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legendary
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March 29, 2013, 05:55:06 PM
#72
Trid to sign up but I received the message: "We were not able to create your account."

What are your requirements for a business? Is being registered as an LLC enough?

My best guess is that you have to demonstrate significant financial means.  Maybe over $1,000,000 net worth to fiddle around with.  Either I didn't make the cut or they are not doing business yet.  Dunno.  I've not heard anything back.  I'll likely be inserting 1000 BTC of liquidity into the markets in the next few years, and it will probably be either through Tradehill or Coinlab, but I'm probably still a bad customer since I don't like to trade (even getting nicked for 0.2% makes me feel like a fool.)

Maybe you'll find a pallet of $20's over there and will be able to play ball in the new Bitcoin league Smiley

legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
March 29, 2013, 05:41:16 PM
#71
Trid to sign up but I received the message: "We were not able to create your account."

What are your requirements for a business? Is being registered as an LLC enough?
sr. member
Activity: 398
Merit: 250
March 26, 2013, 11:37:18 PM
#70
Can't find any info on the public API. Do you guys have one already?
I was just planning to add Tradehill to BTCCharts but I don't see any trades API. Let me know when there's one avaliable.
donator
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March 26, 2013, 04:04:53 PM
#69
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Very nice, looking forward to seeing LTC Smiley

We'll take a good look at it and make a decision before too long.
We spent a lot of time preparing for this from a legal / tech perspective so we'll be able to add features quickly.

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Jered

Welcome back! Seems that starting with hedge fund type clients is a good way to go, if they & the US regulators are happy with your set up this time then I expect it will be extremely secure for smaller traders/investors when you open up for them as well.

LTC  too please ~  "They're Gr-r-reat!" Tongue
eof
full member
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March 20, 2013, 12:29:35 AM
#68
I'm on the fence, but leaning toward you all. What's paramount is that all those who are owed money from the past get paid.

Good luck, guys.

~Bruno K~

I can confirm that Jered paid back a 25btc account after a year or more of just sitting idle.  This was only a couple weeks ago, and I asked him during that process if Tradehill was coming back and he said he could not confirm nor deny; glad it is confirmed.

I really respect that everyone has been paid; and I suspect the few who haven't will be.
legendary
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March 19, 2013, 05:24:31 PM
#67

What about liquidity. Cutting off the small players from the set go seems a little bit of a risky way to get started again. Or perhaps not - at least heavy marketing is needed to achive liquidity on such an exchange.

Would it not be better to run two exchanges then, with one for the 'normal folks', then another one that feeds off the liquidity of the first exchange, but has extra premium customer service/brokers that I guess rich people like to have ?

Good question.  Of course I cannot speak for Tradehill-II (and probably should not be spamming their thread) but my personal opinion is that there is no reason why large-cap speculators won't be selling as much as they are buying when things reach a steady state.  And it's also more than likely that arbitrage will crop up any time there is an opportunity there which would siphon liquidity to wherever it is needed.

Anyway, as more vendors accept BTC the BTC flow would probably be outward from exchanges to small fry, then be combined by payment processors and put back on the market in larger chunks.  Again, just my guesses about how things will evolve over the near-to-mid term.

hero member
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March 19, 2013, 04:01:59 PM
#66
My advice is, do not use tradehill they are scammer imo.

It's actually kinda dumb to scam relatively rich people, and as the thread indicates, these folks are the highest priority for the re-boot of Tradehill.  Many people with real money tend to have the potential to achieve what they want to achieve (else they would not have gotten rich) and also have the resources to deploy in various efforts.  Besides, if one manages to obtain a portion of the high-end market share in the Bitcoin exchange space at this time, one could possibly do pretty well being on the up-and-up.

But I'd be interested to hear the basis of 'yo'.  If you have an interesting one at least.



What about liquidity. Cutting off the small players from the set go seems a little bit of a risky way to get started again. Or perhaps not - at least heavy marketing is needed to achive liquidity on such an exchange.

Would it not be better to run two exchanges then, with one for the 'normal folks', then another one that feeds off the liquidity of the first exchange, but has extra premium customer service/brokers that I guess rich people like to have ?
legendary
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March 19, 2013, 03:45:08 PM
#65
My advice is, do not use tradehill they are scammer imo.

It's actually kinda dumb to scam relatively rich people, and as the thread indicates, these folks are the highest priority for the re-boot of Tradehill.  Many people with real money tend to have the potential to achieve what they want to achieve (else they would not have gotten rich) and also have the resources to deploy in various efforts.  Besides, if one manages to obtain a portion of the high-end market share in the Bitcoin exchange space at this time, one could possibly do pretty well being on the up-and-up.

But I'd be interested to hear the basis of 'yo'.  If you have an interesting one at least.

newbie
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March 19, 2013, 03:33:30 PM
#64
My advice is, do not use tradehill they are scammer imo.
sr. member
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March 19, 2013, 12:24:52 PM
#63
Could you bring back MyBitCoin too?  They owe me 4 bitcoins.
sr. member
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March 19, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
#62
I think probably I have some bitcoins and some NMC coins on tradehill platform, so I am wondering whether I can get them back.


Shoot me an email at [email protected] and I'll take a look. I don't believe we ever traded NMC though.


Paying back:  Most of the clients have been paid back. If you haven't gotten paid back send an email to [email protected]
I still get people that simply hadn't checked it in a year etc  I've got funds and I'm using them to make people whole.


I'm one of your former clients who had a small amount of USD left in my account when you closed.
I can't remember the exact amount but it was less than $100. Still, I would like to have it back.

Do you still have details of my former account?
All the info I have is my account login and password.


I'll check it and send a check to a US address.
email [email protected]

Jered
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March 19, 2013, 09:51:50 AM
#61
I think probably I have some bitcoins and some NMC coins on tradehill platform, so I am wondering whether I can get them back.
legendary
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March 19, 2013, 02:27:51 AM
#60
A couple of questions.  You're talking about offering a "product" to "accredited investors".  Does this mean you're adopting the stance that Bitcoin is a security?

Also, it might be worth outlining here the process customers will need to go through to verify that they meet the "accredited investor" criteria.

As USD MtGox codes can't be generated after April, will you be accepting MtGox codes for other currencies as long as their value is over USD 5,000?
This is the criteria to meet:
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1. a bank, insurance company, registered investment company, business development company, or small business investment company;

2. an employee benefit plan, within the meaning of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, if a bank, insurance company, or registered investment adviser makes the investment decisions, or if the plan has total assets in excess of $5 million;

3. a charitable organization, corporation, or partnership with assets exceeding $5 million;

4. a director, executive officer, or general partner of the company selling the securities;

5. a business in which all the equity owners are accredited investors;

6. a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase, excluding the value of the primary residence of such person;

7. a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or

8. a trust with assets in excess of $5 million, not formed to acquire the securities offered, whose purchases a sophisticated person makes.

Basically, only open to rich people?

The U.S. has different roles for accredited investors (rich people). I don't like it but the lawyers are saying at this point we need to do it this way.
We're working on an alternative and will announce that as soon as we have it ready.
To be quite honest, I don't see this as a bad thing.  It'll make it, at least initially, a much more serious platform for investors with big money.  It'll draw interest from them since it is catered to them.  We already have plenty of exchanges to trade small amounts of money on.  Big players don't really have anyplace to call home (currently).

I think the biggest problem you will have is providing liquidity for those big players.  Who is going to sell to them?  Perhaps other exchanges?  One of the few "Bitcoin millionaires" around?
vip
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March 19, 2013, 02:18:27 AM
#59
Said to death but welcome back, we need more competition!
newbie
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March 19, 2013, 02:08:25 AM
#58

Paying back:  Most of the clients have been paid back. If you haven't gotten paid back send an email to [email protected]
I still get people that simply hadn't checked it in a year etc  I've got funds and I'm using them to make people whole.


I'm one of your former clients who had a small amount of USD left in my account when you closed.
I can't remember the exact amount but it was less than $100. Still, I would like to have it back.

Do you still have details of my former account?
All the info I have is my account login and password.
sr. member
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March 18, 2013, 08:35:24 PM
#57
Jered, how will the latest guidance from FinCEN affect your plans?  While limiting participation to accredited investors overcomes risks associated with offering unregulated securities, the FinCEN guidance statement makes pretty clear that Bitcoin exchanges operating within the US will be regarded as both exchangers and money transmitters and subject to the regulatory requirements which apply to those types of financial services providers.  This obviously imposes a significant financial and administrative burden on any US exchange as neither licensing nor compliance are cheap.  Is Prime in a position to meet those additional burdens?

Well written question.

We assumed this was going to happen (not on launch day though) and had it in mind while we set everything up with the lawyers.
Without giving too much away with what's going on in the back end we were ready for it.

Personally I see it as progress. We've all been waiting for acknowledgement and clarification.
It's going to be really interesting to see what comes out of it and who it affects.
I'm watching very closely.

Regards,
Jered
hero member
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March 18, 2013, 08:26:44 PM
#56
Jered, how will the latest guidance from FinCEN affect your plans?  While limiting participation to accredited investors overcomes risks associated with offering unregulated securities, the FinCEN guidance statement makes pretty clear that Bitcoin exchanges operating within the US will be regarded as both exchangers and money transmitters and subject to the regulatory requirements which apply to those types of financial services providers.  This obviously imposes a significant financial and administrative burden on any US exchange as neither licensing nor compliance are cheap.  Is Prime in a position to meet those additional burdens?
sr. member
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March 18, 2013, 07:58:26 PM
#55


50.49 bid, 50 offer?  How soon can I sign up?

We import some of the order book from Mt Gox.
Right now their connection is going on and off and when that happens it can take a moment to sync.
We'll be getting away from this and as our volume increases it won't be an issue.

Jered
sr. member
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March 18, 2013, 07:50:15 PM
#54


50.49 bid, 50 offer?  How soon can I sign up?
sr. member
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March 18, 2013, 06:48:33 PM
#53
A couple of questions.  You're talking about offering a "product" to "accredited investors".  Does this mean you're adopting the stance that Bitcoin is a security?

Also, it might be worth outlining here the process customers will need to go through to verify that they meet the "accredited investor" criteria.

As USD MtGox codes can't be generated after April, will you be accepting MtGox codes for other currencies as long as their value is over USD 5,000?
This is the criteria to meet:
Quote
1. a bank, insurance company, registered investment company, business development company, or small business investment company;

2. an employee benefit plan, within the meaning of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, if a bank, insurance company, or registered investment adviser makes the investment decisions, or if the plan has total assets in excess of $5 million;

3. a charitable organization, corporation, or partnership with assets exceeding $5 million;

4. a director, executive officer, or general partner of the company selling the securities;

5. a business in which all the equity owners are accredited investors;

6. a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase, excluding the value of the primary residence of such person;

7. a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or

8. a trust with assets in excess of $5 million, not formed to acquire the securities offered, whose purchases a sophisticated person makes.

Basically, only open to rich people?

The U.S. has different roles for accredited investors (rich people). I don't like it but the lawyers are saying at this point we need to do it this way.
We're working on an alternative and will announce that as soon as we have it ready.


Very nice, looking forward to seeing LTC Smiley

We'll take a good look at it and make a decision before too long.
We spent a lot of time preparing for this from a legal / tech perspective so we'll be able to add features quickly.

Can't find any info on the public API. Do you guys have one already?

I went ahead and put it on the second post of this thread just now.
Thanks for asking.

What about bitcoin.com? Is it still part of your business plan?

Not currently, we don't own it or have access to it.


A couple of questions.  You're talking about offering a "product" to "accredited investors".  Does this mean you're adopting the stance that Bitcoin is a security?

Also, it might be worth outlining here the process customers will need to go through to verify that they meet the "accredited investor" criteria.

As USD MtGox codes can't be generated after April, will you be accepting MtGox codes for other currencies as long as their value is over USD 5,000?

The "product" is referring to the service provided and not BTC it's self. We're not going to consider it a security before the SEC or appropriate body says that it is.

We'll provide more information regarding requirements to use the Prime soon. We're ramping up invites and adding people.

The minimum requirement for Mt Gox codes is to open an account. Once an account has been opened there won't be a minimum.
When we add other countries we will most likely accept codes in those currencies as well.

Jered
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