Seems like Bitsyncom shipped in whatever manner they chose.

BitSyncom said they are shipping at a rate of 12 per day and were already up to 40 on Jan 22nd... so no, they are not waiting to see if the 1st 2 ASICs make it safe through customs...

Will we reach one week from the shipping date without any proof and without any comment?

How do they think to sell us a second batch?