Topic: [ANN][PYC] Paycoin - Going to be hard forked soon! - page 8. (Read 90803 times)

Bitcoin the trademark, yes.

But Bitcoin the currency is owned by the Bitcoin community which took it over under the rules and laws of open source software as outline under the MIT license.

Nobody holding the Bitcoin trademark can stop Bitcoin, its developers or its community from doing as they please with Bitcoin the currency.

This is what Josh Garza doesn't seem to understand about these open source [MIT licensed] Crypto-Currencies.  

He cannot stop PayCoin (the original) even if he actually got lucky somehow and attained the PayCoin trademark.

Where were you the past 6 months then?  Supporting the PYC community or riding the tails of XPY once it gained traction?

Bitcoin is a trademark held by MtGox, on the dubious theory that "better they than someone else". There was some talk about them transferring this to the Foundation, but nothing came of it AFAIK.

So if the foundation still hasn't done anything about this, then shame on them. Bitcoin is then an asset in the bankrupt holdings of MtGox currently controlled by the courts of Japan.

I applaud you Vlad, at least your ridiculous rants are making you some profit on your garbage coin that nobody has supported in 6+ months or so.  And no, I think XPY is shit too, but you're just angleshooting here and playing the hype while finding unsuspecting rookies to buy your bag.

How can anybody involved with Bitcoin or crypto be so clueless as to what's about to happen here?

What happens to PayCoin will determine many other HUGE legal issues involving Bitcoin and the fate of many other alt coins, INCLUDING Bitcoin.

If Josh Garza gets his way then it will set a legal precedent allowing the likes of JP Morgan to be able to [in theory] buy the Bitcoin trademark from Karpeles and with that trademark launch their own Bitcoin and demand that the original Bitcoin be removed from all exchanges and sue anyone that uses that name unless it's for their bank controlled Bitcoin.

How does that sound right or fair to any sane logical person?

Why?  Oh, because the original founder of Bitcoin, Satoshi, has abandoned the coin and those developing it now have no rights to it since it's not "their" coin and besides, JP Morgan owns the Bitcoin trademark which means they automatically own all the rights to Bitcoin itself.

Don't you people see what this case means and what a dangerous precedent it would set for Bitcoin and for all Crypto?

It would literally open up a legal loophole for the rich and powerful to hi-jack any coin by simply grabbing the trademark.

I'm not just fighting for my investment here or just for the PayCoin community - this fight is for everything Crypto Currencies stand for and if we don't stick together - the elites Satoshi was fighting against, the Status Quo, will deliver a death blow to Bitcoin and to all crypto currencies which will hurt all of us.

Stop being cowards and stand up and fight for what is right - fight the Status Quo who is blatantly trying to hi-jack this entire new industry, our industry, the people's industry.

Really? Paycoin theft? Nobody is stealing paycoin.

If they bacekd off, maybe they knew what they were doing wasn't completely legal.  

So we're clear on this..... you wanna be "that guy" then. Am I right?

Man, Bitcointalk has really changed... I'll leave it at that.

Ever hear of Carl Icahn?  On many occasions, such as this, he has taken over total control of giant corporations with less than 1% ownership.
So laugh at my "enormous 4%" but you will find out that 4% is considered a major holder in the world of finance.

PYC community... Is this the guy you want representing you?

+1 

Man, Vlad?  How old are you? you sound like a 15 year old playing XBOX with other kids. You need to be more professional for the good of your coin and our community.

PYC community... Is this the guy you want representing you?

Please do not reply with insults that would not be constructive at all.

How old are you? you sound like a 15 year old playing XBOX with other kids.

Man, Vlad?  How old are you? you sound like a 15 year old playing XBOX with other kids.

Being a major Paycoin holder since last year (4%) gives me more rights to this coin than you, Mr. Garza.

Also, try reading the MIT license for open source cryptos - I have officially taken over this coin [legally, just like Gavin & BTC community legally took over Bitcoin] which is much more legal and ethical than what you are doing.

As the new developers of the coin, along with others here, we have any and all rights as the original founders of this coin.

Anyway you try to scheme it - we legally have these rights and you do not.

Go fish!

Why doesn't GAW just start buying up the coins then they could put an end to this? They are trying a muscle move like Apple has done but you Apple has much better lawyers and much smarter people working for them.

If you are referring to me you are an outright liar.

I negotiated a price for [the ENTIRE] PayCoin and argued that it had a fair market value of at least ~$2 million which meant each coin would be worth about 300,000 Satoshi and I offered to sell you my coins at that price if you would accept - a total value far far far less than the $1 million you're lying about.

I have a feeling you lie so much that you simply cannot tell the truth about anything anymore.

You were the one who initiated first personal contact with me, YOU PM'd me first asking to negotiate - so what were you wanting or expecting me to negotiate for - my socks, my stash of ShitCoins...lol?  What could I have offered you except my Paycoins and cooperation to help get the deal closed for the entire PayCoin community?  I felt at 300,000 Satoshi I could sell the community on the deal.

Are you that ignorant or incompetent about what's happening here or are you still playing your little greed game?

Then you responded:  "What, what are you offering me, why would I wanna buy your coins - I already own the PayCoin brand?"

Hahahaa.

Another blatant lie as you do NOT own the paycoin brand - you just applied for it.

And what were you negotiating with me for if not for a price to buyout PayCoin, what else would I have to offer you?

You, Homero Garza, are a vile, dishonest and crooked person.  No wonder the other guys I talked to said:  "we do not want to negotiate with him, we're doing this on principle, but be careful with him."

I obviously didn't know I was dealing with a pathological liar, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time.


So please do post screen-shots of our conversation [the entire conversation] - that way everyone can see what a two faced lying sack you really are.

And dude, use some of those ill-gotten gains to buy yourself some tampons, a brain, some English grammar courses, a human personality and a moral backbone.  


Merry Christmas, Scrooge!