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legendary
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This 50% PoS minting seems too good.  Aren't there any drawbacks to such a high mining interest?  What happens to PoS when the limit of coin production is reached?


50% is if there is no transactions (ie> losses of fees and coinstakeage), everyone stakes optimally, and other factors, it's really not possible to approach 50%. What the actual % eventually is remains to be seen.

It's much higher on some other coins 100% or even much more. so far it hasn't really been an issue as you can see in current supply after 6+months. There is the potential of heavy transactions taking place sometime in the future resulting in large fee destruction.  You can actually see this happen now on occasion with a large transfer, the money supply actually goes down (if fees >  reward).

As far raising/lowering limits, this can be adjusted with a vote of miners/stakeholders to increase or decrease limits/ or other parameters (sometime in future if need arises). I feel if PHS ever needs a 'fork'' ie adjustment .. it can be decided by super-majority.

Thanks for the info. Whch coins offer 100%+ in PoS minting?  

It seems too easy to just invest a lot of money in the coin and sit back and collect new minted coins.  If the market value goes down and stays down then I'm in trouble but it not then I benefit from the minted coins.  In this respect it's similar to some high risk bond or ETF that pays a high percentage but the unit price can fluctuate a lot.



Yep, I also forgot to mention that exchanges (and others) usually don't have stake running for obvious reasons, so that's another ~10-20%(perhaps more) of money supply not creating inflation. This is actually likely the biggest offset to the '50%'

Also, if you buy PoS vrs PoW cryptos, you can always just put them in wallet and create stakes if market goes the wrong way for you, and wait it out or just have a steady income every 5-10 days(PHS) to sell off (or compound). And yes its very similar and i suspect many use the stake return for a steady income. You might want to start small to see how it works in real-time (or use testnet which is hundreds of times faster) .

I have some PHS in wallet since Jan 7th, but still can't get the pos reward, why?

wallet encrypted?
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This 50% PoS minting seems too good.  Aren't there any drawbacks to such a high mining interest?  What happens to PoS when the limit of coin production is reached?


50% is if there is no transactions (ie> losses of fees and coinstakeage), everyone stakes optimally, and other factors, it's really not possible to approach 50%. What the actual % eventually is remains to be seen.

It's much higher on some other coins 100% or even much more. so far it hasn't really been an issue as you can see in current supply after 6+months. There is the potential of heavy transactions taking place sometime in the future resulting in large fee destruction.  You can actually see this happen now on occasion with a large transfer, the money supply actually goes down (if fees >  reward).

As far raising/lowering limits, this can be adjusted with a vote of miners/stakeholders to increase or decrease limits/ or other parameters (sometime in future if need arises). I feel if PHS ever needs a 'fork'' ie adjustment .. it can be decided by super-majority.

Thanks for the info. Whch coins offer 100%+ in PoS minting?  

It seems too easy to just invest a lot of money in the coin and sit back and collect new minted coins.  If the market value goes down and stays down then I'm in trouble but it not then I benefit from the minted coins.  In this respect it's similar to some high risk bond or ETF that pays a high percentage but the unit price can fluctuate a lot.



Yep, I also forgot to mention that exchanges (and others) usually don't have stake running for obvious reasons, so that's another ~10-20%(perhaps more) of money supply not creating inflation. This is actually likely the biggest offset to the '50%'

Also, if you buy PoS vrs PoW cryptos, you can always just put them in wallet and create stakes if market goes the wrong way for you, and wait it out or just have a steady income every 5-10 days(PHS) to sell off (or compound). And yes its very similar and i suspect many use the stake return for a steady income. You might want to start small to see how it works in real-time (or use testnet which is hundreds of times faster) .

I have some PHS in wallet since Jan 7th, but still can't get the pos reward, why?
legendary
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PHS 50% PoS - Stop mining start minting
This 50% PoS minting seems too good.  Aren't there any drawbacks to such a high mining interest?  What happens to PoS when the limit of coin production is reached?


50% is if there is no transactions (ie> losses of fees and coinstakeage), everyone stakes optimally, and other factors, it's really not possible to approach 50%. What the actual % eventually is remains to be seen.

It's much higher on some other coins 100% or even much more. so far it hasn't really been an issue as you can see in current supply after 6+months. There is the potential of heavy transactions taking place sometime in the future resulting in large fee destruction.  You can actually see this happen now on occasion with a large transfer, the money supply actually goes down (if fees >  reward).

As far raising/lowering limits, this can be adjusted with a vote of miners/stakeholders to increase or decrease limits/ or other parameters (sometime in future if need arises). I feel if PHS ever needs a 'fork'' ie adjustment .. it can be decided by super-majority.

Thanks for the info. Whch coins offer 100%+ in PoS minting?  

It seems too easy to just invest a lot of money in the coin and sit back and collect new minted coins.  If the market value goes down and stays down then I'm in trouble but it not then I benefit from the minted coins.  In this respect it's similar to some high risk bond or ETF that pays a high percentage but the unit price can fluctuate a lot.



Yep, I also forgot to mention that exchanges (and others) usually don't have stake running for obvious reasons, so that's another ~10-20%(perhaps more) of money supply not creating inflation. This is actually likely the biggest offset to the '50%'

Also, if you buy PoS vrs PoW cryptos, you can always just put them in wallet and create stakes if market goes the wrong way for you, and wait it out or just have a steady income every 5-10 days(PHS) to sell off (or compound). And yes its very similar and i suspect many use the stake return for a steady income. You might want to start small to see how it works in real-time (or use testnet which is hundreds of times faster) .
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This 50% PoS minting seems too good.  Aren't there any drawbacks to such a high mining interest?  What happens to PoS when the limit of coin production is reached?


50% is if there is no transactions (ie> losses of fees and coinstakeage), everyone stakes optimally, and other factors, it's really not possible to approach 50%. What the actual % eventually is remains to be seen.

It's much higher on some other coins 100% or even much more. so far it hasn't really been an issue as you can see in current supply after 6+months. There is the potential of heavy transactions taking place sometime in the future resulting in large fee destruction.  You can actually see this happen now on occasion with a large transfer, the money supply actually goes down (if fees >  reward).

As far raising/lowering limits, this can be adjusted with a vote of miners/stakeholders to increase or decrease limits/ or other parameters (sometime in future if need arises). I feel if PHS ever needs a 'fork'' ie adjustment .. it can be decided by super-majority.

Thanks for the info. Whch coins offer 100%+ in PoS minting? 

It seems too easy to just invest a lot of money in the coin and sit back and collect new minted coins.  If the market value goes down and stays down then I'm in trouble but it not then I benefit from the minted coins.  In this respect it's similar to some high risk bond or ETF that pays a high percentage but the unit price can fluctuate a lot.

legendary
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PHS 50% PoS - Stop mining start minting
This 50% PoS minting seems too good.  Aren't there any drawbacks to such a high mining interest?  What happens to PoS when the limit of coin production is reached?


50% is if there is no transactions (ie> losses of fees and coinstakeage), everyone stakes optimally, and other factors, it's really not possible to approach 50%. What the actual % eventually is remains to be seen.

It's much higher on some other coins 100% or even much more. so far it hasn't really been an issue as you can see in current supply after 6+months. There is the potential of heavy transactions taking place sometime in the future resulting in large fee destruction.  You can actually see this happen now on occasion with a large transfer, the money supply actually goes down (if fees >  reward).

As far raising/lowering limits, this can be adjusted with a vote of miners/stakeholders to increase or decrease limits/ or other parameters (sometime in future if need arises). I feel if PHS ever needs a 'fork'' ie adjustment .. it can be decided by super-majority.







sr. member
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In Crypto I trust.
This 50% PoS minting seems too good.  Aren't there any drawbacks to such a high mining interest?  What happens to PoS when the limit of coin production is reached?
newbie
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I like the squared circle triangle, over the milky way galaxy type concept.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4318530


+1
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What do you think of this logo?
It is a coin made of stone.

http://i.imgur.com/mehquVO.jpg

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Shrank these a bit for those with smaller screens


http://phstones.com/mobile/zor3.jpg

This is the one I like -digeros
That looks cool, but personally I think it would look better if the octaeder would be more noticeable.
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Shrank these a bit for those with smaller screens




This is the one I like -digeros

+1 Looks great. It's good to see people are still working on this coin. I thought it might be dying for awhile based on the website and lack of social media presence. Is anyone working on a facebook/twitter?
FB: https://www.facebook.com/philosophers.crypt
twit: https://twitter.com/VoiceofTheCrypt
@VoiceofTheCrypt
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This is the one I like -digeros

+1 Looks great. It's good to see people are still working on this coin. I thought it might be dying for awhile based on the website and lack of social media presence. Is anyone working on a facebook/twitter?
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http://cryptsy.wikidot.com/phs  now has some info on it.

One thing I noticed is that philosopher stone is unclear initially what it is exactly when people might first look at
that page.
What I mean is, that it is unclear that philosopher stone is a coin like bitcoin, and users have to read a bit to try and
learn about PHS first, whereas some of the other coins seem to give a clearer message right away with their name and logo.
Don't get me wrong, I am not negative about PHS, but just noticed this is all, but in fact PHS has pluses that other coins do not have such as a long term POS plan that people may like.

What I think is that PHS may benefit from a logo that makes it clearer right away that it is a crypto-currency somehow, or somehow a coin.

Look at the new netcoin logo, and they had it made by some professional artist.
Maybe PHS might consider getting a pro to make the coin/logo ??
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2akaix.jpg

See how netcoin has literally placed their logo directly onto a coin? That is what PHS might consider doing as well, to make it clearer to people that PHS is a coin or is a crypto-coin. ( or maybe put the logo onto a rock to be unique, but that will not indicate it is a crypto though ) Smiley

Does PHS have a website of its own?
Quote: Maybe PHS might consider getting a pro to make the coin/logo ??
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2akaix.jpg

How about contributing to the DEVELOPMENT and Promotions FUND ( Which are worth about $5 now !!!)  Quit believing that Developers own or Control coins... these are independent creatures (coins) that are unleashed on the world and when they are true fair launch (like PHS) there is no premining to pay for development or web development or a foundation organization.  Palm Detroit has been DONATING HIS TIME & HIS MONEY TO DEVELOP the CODE.  Digeros has been donating his time & money to help with marketing and promotion.

Website: http://philosopherscrypt.com/  (if you dont like it build one yourself) - digeros
legendary
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PHS 50% PoS - Stop mining start minting


http://cryptsy.wikidot.com/phs  now has some info on it.

One thing I noticed is that philosopher stone is unclear initially what it is exactly when people might first look at
that page.
What I mean is, that it is unclear that philosopher stone is a coin like bitcoin, and users have to read a bit to try and
learn about PHS first, whereas some of the other coins seem to give a clearer message right away with their name and logo.
Don't get me wrong, I am not negative about PHS, but just noticed this is all, but in fact PHS has pluses that other coins do not have such as a long term POS plan that people may like.

What I think is that PHS may benefit from a logo that makes it clearer right away that it is a crypto-currency somehow, or somehow a coin.

Look at the new netcoin logo, and they had it made by some professional artist.
Maybe PHS might consider getting a pro to make the coin/logo ??
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2akaix.jpg

See how netcoin has literally placed their logo directly onto a coin? That is what PHS might consider doing as well, to make it clearer to people that PHS is a coin or is a crypto-coin.

Yes if you want to describe it for your perspective that might be good. I though we should go with Stones this time not coins - make it a commodity or income producing asset long term, but really the PoS seems too confusing, at least when I try to explain how it works? Name should go with PhilosopherStone to keep it consistent , right now I'm trying to clean up code to all the inconsistencies.

We did get some submissions for Zorro - who did datacoin and others - I will post the images on one of beginning threads to look at- or see here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4318530
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We could use more ... feedback on what logos and images we should go with, or actual images to put into client.

A list of sizes, the exact dimensions that are needed for the logo graphics with the targets being nearly the largest required, and the smallest required would be very helpful.

======== LARGE to SMALL (in pixel height and width dimensions) ================

1. Splash graphic for Wallet App
2.
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6.
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9. System Tray Icon
sr. member
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Shrank these a bit for those with smaller screens




This is the one I like -digeros
sr. member
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the diff on this coin is all over the place. It should be smoothed like PPC or something like Kimotos gravity well. I gave up on trying to gpu mine PHS and I just buy it up now. the hash rate swings + the diff swings doesnt really make this coin attractive. Fix the diff and you will see more dedicated miners.
gpu mine PHS??? Solo?? HAHA!  POOL?? MAybe! what?

Go and study up on POS systems to see why PPC is so much smoother in it difficulty swings... All of THIS is CONTROLLED by MATH not by the Creator or any other person or corporation with a market that is open and honest (cryptsy) so if you don't understand the math... shut up until you do. Who said that coins are supposed to make miners money... they are "currency" for exchange of value, if you dont like the volatility go back to FIAT  PS the great advantage of POS Coins is THAT DO NOT REQUIRE POW miner/Whiners to have transactions verified - digeros
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Changing the Subject:: If you like PHS --- then the best thing we could do now is get a lot of people to write to coinpayment.net at https://www.coinpayments.net/contact  and ask them to add processing services for PHS -digeros
legendary
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PHS 50% PoS - Stop mining start minting
PLEASE don't tell me mining will 'EVEN out" in the long term bullshit..

Mining this coin has become a HUGE waste of time LONG ago

I put 6Mhs for 24/7 and NEVER have gotten more than 40 coins in a day
yet the  'EST' tells me I should be getting 120 for Diff 20 and 400 for diff 10 etc..
But you never get a block when he diff is low..
In fact it's NEVER low except for a few fleeting fractions of a nano-pico second..
And I can watch 5-20 blocks new block blow by WITHOUT EVEN SUBMITTING ONE SHARE
Then it's back up to 24 diff and another 14 hours to get my tiny portion of the reward say 3-10 coins
AND I AM THE HIGHEST HASH RATE IN THE POOL that is VERY GOOD!!


So at a price of 0.0002 40 coins/day =  a whopping $6.40 /day if Bit coin is $800
WOW BIG PROFIT for $8,000 in hardware the electricity costs MORE than that
Coinchoose and coinwarz are such BULLSHIT...they must get paid to lie.

And you want MORE miners...think MINTING will help..

Miners get shafted but Pool ops and devs make make out fine..the Balls to take 1% still
Noticed Palm is not even mining his own coin anymore...

Put an HONEST disclaimer up and stop pretending you give shit about miners profitability

Even at this retarded low rate of return....
IT IS STILL one of the best of ALL the ALT coin shit show scams...




This is the whole point of the long term PoW/PoS hybrid... to make it hard to mine so electricity is not wasted in huge amounts by ever increasing mining hardware...


I have posted previously (and this has been discussed many times before if you care to look) about getting a program or pool that switches when the difficulty is low, this is beneficial to miners who are out for a profit and also to protect the network when the difficulty goes too low! Not to mention if you mine a more profitable crypto you can acquire more PHS that way....


Previous posts EXAMPLE:

You missunderstandin me. I dont want solo mining, im @ minar too when pool/network hashrate is fine.
But every few hour the hashrate goin up to sky.. and the pool losing its efficiency == wasting hash power

atm 117M network and 3M minar's hashrate =>  its like solomining (my +2MHs cant help on it)

And this is why im looking for that big pool Tongue

You can use a script or available programs that will mine only when at certain difficulties and/or switch to other coins as needed to optimize profit. Or mine PoS instead.


and yes more minting helps to stabilize this,... but I'm not going to tell people how to mint, it's up the them
Sometimes PHS difficulty shoots very low and then I will mine it regardless , also I was helping to test out a new pool, which is also beneficial to PHS long term !
legendary
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the diff on this coin is all over the place. It should be smoothed like PPC or something like Kimotos gravity well. I gave up on trying to gpu mine PHS and I just buy it up now. the hash rate swings + the diff swings doesnt really make this coin attractive. Fix the diff and you will see more dedicated miners.
sr. member
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Walter Russell's Cosmogony is RIGHT!
DEV ACTIVE?Huh DOING WHAT!!!
MINTING his HUGE stash now that he stopped mining his own coin and now makes more on minting than all the mining combined will ever do from now on. Buying just enough to keep us hooked and suckered.
Where can you spend these useless stones NOWHERE!!!
price has steady decline
I'm sure he is already working on another scamcoin to follow as this one is near dead..
Miners and investors are left holding the bag AGAIN...
We do the work..... devs and pool op's reap the reward the move on and leave the mess..
CC pool was big time thief and LONG gone..he'll be back....under a new name but same scam

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