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legendary
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Wondering how we structure data, what release cycle we are aiming for, or where we aim to start our next Tagion community? Here is your chance to get the answer to anything Tagion related.

On Thursday the 8th of October from 3 PM CET to 5 PM CET, we are hosting an- Ask Me Anything - session on Telegram.
 
To participate online, you need to sign up here at Eventbrite by following this link:
https://www.eventbrite.dk/e/tagion-ama-ask-me-anything-tickets-123159935683
 
For your convenience, we will also provide you with a write-up of the whole AMA sessions.
Find this on forum.tagion.org once done Wink

Great stuff, will definitely join and check out the AMA. Smiley

member
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Wondering how we structure data, what release cycle we are aiming for, or where we aim to start our next Tagion community? Here is your chance to get the answer to anything Tagion related.

On Thursday the 8th of October from 3 PM CET to 5 PM CET, we are hosting an- Ask Me Anything - session on Telegram.
 
To participate online, you need to sign up here at Eventbrite by following this link:
https://www.eventbrite.dk/e/tagion-ama-ask-me-anything-tickets-123159935683
 
For your convenience, we will also provide you with a write-up of the whole AMA sessions.
Find this on forum.tagion.org once done Wink
member
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No problem. We have been rather overwhelmed by the number of applications to be honest. But we will go through them as fast as possible.
All the best, and thanks for taking interest in Tagion.

/tobias
legendary
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Bitcoin Trader
Hey guys,

the Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-tagion-bounty-earn-tagion-btc-fiat-5267488
that's cool, i joined the tagion telegram, i signed up on this, let's see what's interesting about this project and i want to take a deeper look at the project, just waiting for them to reply and message me  Wink

Great to have you on board - we will make sure to contact you regarding the bounty hunt asap. But we take this seriously, so we are going through every application manually to ensure the integrity of our bounty hunst as well as possible.

/tobias
Thank you for your response, but I will be waiting for the next news for manual selection and I am also happy if I can really be a part of your project, I am also still reading more about your project, cheers
member
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Hey guys,

the Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-tagion-bounty-earn-tagion-btc-fiat-5267488
that's cool, i joined the tagion telegram, i signed up on this, let's see what's interesting about this project and i want to take a deeper look at the project, just waiting for them to reply and message me  Wink

Great to have you on board - we will make sure to contact you regarding the bounty hunt asap. But we take this seriously, so we are going through every application manually to ensure the integrity of our bounty hunst as well as possible.

/tobias
legendary
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Bitcoin Trader
Hey guys,

the Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-tagion-bounty-earn-tagion-btc-fiat-5267488
that's cool, i joined the tagion telegram, i signed up on this, let's see what's interesting about this project and i want to take a deeper look at the project, just waiting for them to reply and message me  Wink
legendary
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Hey guys,

the Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0
It is hard to find a specific bounty post on the Bounty section. So it would be better if you directly link you bounty thread link on this post, so that people can directly visit your thread.
BTW a question: will the team contact with us after the deadline end for the application?

BTW found that the team is very active here in the forum answering all the questions from the community. Wish you a very good luck with the project. Will read the whitepaper when become free.


My bad, i copy pasted the wrong link!
I edited the post with the correct link now.

Yes indeed, the team is very active and is also doing AMA's every some weeks to answer everything the community wants to know Smiley
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I'm Matured Now
Hey guys,

the Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0
It is hard to find a specific bounty post on the Bounty section. So it would be better if you directly link you bounty thread link on this post, so that people can directly visit your thread.
BTW a question: will the team contact with us after the deadline end for the application?

BTW found that the team is very active here in the forum answering all the questions from the community. Wish you a very good luck with the project. Will read the whitepaper when become free.
legendary
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Hey guys,

the Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-tagion-bounty-earn-tagion-btc-fiat-5267488
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@cavo32

Thank's for the positive feedback. The first business we have reached out to are coffee shops - so we like your way of thinking Smiley
If you want to keep track of our project, please sign up for our forum: https://forum.tagion.org/ and our telegram group https://t.me/tagionChat.

 
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hi @cavo32

Yes we have started reaching out to different companies and organisations.
Countries we have access to include: Ukraine, Denmark, Pakistan.

Examples of businesses that can benefit from our proposition include full ecosystems that can develop an economic component (example: independent movie marketplaces, coffeeshop chains, e-commerce) or that have a solid community and are looking into deploying a transparent loyalty program. These are the immediate propositions.

Longterm, banking as a service, payment as a service, and finance sectors are the target. This depends on the health status of our network and how stable it is.

We are an open monetary system, at the end of the day, we depend on market validation and progress.

Since we are not a dApp platform, our competitors are mostly DAG based projects that focus on monetary solutions with non-mining non-staking consensus, the ones that focus and measure throughputs per second.

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For the part about edge over competitors:
We are not just building a protocol, we have a full tech stack (which btw we're open sourcing through monthly releases as we pen test it) that includes 3 patents, Tagion protocol with proprietary monetary currency and elastic supply, DEX protocol with fair price matching, API modules, wallet.

We have improved the governance by implementing a digital trust layer and a proof of community consensus.
Customers can customise, mimic, or use the main DART (distributed database) and governance model.

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DART distributed database explanation proof of Community and digital trust layer implementation explanation from senior developer Carsten Keutmann
https://forum.tagion.org/t/proof-of-community/78

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DEX protocol explanation in the 2nd part of this article, explaining fair price discovery.
https://forum.tagion.org/t/decentralized-exchanges-and-tagion-dex/85

Coming soon, article on elastic supply Smiley



Thank you very much for that elaborate answer. In my opinion, you need to reach out those businesses like those movie marketplaces, coffee shop chains, ecommerce in the first stage. Because if you will get at least couple of them to be on board, it will be a perfect example that your system will be beneficial to them. And if it really works on their side, they can easily endorse it to other businesses. Word of mouth is a powerful marketing tool.

Also, you've stated about 3 patents. And that shows that your project here is indeed sincere as you are going to the extent of filing patents. Very few projects can actually go to that route.

Looking forward to see company logos on your website that will be using your technology. I hope you will have long list for that. Because that will cement your existence in crypto community. The more companies deploying your network, the more valuable your platform is.
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hi @cavo32

Yes we have started reaching out to different companies and organisations.
Countries we have access to include: Ukraine, Denmark, Pakistan.

Examples of businesses that can benefit from our proposition include full ecosystems that can develop an economic component (example: independent movie marketplaces, coffeeshop chains, e-commerce) or that have a solid community and are looking into deploying a transparent loyalty program. These are the immediate propositions.

Longterm, banking as a service, payment as a service, and finance sectors are the target. This depends on the health status of our network and how stable it is.

We are an open monetary system, at the end of the day, we depend on market validation and progress.

Since we are not a dApp platform, our competitors are mostly DAG based projects that focus on monetary solutions with non-mining non-staking consensus, the ones that focus and measure throughputs per second.

-

For the part about edge over competitors:
We are not just building a protocol, we have a full tech stack (which btw we're open sourcing through monthly releases as we pen test it) that includes 3 patents, Tagion protocol with proprietary monetary currency and elastic supply, DEX protocol with fair price matching, API modules, wallet.

We have improved the governance by implementing a digital trust layer and a proof of community consensus.
Customers can customise, mimic, or use the main DART (distributed database) and governance model.

-

DART distributed database explanation proof of Community and digital trust layer implementation explanation from senior developer Carsten Keutmann
https://forum.tagion.org/t/proof-of-community/78

-
DEX protocol explanation in the 2nd part of this article, explaining fair price discovery.
https://forum.tagion.org/t/decentralized-exchanges-and-tagion-dex/85

Coming soon, article on elastic supply Smiley


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Are there potential companies or organizations that are interested in deploying your system? Have you reached out companies that will benefit your ecosystem, if in case they will integrate it in their operations? What set of people are going to be attracted by your system?

And who are your major competitors in your chosen field, can you name popular platforms? What do you think is your edge over them?
newbie
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Tagion FAQ #9

Elinor Ostrom was an American political economist whose work was associated with the New Institutional Economics and the resurgence of political economy.

In 2009, she was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in #Economic Sciences for her “analysis of economic governance, especially the #commons”, which she shared with Oliver E. Williamson. To date, she remains the first of only two women to win the #nobelprize in Economics, the other being Esther Duflo.

#Tagion has based much of its governing on the principles for a common that Elinor Orstrom developed.


Quick Update:

Last month, we had the first Open Source release, on Github, called Tagion Basic Module.
You can read more about it here: https://landing-i25s.ambassify.com/post/22583?


GitHub Link: https://github.com/tagion/tagion_basic

Note: Every month, we're doing small releases in which we open source the code on our Github repository.
The next big release is the Alpha TestNet Release.
We will post here more details once the content is ready (press release, social media announcements, other landing pages, Github Link).

Best,

Roxana (CSO)
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Tagion FAQ #9

Elinor Ostrom was an American political economist whose work was associated with the New Institutional Economics and the resurgence of political economy.

In 2009, she was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in #Economic Sciences for her “analysis of economic governance, especially the #commons”, which she shared with Oliver E. Williamson. To date, she remains the first of only two women to win the #nobelprize in Economics, the other being Esther Duflo.

#Tagion has based much of its governing on the principles for a common that Elinor Orstrom developed.
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@criptix

When can we expect the start of the alpha network and will normal users also be allowed to play around with the alpha network?We do our best not to promise releases before we have tested them thoroughly and are satisfied with them our selves. We have an internal date that we will make public at a later stage

Thousands of tx per second would be incredible and several magnitudes higher compared to BTC and ETH...
It is. We are running some simulations at the moment to present the calculations to the community asap



#Tagion FAQ #8

What is a #Dapp?
A #decentralized application is a computer application that runs on a distributed computing system. Dapps have been popularized by distributed ledger technologies such as the Ethereum Blockchain, where Dapps are often referred to as smart contracts.

Can I build a Dapp on Tagion?
In the classical sense: no. Tagion is optimized for token transfers and is therefore not equipped with a stateful machine. It is, however, possible to build #smartcontracts contracts and run the transfer through Tagion.

Thinking out of the box: yes. It is possible to use #stateless smart contracts, and they have to be compliant with Tagion. Ethereum supports state full smart contracts which makes it simple to write a smart contract that could be used.

FAQ post: https://[Suspicious link removed]/dHp9gZr and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat


[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
legendary
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@criptix

Let me give you an example of how this will work, to clarify further:

Firstly, my answer above is as correct, but technically there is more to it. In the Tagion network, users do not have one or more wallets in the system. Instead, each user owns one or more private spend keys that can unlock their Tagions on the network for use.
Now, for shards - in Tagion, we call a Shard a Sub-DART, as this is technically more correct, as there is more to it than what you have going for traditional database shards. So, I'll be using the term Sub-DART in the following. And now, let's get to it:

As a rule, all Tagions exist in the Main DART. When - for various reasons - it makes sense to have some Tagions assigned to a particular Sub-DART (an example could be Alice's wallet assigning 10 Tagions to Sub-DART A that covers a certain geographical region, optimizing this for transaction speed), the 10 Tagions in the Main DART are locked and then assigned to the Sub-DART.

Now, when Alice, through her wallet pays 5 Tagions to Bob, her own 10 Tagions are destroyed, 5 new are made for herself, 5 new are made for Bob, and Sub-DART ledger entries (anonymous) are updated accordingly. Only once Alice or Bob, or anyone else that may have received Tagions out of Alice's original 10, have their wallet (or software), making a transaction out of Sub-DART A, the Main DART is updated.

This - rather complex setup - helps optimizing transaction speed and reduces the number of required transactions to move funds around, to a minimum.

The transactions that take place and the split of the Tagions in the Sub-DART are all secured by the use of cryptographic signatures, and the Sub-DART ledger makes sure that the locked Tagions in the  Main DART ends up in the right place, once transactions happen through it.

Luckily, the above is invisible to the end-user. The user experience will be that you, through your wallet or other software, request to make a payment or transfer of Tagions to another, and then this happens within a few seconds.

This is - btw - also the same pattern that is used for our DEX (decentralized exchange).

There is not a function that allows for sharing a high transaction workload with other Shards. As the above explains, it will take a transaction out of the Sub-DART, to move Tagions. And then, why not just use the transaction to finalize what needs to be done?

Another thing is that it would be a very positive situation, if we have a "Sub-DART tx overload" situation, as each Sub-DART will be capable of handling thousands of transactions per second and have a transaction fully processed within a few seconds.
We are looking very much forward to test exactly how many thousands of transactions shortly, as we've made quite some updates to the protocols. Our simulations will take place on the Alpha network, and we're hoping to hit only easy solvable bottlenecks - but let's see Smiley

This sounds awesome!

When can we expect the start of the alpha network and will normal users also be allowed to play around with the alpha network?

Thousands of tx per second would be incredible and several magnitudes higher compared to BTC and ETH... Smiley
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@criptix

Let me give you an example of how this will work, to clarify further:

Firstly, my answer above is as correct, but technically there is more to it. In the Tagion network, users do not have one or more wallets in the system. Instead, each user owns one or more private spend keys that can unlock their Tagions on the network for use.
Now, for shards - in Tagion, we call a Shard a Sub-DART, as this is technically more correct, as there is more to it than what you have going for traditional database shards. So, I'll be using the term Sub-DART in the following. And now, let's get to it:

As a rule, all Tagions exist in the Main DART. When - for various reasons - it makes sense to have some Tagions assigned to a particular Sub-DART (an example could be Alice's wallet assigning 10 Tagions to Sub-DART A that covers a certain geographical region, optimizing this for transaction speed), the 10 Tagions in the Main DART are locked and then assigned to the Sub-DART.

Now, when Alice, through her wallet pays 5 Tagions to Bob, her own 10 Tagions are destroyed, 5 new are made for herself, 5 new are made for Bob, and Sub-DART ledger entries (anonymous) are updated accordingly. Only once Alice or Bob, or anyone else that may have received Tagions out of Alice's original 10, have their wallet (or software), making a transaction out of Sub-DART A, the Main DART is updated.

This - rather complex setup - helps optimizing transaction speed and reduces the number of required transactions to move funds around, to a minimum.

The transactions that take place and the split of the Tagions in the Sub-DART are all secured by the use of cryptographic signatures, and the Sub-DART ledger makes sure that the locked Tagions in the  Main DART ends up in the right place, once transactions happen through it.

Luckily, the above is invisible to the end-user. The user experience will be that you, through your wallet or other software, request to make a payment or transfer of Tagions to another, and then this happens within a few seconds.

This is - btw - also the same pattern that is used for our DEX (decentralized exchange).

There is not a function that allows for sharing a high transaction workload with other Shards. As the above explains, it will take a transaction out of the Sub-DART, to move Tagions. And then, why not just use the transaction to finalize what needs to be done?

Another thing is that it would be a very positive situation, if we have a "Sub-DART tx overload" situation, as each Sub-DART will be capable of handling thousands of transactions per second and have a transaction fully processed within a few seconds.
We are looking very much forward to test exactly how many thousands of transactions shortly, as we've made quite some updates to the protocols. Our simulations will take place on the Alpha network, and we're hoping to hit only easy solvable bottlenecks - but let's see Smiley
legendary
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Tagion FAQ #5


What is a shard?

A database shard is a horizontal partition of data in a database or search engine. Each individual partition is referred to as a shard or database shard. Each shard is held on a separate file system to spread the load.
Tagion’s database, DART, supports sharding on a single DART where the DART is divided between nodes in the network. This means that only a fraction of the data is stored in a node’s local file system.
One of the examples is having a sub-DART for a video game, so that in-game transactions don’t stall the main network - and ensures the data as it is only the owner of the data that can modify or erase it. This is not the case for a torrent file system.

Some data within a database remains present in all shards, but some appear only in a single shard. Each shard (or server) acts as the single source for this subset of data. A node always has a copy of the data to secure data in case a node is lost. It also improves the load speed because you can load data from several nodes at once. It also reduces distributed denial-of-service (DDoS).

FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat



This should help against blockchain bloat for sure and will make it much less ressource intensive to run a full node i guess.

Do you have an estimate how big shards will become with time?
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@noteblox1

To be honest the comparison might be a bit off. DAG is a graph structure, DLTs is a more general term for several technologies put together.
Most blockchains use a DAG structure, including Bitcoin. Bitcoin then uses a collection of transactions in a block to do a "clearing" of the transactions.
But transactions can still be on the same as a DAY.

Example: IOTA uses a DAG structure directly without a blockchain for clearing. This means that you need to connect to the server that has your transactions in its database for you to view your coins. This has meant that IOTA uses a centralized server to solve this problem...

In short, most DLT uses a DAG structure, but they use different "Clearings" solutions.



We are going opensource!  Smiley Smiley

Check out our first module on GitHub! More will follow soon...

Find it here https://github.com/tagion/tagion_basic

#release #altcoins #developers #developercommunity



CEO, Theis Simonsen "We have always wanted to be open source. Tagion_basic is our first release and hopefully, it is the first seed to a growing community"

#Tagion has gone #opensource. Our first module is available on #GitHub!

Find it here https:https://[Suspicious link removed]/dmNT7ee
#release #altcoins #developers #developercommunity



CTO, Carsten Bleser Rasmussen: "The Tagion_basic release is not much in its self, but it is the foundation for all our future releases"

#Tagion has gone #opensource. Our first module is available on #GitHub!

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