Topic: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin - PoW reward for solar energy | the GREEN KING of Crypto - page 39. (Read 138368 times)
June 23, 2014, 03:11:45 AM
Looks very good coin, trading is not active,why?
June 23, 2014, 01:22:07 AM
Reminder: you can check the difficulty via the block explorer at http://solarcoin.zapto.org/chain/solarcoin or via your wallet client (getdifficulty or getmininginfo command from the terminal) .
After block 208440 we should see the diff changing every 15 blocks.
After block 208440 we should see the diff changing every 15 blocks.
June 23, 2014, 01:03:44 AM
The 10 minute comment in the original source code is obviously a typo; it should say 15 minutes. The other branches are still a work in progress for testing purposes and still need to be cleaned up. No worries we will get that done!
To avoid any confusion when we hit the 208440 block, the mining pools will need to update their statistics to reflect the new 15 minute retargets. If that is not done the mining pool front end will not show the correct estimated next difficulty and change in xx blocks. That does not indicate any actual problems on the network, just a mistake in the mpos front end web page.
I already reached out to cryptopoolmining but have not heard back yet. Will also contact prominers now.
Pool operators in case you are reading this I believe you need to update the coindiffchangetarget value in your MPOS configuration.
To avoid any confusion when we hit the 208440 block, the mining pools will need to update their statistics to reflect the new 15 minute retargets. If that is not done the mining pool front end will not show the correct estimated next difficulty and change in xx blocks. That does not indicate any actual problems on the network, just a mistake in the mpos front end web page.
I already reached out to cryptopoolmining but have not heard back yet. Will also contact prominers now.
Pool operators in case you are reading this I believe you need to update the coindiffchangetarget value in your MPOS configuration.
June 22, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
As another User pointed out, the urgency to make any further code changes may disappear with the upcoming difficulty adjustment code about to take affect.
Let's take another look back in a week or two and see what has transpired.
Let's take another look back in a week or two and see what has transpired.
June 22, 2014, 02:14:01 PM
June 22, 2014, 01:42:03 PM
I see you guys still don't understand you get what you pay for... I see Sunuser was approached and probably asked and offered 3k or small amount like that...? Epiphany I know how nice you are and I mean this in a nice way but saying 5k Solarcoins (I'm sure you just meant what part you would throw in..) is not even close to being a rude offer!!!! it's a flat out insult!!! You all need to hear real world numbers bc Like I siad I still have my money and family memebers money in SLR so pls it's time to get real you are a CryptoCurrency whit out dealing with SLR as a Currency a real Currency you guys are just working on a CryptoCoupon "that stats on the bottom NO real value"
A coder like Sunuser needs to hear numbers like 1 million Solarcoins before your request is serious. If that scares your board then it may be time to rethink this whole thing. I have seen coders get that amount when its 2-3% of the coin cap to work on many other coins, 1 million Solarcoins is 0.2% of just the genesis pool and 0.001% of the coin cap
I appreciate your positive sentiment towards me here, I really do. However, I have trust issues with you as well as with Sunuser and I'm sure you both know why. On top of that, I actually know with 100% certainty who one of you is. Given that, I am having a difficult time with your true intentions here. And while they may be good intentions, I can't help but view your concerns as simply an attempt at FUD. For what reason I cannot fathom. I'd prefer that not to be the case given that you are both early investors (assuming you are actually two different people). I would prefer to see you both working with us than actively against us with these anonymous shenanigans and multiple personalities. Please reconsider that approach!
Oddly enough, as a gamer myself, I can actually empathize somewhat with that particular strategy which is why I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt. But years of experience tells me to be cautious. And so here I sit...
We are doing the best we can. I'll leave it to Doug or Justin if they feel the need to address your concerns directly about the coding. As for me, I'm sorry but I just can't take you seriously anymore.
June 22, 2014, 01:14:14 PM
Well SLR code is so choppy and a mess looking right now!!!
I don't have the time to go look through your mess of post/code right now, I just pulled up the forum quick today to see if you finally fixed the code.
OK not sure if "ddirt" or "ubuntu" are writing code for Solarcoin now or if they are just having fun. BC non of the new code has been merged to the Master branch yet...
But reading it all al beit quickly, has me shaking me head and not seeing one thing right yet, from miss understood code to bloat code.
It's time for the Foundation to tell everyone if Justin is still working for solarcoin?
??
OK diggin through this I see you all here talking about 15 min re-target...
I'm not expert like sunuser is on coding
here is what I see...
You have Justin's master branch which we are all using still bc there has been no Fork yet (so no fix has been written we are all just waiting for the original back up to kick in)
https://github.com/solarcoin/solarcoin/tree/master/src
here was from original code release it had a back up "_Version2" written in the code to start at "nHeight_Version2 = 208440" or block 208440
Now unless I messed a new wallet release somewhere you are all sitting around waiting for this back-up to hit...
I dont have the time to check but unless Justin was wrong with his math // 10 minutes was stated in his code
Now justin looked to be working on changing this all with a branch off the master that I'm sure he was planing to just merge when he was done and ready...
25 days ago
https://github.com/solarcoin/solarcoin/tree/diff-retarget/src
now what did justin fix the code to say?
25 days ago
https://github.com/solarcoin/solarcoin/commit/87e62b7496ba37c6fec7e264f93f22987e3c2188
He took out the old back up "_Version2" and added digishield
with "= DiffChangeBlock" set at 200000
Great!!!!! old // 10 minutes back up gone and new //1 min retarget in its place at block 200000
HOWEVER in come this ddirt fork
Not sure what is goin on here but with all the talk about 15 min retarget 1 of 2 things either Justin math was wrong or you are looking at ddirt new code and it fixed Justins math
which reall blows my mind bc ddirt should not even have "_Version2" added back in and added Wrong i may add
ok ddirt fork and code
https://github.com/ddirt/solarcoin/blob/diff-retarget/src/main.cpp
So same numbers but now said to change every 15 min // 15 minutes not sure who is right???
however ddirt has old code
ONLY defined NEVER used!!!!!! bc the use of the code
Is missing from ddirt code?? So there is defind code that is never used bc
AND
over rule the old "nHeight_Version2 = 208440" SO I have no idea why ddirt wrote old code that gets over ruled, defined and never executed in to the code??
and if using " DiffChangeBlock = 3000" why not just use the number "1" ? 3000 has been passed long ago?
So some one if anyone knows what the hell they are talking about pls tell us all... Is the old back-up that we are all waiting to hit at block 208440 is 15 min or like Justin said 10 min?
will the real digisheild 1 min block re-target be used sometime SOON?
I see you guys still don't understand you get what you pay for... I see Sunuser was approached and probably asked and offered 3k or small amount like that...? Epiphany I know how nice you are and I mean this in a nice way but saying 5k Solarcoins (I'm sure you just meant what part you would throw in..) is not even close to being a rude offer!!!! it's a flat out insult!!! You all need to hear real world numbers bc Like I siad I still have my money and family memebers money in SLR so pls it's time to get real you are a CryptoCurrency whit out dealing with SLR as a Currency a real Currency you guys are just working on a CryptoCoupon "that stats on the bottom NO real value"
A coder like Sunuser needs to hear numbers like 1 million Solarcoins before your request is serious. If that scares your board then it may be time to rethink this whole thing. I have seen coders get that amount when its 2-3% of the coin cap to work on many other coins, 1 million Solarcoins is 0.2% of just the genesis pool and 0.001% of the coin cap
The board cant flip a penny at hours of work and expect it to be done right, I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong bc that scares me if you still can't see this...
I don't have the time to go look through your mess of post/code right now, I just pulled up the forum quick today to see if you finally fixed the code.
OK not sure if "ddirt" or "ubuntu" are writing code for Solarcoin now or if they are just having fun. BC non of the new code has been merged to the Master branch yet...
But reading it all al beit quickly, has me shaking me head and not seeing one thing right yet, from miss understood code to bloat code.
It's time for the Foundation to tell everyone if Justin is still working for solarcoin?
??OK diggin through this I see you all here talking about 15 min re-target...
I'm not expert like sunuser is on coding
here is what I see...
You have Justin's master branch which we are all using still bc there has been no Fork yet (so no fix has been written we are all just waiting for the original back up to kick in)
https://github.com/solarcoin/solarcoin/tree/master/src
here was from original code release it had a back up "_Version2" written in the code to start at "nHeight_Version2 = 208440" or block 208440
Now unless I messed a new wallet release somewhere you are all sitting around waiting for this back-up to hit...
I dont have the time to check but unless Justin was wrong with his math // 10 minutes was stated in his code
Code:
static const int64 nTargetTimespan_Version1 = 24 * 60 * 60; // SolarCoin: 24 Hours
static const int64 nTargetSpacing = 60 ; // SolarCoin: 1 Minute Blocks
static const int64 nInterval_Version1 = nTargetTimespan_Version1 / nTargetSpacing; // SolarCoin: 1440 blocks
static const int64 nHeight_Version2 = 208440;
static const int64 nInterval_Version2 = 15;
static const int64 nTargetTimespan_Version2 = nInterval_Version2 * nTargetSpacing; // 10 minutes
Now justin looked to be working on changing this all with a branch off the master that I'm sure he was planing to just merge when he was done and ready...
25 days ago
https://github.com/solarcoin/solarcoin/tree/diff-retarget/src
now what did justin fix the code to say?
25 days ago
https://github.com/solarcoin/solarcoin/commit/87e62b7496ba37c6fec7e264f93f22987e3c2188
He took out the old back up "_Version2" and added digishield
Code:
+ nInterval = nInterval_Version1;
+ nTargetTimespan = nTargetTimespan_Version1;
+ if (nHeight >= DiffChangeBlock) {
+ nTargetTimespan = 60 //1 min
+ nInterval = nTargetTimespan / nTargetSpacing; //60/60 = 1 block
+ //target timespan remains the same, 1 min
with "= DiffChangeBlock" set at 200000
Code:
+//block to apply patch
+static const int64_t DiffChangeBlock = 200000;
Great!!!!! old // 10 minutes back up gone and new //1 min retarget in its place at block 200000
HOWEVER in come this ddirt fork
Not sure what is goin on here but with all the talk about 15 min retarget 1 of 2 things either Justin math was wrong or you are looking at ddirt new code and it fixed Justins math
which reall blows my mind bc ddirt should not even have "_Version2" added back in and added Wrong i may add
ok ddirt fork and code
https://github.com/ddirt/solarcoin/blob/diff-retarget/src/main.cpp
Code:
int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees)
{
int64 nSubsidy = 100 * COIN;
if(nHeight < 99) {nSubsidy = 1000000000 * COIN;}
nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / 525600);
return nSubsidy + nFees;
}
static const int64 nTargetTimespan_Version1 = 24 * 60 * 60; // SolarCoin: 24 Hours
static const int64 nTargetSpacing = 60 ; // SolarCoin: 1 Minute Blocks
static const int64 nInterval_Version1 = nTargetTimespan_Version1 / nTargetSpacing; // SolarCoin: 1440 blocks
//this is used in computeminwork but no longer in getnextwork
static const int64 nHeight_Version2 = 208440;
static const int64 nInterval_Version2 = 15;
static const int64 nTargetTimespan_Version2 = nInterval_Version2 * nTargetSpacing; // 15 minutes
//block to apply patch
//CHANGE FOR PRODUCTION!
static const int64_t DiffChangeBlock = 3000;
So same numbers but now said to change every 15 min // 15 minutes not sure who is right?
??however ddirt has old code
Code:
static const int64 nHeight_Version2 = 208440;
static const int64 nInterval_Version2 = 15;
static const int64 nTargetTimespan_Version2 = nInterval_Version2 * nTargetSpacing; // 15 minutes
ONLY defined NEVER used!!!!!! bc the use of the code
Code:
if (pindexLast->nHeight+1 < nHeight_Version2)
- {
- nInterval = nInterval_Version1;
- nTargetTimespan = nTargetTimespan_Version1;
- }
- else
- {
- nInterval = nInterval_Version2;
- nTargetTimespan = nTargetTimespan_Version2;
Is missing from ddirt code?
? So there is defind code that is never used bc Code:
//block to apply patch
//CHANGE FOR PRODUCTION!
static const int64_t DiffChangeBlock = 3000;
AND
Code:
if (nHeight >= DiffChangeBlock) {
nTargetTimespan = 60; //1 min
nInterval = nTargetTimespan / nTargetSpacing; //60/60 = 1 block
//target timespan remains the same, 1 minover rule the old "nHeight_Version2 = 208440" SO I have no idea why ddirt wrote old code that gets over ruled, defined and never executed in to the code?
? and if using " DiffChangeBlock = 3000" why not just use the number "1" ? 3000 has been passed long ago?
So some one if anyone knows what the hell they are talking about pls tell us all... Is the old back-up that we are all waiting to hit at block 208440 is 15 min or like Justin said 10 min?
will the real digisheild 1 min block re-target be used sometime SOON?
I see you guys still don't understand you get what you pay for... I see Sunuser was approached and probably asked and offered 3k or small amount like that...? Epiphany I know how nice you are and I mean this in a nice way but saying 5k Solarcoins (I'm sure you just meant what part you would throw in..) is not even close to being a rude offer!!!! it's a flat out insult!!! You all need to hear real world numbers bc Like I siad I still have my money and family memebers money in SLR so pls it's time to get real you are a CryptoCurrency whit out dealing with SLR as a Currency a real Currency you guys are just working on a CryptoCoupon "that stats on the bottom NO real value"
A coder like Sunuser needs to hear numbers like 1 million Solarcoins before your request is serious. If that scares your board then it may be time to rethink this whole thing. I have seen coders get that amount when its 2-3% of the coin cap to work on many other coins, 1 million Solarcoins is 0.2% of just the genesis pool and 0.001% of the coin cap
The board cant flip a penny at hours of work and expect it to be done right, I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong bc that scares me if you still can't see this...
June 22, 2014, 11:04:39 AM
Nice volume there today though! That's good to see. 
June 22, 2014, 11:03:11 AM
Oh my God... it's killing me looking at Bittrex right now. All those juicy 1000 satoshi SolarCoins for sale and I have no money to buy them all!!!! 
June 22, 2014, 10:22:31 AM
What do you think the average solarcoin net hash rate will be when the new diff retarget comes into play in about 1k blocks? I guess we'll see what's profitable at that point? It'd be nice if the difficulty stabilized some, and settled in the 2-3 range most of the time…that way I could/would still mine :-)
Well every 15 minutes it readjusts, so I would think it would all even out over time right?
Should. It should also stop the high hashing bandits, as it should set the difficulty too high (quickly) to produce many hundreds of thousands of coins per 1440 blocks. It'd be nice to see it like it was for a couple of days before yesterday….where there were hundreds of pool workers producing a steady (not astronomical) hash rate…spread the wealth :-)
June 22, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
What do you think the average solarcoin net hash rate will be when the new diff retarget comes into play in about 1k blocks? I guess we'll see what's profitable at that point? It'd be nice if the difficulty stabilized some, and settled in the 2-3 range most of the time…that way I could/would still mine :-)
Well every 15 minutes it readjusts, so I would think it would all even out over time right?
June 22, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
What do you think the average solarcoin net hash rate will be when the new diff retarget comes into play in about 1k blocks? I guess we'll see what's profitable at that point? It'd be nice if the difficulty stabilized some, and settled in the 2-3 range most of the time…that way I could/would still mine :-)
June 22, 2014, 09:04:24 AM
Wow, check out this ranking of exchanges by volume traded. Bittrex has surpassed Cryptsy by a pretty healthy margin (more than double the volume) and is nipping at MintPal's heels right now. Looks like we are already listed on a top exchange, no need to even discuss getting listed anywhere else.
https://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/markets/info
https://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/markets/info
June 22, 2014, 07:40:32 AM
Lool another problems on Allcoin. I moved ally my bids and asks to Bittrex. Now I can sleep well
Allcoin... hehe
June 22, 2014, 06:28:39 AM
Lool another problems on Allcoin. I moved ally my bids and asks to Bittrex. Now I can sleep well
June 22, 2014, 06:18:15 AM
I don't see why the Foundation doesn't approach the big boys in the industry for solarcoin investment $? A steady flow of investment $ could easily be converted into coin revenue…which would significantly raise the valuation.
This is being discussed by the Board, but we're delaying action on outreach to big businesses until after the Foundation is legally incorporated, Bylaws finalized, etc.
See this item in the recent Board meeting minutes:
Quote
Unanimous decisions about possibilities for outreach to SolarCity and/or other major solar energy companies:
The Board will inform [names redacted] that it’s too early to take action on their proposal and make formal agreements because we’re still finalizing organizational and legal structure, but that we encourage them to have further dialogue with us.
The Board will ask [name redacted] to submit his ideas and suggestions for outreach to SolarCity and/or other residential solar companies, and any other entities in the solar industry and supply chain that he thinks are relevant.
The Board will inform [names redacted] that it’s too early to take action on their proposal and make formal agreements because we’re still finalizing organizational and legal structure, but that we encourage them to have further dialogue with us.
The Board will ask [name redacted] to submit his ideas and suggestions for outreach to SolarCity and/or other residential solar companies, and any other entities in the solar industry and supply chain that he thinks are relevant.
I'm sure (once the Foundation is legally setup) they could approach governments for investment $ as well. There are many govts. that already have funding/grant $ in place to throw at clean energy projects :-)
June 21, 2014, 03:44:53 PM
Solarcoin getting some high hashing right now 900 Mh/s + !
We're burning up those last 2k of blocks before the difficulty retarget code takes affect :-)
We're burning up those last 2k of blocks before the difficulty retarget code takes affect :-)
June 21, 2014, 03:40:49 PM
I've been following these new KnC scrypt miners lately:
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/litecoin-mining-hardware
They're almost ready to ship the first batch of Titans and mini-Titans and I'm concerned about how the scrypt market is going to respond. Last March, when they first offered the pre-order for these miners, they sold $2 million worth of miners in 4 hours:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/20/kncminer-sells-2-million-worth-of-scrypt-mining-machines-in-four-hours
That is 200 machines that are currently rated at 400 Mh/s. And that was just the first four hours. They have probably sold hundreds (if not thousands) more. And the people buying these will want to get a return on their investment. I've been considering purchasing a mini-Titan myself, but I'm not sure if I will really get a ROI, depending on how many (or how few sold). I'm predicting a relatively large Litecoin crash in the coming few months, once these first two batches of KnC Titans get shipped out. And if Litecoin crashes, then Solarcoin will crash along with it. ... Unless of course this PoS/algo stuff gets figured out soon!!!
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/litecoin-mining-hardware
They're almost ready to ship the first batch of Titans and mini-Titans and I'm concerned about how the scrypt market is going to respond. Last March, when they first offered the pre-order for these miners, they sold $2 million worth of miners in 4 hours:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/20/kncminer-sells-2-million-worth-of-scrypt-mining-machines-in-four-hours
That is 200 machines that are currently rated at 400 Mh/s. And that was just the first four hours. They have probably sold hundreds (if not thousands) more. And the people buying these will want to get a return on their investment. I've been considering purchasing a mini-Titan myself, but I'm not sure if I will really get a ROI, depending on how many (or how few sold). I'm predicting a relatively large Litecoin crash in the coming few months, once these first two batches of KnC Titans get shipped out. And if Litecoin crashes, then Solarcoin will crash along with it. ... Unless of course this PoS/algo stuff gets figured out soon!!!
Very good points. I don't think Litecoin will crash, as the difficulty will just further jump, needing more hashing power to produce more coins. On the solarcoin side, the impact is a little harder to predict. Titan owners (and other 100+ Mh/s unit owners) will be pointing their miners where the demand is. I don't think the demand is there right now for solarcoins. My guess it'll be more sporadic 1000+ Mh/s days/moments. With the low difficulty being more frequent, due to more frequent retargeting (soon), they will come. This should mean more coins on the market. It also brings back into play the idea that there could be more than the anticipated 50 million, or half of the mined solarcoins, this year. Have to also remember the block reward goes down by 50% after the 50 million mined coin.
There should be some buying times coming.
Of course, PoS would stabilize everything :-)
That may be true.
Well, what do you guys think about the Titans? Would it be worth the investment to get in on the 2nd batch?
If I got the Titan today, I'd probably pay the unit off in 2-3 weeks, but ultimately it depend on how many units they have sold. Does anyone have any idea?
Tough call. I think the profitable script coins, like Litecoin, will be pushed to great difficulties, like Bitcoin was. I think one of the big cons is the movement towards alternate, non-asic, algorithms (x11, x13, etc.). The other big con is the shift with alt coins to the short POW period, followed by POS…which may benefit solarcoin too. :-) This is an emerging trend, to follow Blackcoin. It might be tough to pay off the unit that quick, with so many others looking to put their units where it might be profitable?
June 21, 2014, 02:11:21 PM
I've been following these new KnC scrypt miners lately:
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/litecoin-mining-hardware
They're almost ready to ship the first batch of Titans and mini-Titans and I'm concerned about how the scrypt market is going to respond. Last March, when they first offered the pre-order for these miners, they sold $2 million worth of miners in 4 hours:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/20/kncminer-sells-2-million-worth-of-scrypt-mining-machines-in-four-hours
That is 200 machines that are currently rated at 400 Mh/s. And that was just the first four hours. They have probably sold hundreds (if not thousands) more. And the people buying these will want to get a return on their investment. I've been considering purchasing a mini-Titan myself, but I'm not sure if I will really get a ROI, depending on how many (or how few sold). I'm predicting a relatively large Litecoin crash in the coming few months, once these first two batches of KnC Titans get shipped out. And if Litecoin crashes, then Solarcoin will crash along with it. ... Unless of course this PoS/algo stuff gets figured out soon!!!
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/litecoin-mining-hardware
They're almost ready to ship the first batch of Titans and mini-Titans and I'm concerned about how the scrypt market is going to respond. Last March, when they first offered the pre-order for these miners, they sold $2 million worth of miners in 4 hours:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/20/kncminer-sells-2-million-worth-of-scrypt-mining-machines-in-four-hours
That is 200 machines that are currently rated at 400 Mh/s. And that was just the first four hours. They have probably sold hundreds (if not thousands) more. And the people buying these will want to get a return on their investment. I've been considering purchasing a mini-Titan myself, but I'm not sure if I will really get a ROI, depending on how many (or how few sold). I'm predicting a relatively large Litecoin crash in the coming few months, once these first two batches of KnC Titans get shipped out. And if Litecoin crashes, then Solarcoin will crash along with it. ... Unless of course this PoS/algo stuff gets figured out soon!!!
Very good points. I don't think Litecoin will crash, as the difficulty will just further jump, needing more hashing power to produce more coins. On the solarcoin side, the impact is a little harder to predict. Titan owners (and other 100+ Mh/s unit owners) will be pointing their miners where the demand is. I don't think the demand is there right now for solarcoins. My guess it'll be more sporadic 1000+ Mh/s days/moments. With the low difficulty being more frequent, due to more frequent retargeting (soon), they will come. This should mean more coins on the market. It also brings back into play the idea that there could be more than the anticipated 50 million, or half of the mined solarcoins, this year. Have to also remember the block reward goes down by 50% after the 50 million mined coin.
There should be some buying times coming.
Of course, PoS would stabilize everything :-)
That may be true.
Well, what do you guys think about the Titans? Would it be worth the investment to get in on the 2nd batch?
If I got the Titan today, I'd probably pay the unit off in 2-3 weeks, but ultimately it depend on how many units they have sold. Does anyone have any idea?
June 21, 2014, 01:03:29 PM
Turn those machines back on.
Right now the hash rate is 420 mh/s. Hash rate 420, heh heh.
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