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Topic: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB - page 15. (Read 251998 times)

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June 04, 2013, 01:40:03 PM
I get around 1 HW error per 1-2 hours.
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June 04, 2013, 01:08:25 PM
I wonder why the "spikey" heat sink was replaced with a flat piece of aluminum?  Wouldn't the spikey one conduct heat away from the device better?  Or perhaps it didn't make any different during testing?  It wouldn't even be an issue except for the 1-2 percent hardware errors that they get. Maybe someone can sell us an after-market heatsink.
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June 04, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Low compared to the potential at the time.  When Bitcoin was in its infancy, one supercomputer could have wiped it out.  The network had a low hashrate at that time.  The hashrate is now such that a large number of supercomputers together still couldn't compete with the network, so the hashrate is much higher.  With ASICs, it will even be higher, such that the only way to 51% is to either be centralized or to obtain specialized chips in extreme quantity (as opposed to utilizing existing powerful hardware).  At the moment, the hashrate is very high.  When ASICs flood the market, today's hashrate will be very low comparatively.  Low and High are definitely relative; but that doesn't make them meaningless.
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June 04, 2013, 10:57:37 AM

All of this is true, but these people are helping secure the bitcoin network by adding to the network hashrate. We should be encouraging this kind of behavior Wink

This is a common fallacy in bitcoin propaganda. There is no secure bonus with higher hashrates. The network keeps secure by an adequate balance of difficulty and hashrate. And this balance is guaranteed by the algorithm, not the miners.

Disagree.  51% becomes more and more difficult the more hashrate + higher distribution. 

I agree with higher distribution.

But not with higher hashrates. In fact, now we are in much more higher risks of 51% attack due to the almost centralised production of ASICs. If some ASIC maker would take over bitcoin the cards are on her hand.


True.  Which is why it's a combination of high hashrate plus high distribution.  If you have low hashrate and high distribution, it's easy to take 51%.  If you have high hashrate but low distribution, then it's also easy to take 51%.  You need HIGH hashrate AND HIGH distribution.  Only both makes it secure.

In fact, there is no such things "low/high hashrates". Low, high... compared to what!? In every moment you have the hashrate the actual technology allows, so it is evenly difficult to take 51% whatever the hashrate is.
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June 04, 2013, 10:24:32 AM
Ok, maybe for small companies. The smallest I worked for was 1500 employees, the biggest 250000.
I once worked at a Fortune 100 biotech company where intellectual property was a primary asset and they didn't block outbound traffic, nor did they monitor use of USB devices like thumb drives to prevent theft of data. At the other end of the spectrum, I also currently work with a company of just 40 people that goes so far as to literally unsolder WiFi and Bluetooth components in company laptops to prevent use of wireless snooping by neighbors in the office complex (this is my favorite client to visit, btw, they're an engineering and robotics lab)... so there is definitely a large variance in paranoia levels out there Wink
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June 04, 2013, 10:14:16 AM
Ok, maybe for small companies. The smallest I worked for was 1500 employees, the biggest 250000.
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June 04, 2013, 10:12:05 AM
Maybe depending on the country you live in. Haven't seen a workplace where port 8332 would be allowed in 10 years as a consultant. But I am pretty sure a pool on 443 or 80 will work. Oh and what about admin rights to install the drivers??

I'll certainly give you admin rights (didn't realize these required non-standard drivers), but in my experience, even with some very large corporations I've dealt with, most companies do not block outbound traffic but instead rely on traffic analysis at the gateway to determine inbound threats. The key here is to remember that most companies are not "very large corporations". Most companies are under 500 seats, and use off-the-shelf components with default settings, configured only minimally for their own use case, such as a VPN. And rarely do I come upon any medium-sized company (and never once a smaller one of <100) with an IT group "good" enough to block all outbound traffic by default. It all comes down to management's willingness to allow employees to do things on company systems - and most of the time, they don't care as long as it's not porn or filesharing. See: the rising popularity of BYOD.
legendary
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June 04, 2013, 10:05:26 AM
Heck, you can run one on your work PC unaware to anyone else. 

While visibly true, it's not recommended.  The different network traffic should raise suspicions and any good IT dept should know what USB devices are being used or be blocking "unsanctioned" USB devices from being used on PCs.  333mh/s isn't worth your job.

M

I AM the IT dept!  lol  I do agree for most users though.

Still.. I stand by my statement, 333mh/s isn't worth your job.

M
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June 04, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Heck, you can run one on your work PC unaware to anyone else. 

While visibly true, it's not recommended.  The different network traffic should raise suspicions and any good IT dept should know what USB devices are being used or be blocking "unsanctioned" USB devices from being used on PCs.  333mh/s isn't worth your job.

M

I AM the IT dept!  lol  I do agree for most users though.
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June 04, 2013, 09:57:52 AM
Because it happens soooo often, right Wink

Well, the power here is reasonably reliable, only about 3 outages lasting more than 20 minutes or so in the 5 years we've been here - the ADSL on the other hand is completely crap, so, yes, it does!
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Supersonic
June 04, 2013, 09:54:23 AM
all of my family members have small file servers

Sounds like a fun family to be a member of..
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June 04, 2013, 09:48:22 AM
Because it happens soooo often, right Wink
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June 04, 2013, 09:39:55 AM
2.5W, so around 1.9 kWh per month. Like 50 Eurocent in Germany.

For me it's also about spreading out the network load a bit, I don't want all my hashing power at home in case of power or network outage, all of my family members have small file servers, so (with permission!) I have redundancy in my hashing power.
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June 04, 2013, 09:38:52 AM
2.5W, so around 1.9 kWh per month. Like 50 Eurocent in Germany.
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June 04, 2013, 09:27:42 AM
Maybe depending on the country you live in. Haven't seen a workplace where port 8332 would be allowed in 10 years as a consultant. But I am pretty sure a pool on 443 or 80 will work. Oh and what about admin rights to install the drivers??
sr. member
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June 04, 2013, 09:21:40 AM
Heck, you can run one on your work PC unaware to anyone else. 

While visibly true, it's not recommended.  The different network traffic should raise suspicions and any good IT dept should know what USB devices are being used or be blocking "unsanctioned" USB devices from being used on PCs.  333mh/s isn't worth your job.

M
Most places don't have a good IT department Wink

/IT pro for 15 years, now turned consultant
legendary
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June 04, 2013, 09:14:43 AM
Heck, you can run one on your work PC unaware to anyone else. 

While visibly true, it's not recommended.  The different network traffic should raise suspicions and any good IT dept should know what USB devices are being used or be blocking "unsanctioned" USB devices from being used on PCs.  333mh/s isn't worth your job.

M
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June 04, 2013, 08:49:42 AM
People are buying them for the power savings, both in the sense of saving money and being able to add more hashrate then you otherwise could on your house circuits. Much smarter than the GPU route. Heck, you can run one on your work PC unaware to anyone else. 
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June 04, 2013, 08:41:56 AM

All of this is true, but these people are helping secure the bitcoin network by adding to the network hashrate. We should be encouraging this kind of behavior Wink

This is a common fallacy in bitcoin propaganda. There is no secure bonus with higher hashrates. The network keeps secure by an adequate balance of difficulty and hashrate. And this balance is guaranteed by the algorithm, not the miners.

Disagree.  51% becomes more and more difficult the more hashrate + higher distribution. 

I agree with higher distribution.

But not with higher hashrates. In fact, now we are in much more higher risks of 51% attack due to the almost centralised production of ASICs. If some ASIC maker would take over bitcoin the cards are on her hand.


True.  Which is why it's a combination of high hashrate plus high distribution.  If you have low hashrate and high distribution, it's easy to take 51%.  If you have high hashrate but low distribution, then it's also easy to take 51%.  You need HIGH hashrate AND HIGH distribution.  Only both makes it secure.
legendary
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June 04, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Yep, 40-45­°C for 3 months here in central Australia will do that Smiley

It gets that hot in Ottawa in the summer... but with humidity Wink
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