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Topic: [ANN]PECULIUM - First Saving System in Crypto Driven by AI - page 65. (Read 66431 times)

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I just asked on the telegram:



Good to see you going from screaming "FUD!!!" to confirming it within one hour ;-)

Despite the changes in the White Paper I still believe that Peculium has some great future ahead and hope that it will work as it should.
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Can you please provide us the link for the german ann thread or the link where we can see what you just quoted there?

Thanks a lot in advance mate! Smiley
You can click on the title of the quote and you get directly to the quoted message...
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28769538 , Post #100)
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very disappointing news, peculium has canceled the first solidus contract. This was a main reason for me to invest in peculium. now i have to think what i will do with my tokens after the ico. i really liked the project, but they do some big fails (don't talk about the kyc first, now cancelling the fsc...) in the last weeks.


Can you share a link on this? It's strange to release these news at this stage of the ICO. I don't want to doubt on your information sources but it really surprises me and I want to double check.

Yes mvillar is correct. We need full information here and verify your claims. Please do drop yoir sources if any, or any evidence regarding this matter so we can ask the team and clear these issues.

Lol why are you guys believing this dude? It's clear he's creating some FUD. I see no info on telegram, nor twitter. I just visited the thread in deutsch, I see no info regarding the cancelling of solidus. Get the F out of here.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2F[Suspicious link removed]%3Ftopic%3D2669291.60

Below you find the Quote, where criptix confirms it:
So Leute, ich muss jetzt mal was loswerden, das mir echt sauer aufstösst. Peculium hat die Bedingungen während des Icos zu unserem Nachteil massiv verschlechtert.

1. Der First Solid Contract ist ersatzlos weggefallen. Dieser hätte jedem von uns ermöglicht, mit einer Summe von 25% der Token Kaufsumme in den Topf zu investieren, mit dem AIEVE dann tradet. Und zwar Lebenslang, und Gratis. Wir können somit nicht mehr direkt an AIEVE teilhaben, ausser über die Kurssteigerung der Token.

2. Im Whitepaper V3 steht, dass jedes Jahr 20% der Geschäftsgewinne von Peculium an die Tokenhalter als eine Art Dividende ausgeschüttet werden. In der neuen Fassung ist das ganze nun gedeckelt auf 3 Jahre.

Nun möchte ich folgendes wissen: nach internationalem Übereinkommen kann ein Vertrag nicht einseitig geändert werden. Wie also soll das nun zu verstehen sein? Dies wurde im übrigen auch meines Wissens nicht öffentlich kommuniziert, sondern nur auf mehrfaches Nachfragen im Telegram Chat dann mitgeteilt.

Wie steht Bitcointalk dazu, dass hier Firmen Werbeplatz erhalten, um anschließend solche Änderungen vorzunehmen, die uns alle unangemessen benachteiligen, so der korrekte rechtliche Ausdruck?


Hallo Marco,

erstmal stimmt es, dass der FSC weggefallen ist und die Dividende gedeckelt wurde.

Dies hat - soweit ich weiß - hauptsächlich mit gesetzlichen Regulierungen zu tun gehabt.

Desweiteren bin ich mir ziemlich sicher, dass du unsere AGB nicht gelesen hast und bitte darum, dass du dies nachholst:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0EJmtqin-mqMGVWYW1iYXRHM28/view

Punkt 3 der AGB ist hier nämlich von extrem großer Bedeutung.

(Übrigens ist dies der Standard bei ICOs jeglicher Art.)


Außerdem möchte ich bemerken, dass die Änderung positiv für die Investoren ist.

Die Dividende ist nämlich nicht mehr an die Token gebunden, sondern wirklich nur an die Investition.
D.h. egal was der Investor mit seinen Token macht, er wird trotzdem von den Dividenden profitieren.
Short translation for all non-german speakers:

Marco76 says:
- First solidus contract is cancelled
- Dividend is now only paid for the first 3 years.

Criptix confirm:
- First solidus contract is cancelled
- Dividend will not be paid indefinitely.
(Both based on regulatory reasons)
Both changes are better for the investor.

-----------------------------------------------------

How far Criptix can really speak for the Peculium Team, I don't know. He is started the ANN-Thread...

Can you please provide us the link for the german ann thread or the link where we can see what you just quoted there?

Thanks a lot in advance mate! Smiley
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Activity: 116
Merit: 17
very disappointing news, peculium has canceled the first solidus contract. This was a main reason for me to invest in peculium. now i have to think what i will do with my tokens after the ico. i really liked the project, but they do some big fails (don't talk about the kyc first, now cancelling the fsc...) in the last weeks.


Can you share a link on this? It's strange to release these news at this stage of the ICO. I don't want to doubt on your information sources but it really surprises me and I want to double check.

Yes mvillar is correct. We need full information here and verify your claims. Please do drop yoir sources if any, or any evidence regarding this matter so we can ask the team and clear these issues.

Lol why are you guys believing this dude? It's clear he's creating some FUD. I see no info on telegram, nor twitter. I just visited the thread in deutsch, I see no info regarding the cancelling of solidus. Get the F out of here.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2F[Suspicious link removed]%3Ftopic%3D2669291.60

Below you find the Quote, where criptix confirms it:
So Leute, ich muss jetzt mal was loswerden, das mir echt sauer aufstösst. Peculium hat die Bedingungen während des Icos zu unserem Nachteil massiv verschlechtert.

1. Der First Solid Contract ist ersatzlos weggefallen. Dieser hätte jedem von uns ermöglicht, mit einer Summe von 25% der Token Kaufsumme in den Topf zu investieren, mit dem AIEVE dann tradet. Und zwar Lebenslang, und Gratis. Wir können somit nicht mehr direkt an AIEVE teilhaben, ausser über die Kurssteigerung der Token.

2. Im Whitepaper V3 steht, dass jedes Jahr 20% der Geschäftsgewinne von Peculium an die Tokenhalter als eine Art Dividende ausgeschüttet werden. In der neuen Fassung ist das ganze nun gedeckelt auf 3 Jahre.

Nun möchte ich folgendes wissen: nach internationalem Übereinkommen kann ein Vertrag nicht einseitig geändert werden. Wie also soll das nun zu verstehen sein? Dies wurde im übrigen auch meines Wissens nicht öffentlich kommuniziert, sondern nur auf mehrfaches Nachfragen im Telegram Chat dann mitgeteilt.

Wie steht Bitcointalk dazu, dass hier Firmen Werbeplatz erhalten, um anschließend solche Änderungen vorzunehmen, die uns alle unangemessen benachteiligen, so der korrekte rechtliche Ausdruck?


Hallo Marco,

erstmal stimmt es, dass der FSC weggefallen ist und die Dividende gedeckelt wurde.

Dies hat - soweit ich weiß - hauptsächlich mit gesetzlichen Regulierungen zu tun gehabt.

Desweiteren bin ich mir ziemlich sicher, dass du unsere AGB nicht gelesen hast und bitte darum, dass du dies nachholst:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0EJmtqin-mqMGVWYW1iYXRHM28/view

Punkt 3 der AGB ist hier nämlich von extrem großer Bedeutung.

(Übrigens ist dies der Standard bei ICOs jeglicher Art.)


Außerdem möchte ich bemerken, dass die Änderung positiv für die Investoren ist.

Die Dividende ist nämlich nicht mehr an die Token gebunden, sondern wirklich nur an die Investition.
D.h. egal was der Investor mit seinen Token macht, er wird trotzdem von den Dividenden profitieren.
Short translation for all non-german speakers:

Marco76 says:
- First solidus contract is cancelled
- Dividend is now only paid for the first 3 years.

Criptix confirm:
- First solidus contract is cancelled
- Dividend will not be paid indefinitely.
(Both based on regulatory reasons)
Both changes are better for the investor.

-----------------------------------------------------

How far Criptix can really speak for the Peculium Team, I don't know. He is started the ANN-Thread...
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very disappointing news, peculium has canceled the first solidus contract. This was a main reason for me to invest in peculium. now i have to think what i will do with my tokens after the ico. i really liked the project, but they do some big fails (don't talk about the kyc first, now cancelling the fsc...) in the last weeks.


Can you share a link on this? It's strange to release these news at this stage of the ICO. I don't want to doubt on your information sources but it really surprises me and I want to double check.

Yes mvillar is correct. We need full information here and verify your claims. Please do drop yoir sources if any, or any evidence regarding this matter so we can ask the team and clear these issues.

Lol why are you guys believing this dude? It's clear he's creating some FUD. I see no info on telegram, nor twitter. I just visited the thread in deutsch, I see no info regarding the cancelling of solidus. Get the F out of here.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2F[Suspicious link removed]%3Ftopic%3D2669291.60
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very disappointing news, peculium has canceled the first solidus contract. This was a main reason for me to invest in peculium. now i have to think what i will do with my tokens after the ico. i really liked the project, but they do some big fails (don't talk about the kyc first, now cancelling the fsc...) in the last weeks.


Can you share a link on this? It's strange to release these news at this stage of the ICO. I don't want to doubt on your information sources but it really surprises me and I want to double check.

Yes mvillar is correct. We need full information here and verify your claims. Please do drop yoir sources if any, or any evidence regarding this matter so we can ask the team and clear these issues.

There is no official information from peculium. i got that information in the german ann-thread, and a member of Peculium has confirmed it. You can also take a look at the whitepaper, the First Solidus Contract is not mentioned there anymore.
Solidus is still available, but investors also have to pay for it now.

KYC was accepted within 2 days, that was really fast. Thanks


i see. but did the team already announced it here? in the ann thread? i think if they are confirming this then they must and should announce that here for the benefit of everyone especially in the investors.

Yeah I'm curious, from where do you get those information?
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very disappointing news, peculium has canceled the first solidus contract. This was a main reason for me to invest in peculium. now i have to think what i will do with my tokens after the ico. i really liked the project, but they do some big fails (don't talk about the kyc first, now cancelling the fsc...) in the last weeks.


Can you share a link on this? It's strange to release these news at this stage of the ICO. I don't want to doubt on your information sources but it really surprises me and I want to double check.

Yes mvillar is correct. We need full information here and verify your claims. Please do drop yoir sources if any, or any evidence regarding this matter so we can ask the team and clear these issues.

There is no official information from peculium. i got that information in the german ann-thread, and a member of Peculium has confirmed it. You can also take a look at the whitepaper, the First Solidus Contract is not mentioned there anymore.
Solidus is still available, but investors also have to pay for it now.

KYC was accepted within 2 days, that was really fast. Thanks


i see. but did the team already announced it here? in the ann thread? i think if they are confirming this then they must and should announce that here for the benefit of everyone especially in the investors.
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very disappointing news, peculium has canceled the first solidus contract. This was a main reason for me to invest in peculium. now i have to think what i will do with my tokens after the ico. i really liked the project, but they do some big fails (don't talk about the kyc first, now cancelling the fsc...) in the last weeks.


Can you share a link on this? It's strange to release these news at this stage of the ICO. I don't want to doubt on your information sources but it really surprises me and I want to double check.

Yes mvillar is correct. We need full information here and verify your claims. Please do drop yoir sources if any, or any evidence regarding this matter so we can ask the team and clear these issues.

Why these news are coming in on the last day. Started as very good potential ICO. During the closure all the positive potential elements seems be gone. I dont want to say very disappointing but would like to watch carefully in the coming day on the performance of PCL tokens.
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I have been trying to move a few PCL's around on EtherDelta in the past couple of weeks, but without any success. Has anybody encountered similar problems? I am using https://etherdelta.com/#0x53148bb4551707edf51a1e8d7a93698d18931225-ETH
The token has been locked and can't be transferred. We need to wait till the end of the ICO.
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Do u have agreements with HitBTC? Why not? Interesting project, I think they will not refuse you.

I think the team is working hard to get an arrangement with them.

They are working hard over the last couple days to get some listings for exchanges, they will announce within the next few days to see what progress they have made and what exchanges we are looking at.

Go Peculium team  Cool

I hope we can hit binance within the next 3 months, I will stock up on PCL Smiley

Now it's time to hurry up to get some more PCL, you're right! Definitely considering to stock up as well. Smiley

Thanks, it will be awesome news when it happens. Thinking about buying some
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Last day of Peculium ICO. Looking forward to hear the final figures and plans from Peculium on their roadmaps, development, AIEVE beta testing results, more better exchange listing, etc.. Good luck team.

They have raise so much money in the ICO period which should be enough to drive the project to where ever they want...All the best to Peculium team with all our support Smiley
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I have been trying to move a few PCL's around on EtherDelta in the past couple of weeks, but without any success. Has anybody encountered similar problems? I am using https://etherdelta.com/#0x53148bb4551707edf51a1e8d7a93698d18931225-ETH
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Has anybody noticed that the white paper has been updated, some chunks are removed and some are changed.  I wonder does anybody have a backed up snapshot copy of the old one so I can compare it and release a changelog?  Thanks
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Do u have agreements with HitBTC? Why not? Interesting project, I think they will not refuse you.

I think the team is working hard to get an arrangement with them.

They are working hard over the last couple days to get some listings for exchanges, they will announce within the next few days to see what progress they have made and what exchanges we are looking at.

Go Peculium team  Cool

I hope we can hit binance within the next 3 months, I will stock up on PCL Smiley

Now it's time to hurry up to get some more PCL, you're right! Definitely considering to stock up as well. Smiley
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Do u have agreements with HitBTC? Why not? Interesting project, I think they will not refuse you.

I think the team is working hard to get an arrangement with them.

They are working hard over the last couple days to get some listings for exchanges, they will announce within the next few days to see what progress they have made and what exchanges we are looking at.

Go Peculium team  Cool

I hope we can hit binance within the next 3 months, I will stock up on PCL Smiley
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Do u have agreements with HitBTC? Why not? Interesting project, I think they will not refuse you.

I think the team is working hard to get an arrangement with them.
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Do u have agreements with HitBTC? Why not? Interesting project, I think they will not refuse you.
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What will be happen in case of fail to pass the KYC procedure because I don't have any kind of utility bill on my name. So I will get refund of my investment after the finish of this token sale?
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Jesus christ it is getting listed at SHITBTC!!!

This is by far the worst exchange known to man kind, can't be trusted with a single penny. If this was the only exchange in the world, I would not be in crypto...

Even EtherDelta deserves more trust...

Thats my worry too. HitBTC has become scammers paradise off-late and people are losing lots of money in that exchange. I really hope team will consider listing in Binance and KuCoin. I would avoid HitBTC whatever the price pump it will come.
Yes. Its should be list on Binance ,KuCoin and even Bittrex also good. Dev have to think about it. HotBTC is not trusted like other Exchange or trading platform.

I also expecting the team will arrange this to make list this token on very hot exchange Bianace and Kucoin both are on the fire and have huge numbers of users so this will make this way much wonderful.



Tokens listed on Kukoin in January had a nice pump. And its still easy to hit on Kukoin. Binance also good, but  its expansive for listing there.

Yea, i see more exchanges jumping into there plan with time, i even thought poloniex will be the first due to the update about it on there twitter page during the initial phase of the project, so lets count that as coming up in the future

All this will become superfluous over time, I do not see a problem with that. More and more people will jump up and realize what a good project this is. 
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