Has anyone seen 'the bitcoin show' episode with Yifu? I'm watching it now... Lol, remember Bruce? I wonder who he's scamming these days.
December 22, 2011
Topic: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships - page 61. (Read 238907 times)
December 22, 2011
Has anyone seen 'the bitcoin show' episode with Yifu? I'm watching it now... Lol, remember Bruce? I wonder who he's scamming these days.
Bitcoin show? Link please
Has anyone seen 'the bitcoin show' episode with Yifu? I'm watching it now... Lol, remember Bruce? I wonder who he's scamming these days.
To someone that knows it, is it normal for a parcel shipped with a 100$ DHL service or so to take 2 weeks to reach the old continent from China?
Can't get a clue over it.
Can't get a clue over it.
I just got two orders in from China to two different continents. paid a little more than $100. DHL is the only way to go for speed out of China. FedEx blows, always 2 days behind and they cost more. Took 2 days for one, and 3 days for the other. The only way for Avalon to be taking so long is 1) it doesn't exist and never shipped 2) it's held in customs for inspection.
I called BS on this from the beginning. Check out the company rep's username, you can abbreviate it "BS" cuz they're trolling the fact that they managed this scam...
Avalon never existed. Just trolling the fanboys for their BTC. Grrr, angry at BFL, me go get scammed by fake company instead! Preach for months how great it is when it's obvious that Avalon doesn't even exist.
Tracking number would show any customs delays, almost never happens with DHL anyway... Oh, wait, they haven't given a tracking number...
Are you charged at more than 25cents per KWh?
Yes, but I don't think you understand my point...
At 15 USD/BTC. .14 USD/kWh. Cooling accounted as an additional 1/3 of primary kWh usage.
At 1300 TH an Avalon 66 GH model generates roughly half the revenue of a a BFL SC 60 GH model. The difference being approx.
Of course a MUCH higher BTC price will negate that 
You mean would negate that. There is no guarantee it will be higher 
Though I do believe value will continue to rise.
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400w * 24 is roughly 9.6Kwh; @ 25 cents; or about $2.40 per day. (Worst case scenario)
400w * 24 is roughly 9.6Kwh; @ 9.5 cents; or about $0.91 per day. (Best case scenario)
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Actually, the relevance to that is ... what will they make per day.400w * 24 is roughly 9.6Kwh; @ 25 cents; or about $2.40 per day. (Worst case scenario)
400w * 24 is roughly 9.6Kwh; @ 9.5 cents; or about $0.91 per day. (Best case scenario)
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Yes up front the people who get the first devices will make a lot more, but once ASIC devices are in everyone's hands (who knows when that will be ...), a 60GH/s device in the not too distant future will be roughly the same as an 800MH/s FPGA/GPU now ................. just with over double the entry cost ... and half the BTC return since before the halving ...
Though a price war in the future, if 2 companies release, may lower that up front cost
I'm actually not really sure where these arguments about W are coming from.
It seems pretty straight forward to me.
Hash rate is the first thing that matters early on due to the difficulty ramp up, then long term (after difficulty rises) W will play a big part since everyone will have (very roughly) around the same Hash rate per device cost.
Of course a MUCH higher BTC price will negate that
That is extremely unfortunate.
Another ASIC bail out...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/deepbit-reclaimer-asic-prepare-refunds-139089
Wait, so Tycho's ASIC project bit the dust too? Shit, it means we're only left with BFL and Avalon? Must be some sort of ASICurse afoot. If one more craps up we're gonna have a monopoly.
Are you charged at more than 25cents per KWh?
Yes, but I don't think you understand my point...
The point is, it is a few cents of difference between the two rigs. Is it Eco friendly? Certainly not.
I think that BFL is a lot more economical in terms of power use. (assuming they aren't way off like last time)
The reasoning being pushed by BFL's Josh as a "strong point" is pertinent to the 60Gh/s+ devices when they are barely producing anything per day. But by then, it makes little sense to continue running them. (well, at least to me anyway)
What scales of economy are we talking about? A dollar a day. Or about 1/18th of a Bitcoin.
I don't intend to turn it on to earn 2 dollars a day (or 1/9th of a Bitcoin). Perhaps you have a different opinion on that. If that is the scenario we are talking about, then I'd be better off leaving it off and saving the carbon footprint.
Are you charged at more than 25cents per KWh?
Yes, but I don't think you understand my point...
What you leave out is what that span of time actually is. Some estimates are 2.5 years for an Avalon unit at a specific rate of rising difficulty. A BFL Single SC may become unprofitable in 3 years. So you gain about 6 months...maybe slightly longer.
Wow. You think a four (being generous here, could be 6) fold difference in power usage only means a 20% difference in how long it's profitable?
400w * 24 is roughly 9.6Kwh; @ 25 cents; or about $2.40 per day. (Worst case scenario)
400w * 24 is roughly 9.6Kwh; @ 9.5 cents; or about $0.91 per day. (Best case scenario)
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You were saying, Nathan?
What you leave out is what that span of time actually is. Some estimates are 2.5 years for an Avalon unit at a specific rate of rising difficulty. A BFL Single SC may become unprofitable in 3 years. So you gain about 6 months...maybe slightly longer.
Wow. You think a four (being generous here, could be 6) fold difference in power usage only means a 20% difference in how long it's profitable?
@PuertoLibre
@Inaba
Is it possible, that you open your own thread to discharge your dispute?
It stinks slowly, that you fill up each thread with your fight garbage!
Thanks in advance!
@Inaba
Is it possible, that you open your own thread to discharge your dispute?
It stinks slowly, that you fill up each thread with your fight garbage!
Thanks in advance!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-inaba-vs-puertolibre-bickering-thread-139088
hopefully we can get this thread back on topic (AVALON for those who have seemingly forgotten) and let these guys cockstrut elsewhere
Still nothing!! ?? Could anyone tell whats going on with shipped units..!!
@ BitSyncom
Since you have time to answer all the really nice questions above;
Maybe you have also the time to answer this?
-How many units have you ship so far
-and how much is the expected daily capacity before the CNY?
Or is it a trade secret?
Thanks for your time.
Since you have time to answer all the really nice questions above;
Maybe you have also the time to answer this?
-How many units have you ship so far
-and how much is the expected daily capacity before the CNY?
Or is it a trade secret?
Thanks for your time.
around 12 a day currently, so total about 40, however I am seriously unsure how many actually made it outside of the country, I'll be giving Jeffs tracking number soon as I get it, during business hours I call the people handling the shipping every 2 hours or so for updates.
We are seriously bottle necked by Customs at the moment ( due to upcoming CNY as well ) and are looking for more routes, it isn't really a trade secret as this is honestly beyond our control at this point. God, I hate sounding like BFL.
Hello BitSyncom
Currently you should send us about 72+ Avalons.
Are there any reasons why:
- No one has been received the tracking/shipping numbers yet ?
- No one has been "shipped" status on their order account ?
Could you please announce the order numbers that you have already shipped at least on every evening?
So we could know the units are on the way and whether it will have chance to be sent out before the CNY.
Please feel free to announce this information through this forum or over your Avalon-website.
I very much appreciate your respond, thank you!
Tinua
Thank you for your comments!
This is real customer service!
@PuertoLibre
@Inaba
Is it possible, that you open your own thread to discharge your disput?
It stinks slowly, that you fill up each thread with your fight garbage!
Thanks in advance!
@Inaba
Is it possible, that you open your own thread to discharge your disput?
It stinks slowly, that you fill up each thread with your fight garbage!
Thanks in advance!
Ehi look a BFL guy insulting people
It is the difference between an EOL (End of Life) product that still producing a measly $2.50 per day in 2 or 3 years (from today) versus a unit that will meet the wall of profitability sooner because it consumes more energy. Perhaps 6 months sooner than a BFL device in 2 or 3 years.
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You are like a used car sales man. Your giving facts that suit you and a bonus feature that few would consider that good of a bonus.
In practical (and sensible) applications, no one would keep a 60+Gh/s unit that produces less than 2 dollars a day (2 or 3 years down the road). By then, you will have resold or swapped out to a second or third gen device.
6 months of extra (marginal) mining....some three years down the road is hardly a concern on my mind.
And this is all assuming the Avalon platform doesn't have specific features that change the equation to make it more profitable in different ways. Of which I can only speculate like any other individual.
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You are like a used car sales man. Your giving facts that suit you and a bonus feature that few would consider that good of a bonus.
In practical (and sensible) applications, no one would keep a 60+Gh/s unit that produces less than 2 dollars a day (2 or 3 years down the road). By then, you will have resold or swapped out to a second or third gen device.
6 months of extra (marginal) mining....some three years down the road is hardly a concern on my mind.
And this is all assuming the Avalon platform doesn't have specific features that change the equation to make it more profitable in different ways. Of which I can only speculate like any other individual.
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