Topic: [ANN][RIC] Riecoin: constellations POW *CPU* HARD FORK successful, world record - page 201. (Read 685214 times)

Tomorrow could be a very good day for Riecoin indeed!

/hopesup
/buying

Hey mate, different people are good at different things, we can all learn from each other. When you get your pool up and running, I will happily join it, pool diversity is good. 

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what i want for days to ask and actually i forget is:

Is this coin actually trying to prove wrong the Riemann hypothesis or it just finds primes?

And if not yet will those primes that it finds will actually help this cause somehow in the future and how?

cause i remember that this coin was about that but then something changed i think..maybe it was difficult to program or something...

This is very good for Riecoin.  Thanks again gatra.

Thank you for the effort and contribution Gatra. The community will try its best to support you!

If it's 66% then it can be solved this way:
a block is a 6tuple of primes,
For shares, we also allow the last 2 numbers to be composite instead of primes, like this:
or
so 4 primes and 2 composites make a valid share.
If we allowed the following cases to be shares too:




Then versions (a) and (b) would miss lots of these cases, loosing their advantage. The best share-finder would be also the best block-finder.

I see only one drawback: currently a miner can stop testing if it finds something like . After the 4th test you know that you won't find a block or a share. But with this modification, the miner has to do 2 more tests because it could be a valid share of the form .
This means the pooled miner has a small overhead compared to the solo block-finder that stops after the first composite. However this overhead is really mnimal: how many 3ch/s are you currently having per cpu? less than 1. Probably one 3ch every 10 seconds or more. That's how often you''d incurr in this overhead.

Currently, my stratum-mining accepts any combination that has at least 4 primes as long as the first one of the 6tuple is prime. I'm testing more carefully and I have to sleep now, but if everything goes ok we'll have full working new versions of the client, miner and stratum server during tomorrow.

gatra

EDIT: another thing: if you suspect someone is cheating ypool, you should contact jh00. I think he does trial division tests for some divisors on each share, so your (a) miner would be detected.

status: bug in stratum-mining. gatra is working on it (thanks).

Once that is fixed, it should work properly.

And what about the bastard child nobody speaks of?

@ surfer

How is the progress of your pool coming?

This is interesting. The reason pools normally work is that there is no benefit to miners not to submit every block they find. With Riecoin on the other hand, they get extra shares for not even searching for blocks.  

dga: your mining software can be set to a 0% dev fee (or so it appears). I won't do that of course..

where do I get the RIEcoin calculator for this coin?

Yup.  And - they could be, depending on what the pool verifies as a valid block.  There's an earlier discussion about this, but it's a little more tricky than I think gatra, jh, or I thought it was now that the sieves are getting huge and the diff is up.

As an example, I tested three variants of my best miner:
 - Version (a) is a "cheat" miner:  It ONLY looks for 4 chains;
 - Version (b) is a "50k-fair" miner:  It sieves all six spots to primes < 50,000, just like the open source version does, but then it sieves out the first 4 to 1 billion;
 - Version (c) is a "block-hunter":  It sieves all six to a billion.

Version (a) and (b) were indistinguishable.  Which means there's no profit with a fast miner to having a worse block-to-share ratio than the average person does.  Version (b) is what I'd been running myself previously and releasing.

But version (c) is what you really want your miners running, because it finds a lot more blocks.  But it produces *shares* at only 66% the rate of version (b), even though it finds more than twice as many blocks.  I'm now running version (c) because I think that even though it helps the pool more than it helps me, my smaller-slice-of-a-bigger-pie wins out.  But it's tricky.

What we need to do is determine the right incentive structure to make miners want to run version (c).

One answer is that maybe a00k or supercomputer's code doesn't have the same 1/3rd slowdown for all six that mine does.

  -Dave

So they try to sieve for 4 chains specifically at the expense of finding blocks?

This means, as of now when you are mining in a pool, others are stealing your block-solving capabilities.

A quick solution: release the most optimized, "cheating", miner for finding shares specifically. If everyone has access to this miner, people will no longer be "cheating". Yes, the difficulty might fall and pools will find less blocks, but it will only be fair to people who can't modify their mining software to cheat.

The default binary is Linux:  xptminer-sse4-b8

Of course we'll release them open eventually -- *I'm* going to release mine as open source.  But at minimum, I'm waiting until we get the pool fairness issues sorted out in a way that means that someone with access to my source won't be able to create a cheating miner that's 30%+ faster than everyone else's.  (And that's with the huge size sieves that the advanced miners use -- with the current open source code, cheaters get an even bigger advantage, because the sieve itself is slow.)

no linux  I mean, there are always linux binaries 

Also, remember I'm paying 20% of my pool's 1% fee  and 50% of any additional donations to the developer(s) of the most optimized, open source miner for the stratum protocol.

I advise people to disregard what supercomputing says unless s/he provides proof of his/her claims. Again, look at supercomputing's negative trust and reference link.

Yes, please make these miners public, or else logically the price of RIC is going to plummet. And can you honestly believe there will not be developers that will optimize miners to these levels and release them open source? It is only a matter of time.

Core 15 now 10.15 compared to 7 before. Its well wortwhile paying dga a fee.

Its not dead they are sayings it dead in order to buy it at a low undervalued price.  You can google those words, and investors who google "dead rie"and they will dump it by reading "dead" and in turn those saying "dead" are buying it and will profit once everyone realizes its truely alive.
Idk how people are so easy to be moved by emotions.

That's correct - sorry.  The code has far too much 64 bit in it to be worth doing a 32 bit version.  It would be extremely slow.  Glad to hear it's working well on your i5.

Problem with this is that all coins have this problem..not just RIC. Because RIC only has 1 pool, it seems like a tragedy but every single coin has this problem. If you don't like it, buy 1000000000 cores.

Would it be funny if the people who use optimized miners without releasing them actually significantly contribute to the unpopularity of the coin they are milking, thus reducing their own potential profits?