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drkman

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Quote from: Kevondo on October 15, 2014, 10:06:09 PM

Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 06:01:21 PM

Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 04:00:57 PM

...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...

Well that spells it all right there. Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"

Kev, unfortunately your system of voting and ownership will not achieve what you wish. It's like saying that if you own 1 bitcoin, you have the right to own another guys 1 million bitcoins. Or Like buying 1 share of facebook with 10,000 different accounts and then claiming that you should be the owner of Facebook because there are only 9,000 other shareholders (in your scenario Zuckerberg only gets 1 share vote on the direction of Facebook and thus is no longer the owner of Facebook). It is not only grossly unfair but anyone could create multiple wallets and accounts and get leveraged voting power for their own interests. The only fair way to vote is via the blockchain itself. Each coin is its own vote there can be no other fair way and everyone understands this except for the Island of Kevondo and his foul mouthed helper named lootz.

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Quote from: Kevondo on October 15, 2014, 10:06:09 PM

Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 06:01:21 PM

Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 04:00:57 PM

...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...

Well that spells it all right there. Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"

Well there you go, now drk respond with something a little more intelligent then just calling people DENSE. .......and sucking the devs nutz ROFL

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Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 10:10:10 PM

The weighted voting issue. Kev wanted 1 vote per account and James reminded him that his gift back to us is based on weighted share ownership of the actual coins, because anything less is clearly grossly unfair and also prone to manipulation. But he has continued to bring it up to this day here and on the vericoinforums. So you are saying that because I am supposed to know he is older than me, I am supposed to then acquiesce to his unhealthy and unfair repetitive demands when they have already been settled both in theory by James and in practicality by Patrick? This is your claim.

This is the issue. Things aren't settled by individuals in a Democracy. Everyone gets a an equal Vote in a Democracy.

No "one" person or persons can dictate to the community in a Democracy.

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The weighted voting issue. Kev wanted 1 vote per account and James reminded him that his gift back to us is based on weighted share ownership of the actual coins, because anything less is clearly grossly unfair and also prone to manipulation. But he has continued to bring it up to this day here and on the vericoinforums. So you are saying that because I am supposed to know he is older than me, I am supposed to then acquiesce to his unhealthy and unfair repetitive demands when they have already been settled both in theory by James and in practicality by Patrick? This is your claim.

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Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 06:01:21 PM

Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 04:00:57 PM

...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...

Well that spells it all right there. Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"

lootz

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Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 09:34:26 PM

Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 09:27:48 PM

Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 09:04:21 PM

Are you done argueing with yourself on the internets? Did you win? Awesome job and the profanity too...you showed them. You keep your opinions and I'll stick with facts. Still waiting for how Kev is putting himself in the communities shoes while I and Pat and James and everyone else who donated and then voted their shares are not. It's your claim, so defend it and not just hide behind your current tactic of name calling and profanity.

Showed them lol I was talking to you. You were talking to the DENSE community when you started
You should be ashamed of yourself Kev is like a grandpa, instead of reasoning and talking to him you said what you said.
Yea thats what I thought, you suck those dev nutz.

This was already settled over 20 pages ago by James himself and there was much reasoning back then just as I laid out now because it was surprisingly brought up yet again by Kev even though he donated nothing. Now kindly stop your use of profane words on the forum and argue like a man instead of a little boy.

What was settled ? The fact that your first response to Kevondo was childish and instead of explaining calmly what Kevondo may not understand about the deal or you may feel he has wrong ... you call him DENSE and then go on and on.

I am sorry do you not like when people like me speak to you, the way you did to him ?

I gave 50% of my coin the second time around. The only thing I am saying is that the way it was handled was confusing and more people would of donated if people who understood would of explained it to the people that did not.

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Yeah like you really know what is actually happening behind the scenes, knew you were still around there buddy. You got an inside track on what's going on behind the scenes that nobody but the Devs has? Seriously would like to know what you got. I think you got something with that Bro though, seriously thinking about putting some down on that in a few days. Thanks for the info.

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Quote from: Isokoira on October 15, 2014, 09:45:56 PM

Come on Lootz, you are already in the new Forums. No need to be here wasting time and energy. We all know you have better things to do. I myself have nothing better to do, I'll admit that. I come here for the daily comedy from the one who likes to refer to people as Stooges. I won't name any names though. Just sitting back and watching things unfold.

Hold on a minute, gotta go grab another beer.

Not "people", just the ones that go on running around like headless hens.

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Come on Lootz, you are already in the new Forums. No need to be here wasting time and energy. We all know you have better things to do. I myself have nothing better to do, I'll admit that. I come here for the daily comedy from the one who likes to refer to people as Stooges. I won't name any names though. Just sitting back and watching things unfold.

Hold on a minute, gotta go grab another beer.

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Quote from: jd1959 on October 15, 2014, 07:40:28 PM

Hi altcoinUK
I'm not cheer-leading anything. I don't recommend any investment in any coin to anyone. What offends me is people that go on about Dev's not doing this or that. If you can do better step right up and do it. If you can't

do it then, you have the choice of investing else where it's that simple . So it's ether put up or shut up. As for handling the truth the market is what the market is, ain't that the truth? I don't comment ever about the

price It's not really that critical, what is critical is the long term use of crypto. There will be both winners and losers, that's life. Have a good one and I wish you luck when you step up and become a world leading crypto

Dev wading through Knee deep Troll shit and fud.

Jon Wink

Definitely +1

drkman

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Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 09:27:48 PM

Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 09:04:21 PM

Are you done argueing with yourself on the internets? Did you win? Awesome job and the profanity too...you showed them. You keep your opinions and I'll stick with facts. Still waiting for how Kev is putting himself in the communities shoes while I and Pat and James and everyone else who donated and then voted their shares are not. It's your claim, so defend it and not just hide behind your current tactic of name calling and profanity.

Showed them lol I was talking to you. You were talking to the DENSE community when you started
You should be ashamed of yourself Kev is like a grandpa, instead of reasoning and talking to him you said what you said.
Yea thats what I thought, you suck those dev nutz.

This was already settled over 20 pages ago by James himself and there was much reasoning back then just as I laid out now, but it was surprisingly brought up yet again by Kev even though he donated nothing. Now kindly stop your use of profane words on the forum and argue like a man instead of a little boy.

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Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 09:04:21 PM

Are you done argueing with yourself on the internets? Did you win? Awesome job and the profanity too...you showed them. You keep your opinions and I'll stick with facts. Still waiting for how Kev is putting himself in the communities shoes while I and Pat and James and everyone else who donated and then voted their shares are not. It's your claim, so defend it and not just hide behind your current tactic of name calling and profanity.

Showed them lol I was talking to you. You were talking to the DENSE community when you started
You should be ashamed of yourself Kev is like a grandpa, instead of reasoning and talking to him you said what you said.

....Yea thats what I thought, you suck those dev nutz.

drkman

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Are you done argueing with yourself on the internets? Did you win? Awesome job and the profanity too...you showed them. You keep your opinions and I'll stick with facts. Still waiting for how Kev is putting himself in the communities shoes when he demands control of 80% of the James funds while I and Pat and James and everyone else who donated to the James funds and then voted their shares are not. It's your claim, so defend it and not just hide behind your current tactic of name calling and profanity.

lootz

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Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 06:01:21 PM

Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 04:00:57 PM

...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...

Well that spells it all right there. Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

Lets make it clear, I am accusing you of not understanding where other people are coming from, the statement above was an example but I should not of expected such a simple mind to understand that. I never accused the Devs as a matter of fact they just may agree that most people did not understand what was going on with the deal. You starting talking your shit without humbly understanding where Kevondo was coming from, you clearly do not do well with women that is just a guess. Maybe next time ask some questions as to why people feel the way they do so an effective conversation may materialize into a chat that is more productive then your accusations. Maybe next time you will think twice about calling the community Dense then expect them to kiss your ass because you introduced 2 business men to each other. Stop sucking the devs nutz and acting like you are on their side after attacking the community with DENSE words. Now go get your shine box...

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I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?

Hi altcoinUK
I'm not cheer-leading anything. I don't recommend any investment in any coin to anyone. What offends me is people that go on about Dev's not doing this or that. If you can do better step right up and do it. If you can't

do it then, you have the choice of investing else where it's that simple . So it's ether put up or shut up. As for handling the truth the market is what the market is, ain't that the truth? I don't comment ever about the

price It's not really that critical, what is critical is the long term use of crypto. There will be both winners and losers, that's life. Have a good one and I wish you luck when you step up and become a world leading crypto

Dev wading through Knee deep Troll shit and fud.

Jon Wink

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Hello

Quote from: barabbas on October 14, 2014, 11:26:34 PM

RELATIVELY OFF-TOPIC

In 7 days, there's going to be a huge rush in crypto to participate in an ICO that is going to make history: BRO [...]
So be aware of the macro influences that are already affecting the markets BUT, by all means, please do your own diligence.

You give a man a BRO, he'll chill for a day. Teach a man to chill, he'll have BROs for life.

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Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 04:00:57 PM

...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...

Well that spells it all right there. Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

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roadmap looking good for this coin. I like the stability of the price also, you know it will not be dumped to 2200 like XST as it is a true value at the moment and can only go up.
It usually floats between 9K and 11K so buying now is smart I think.

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Quote from: drkman on October 15, 2014, 01:15:23 PM

Quote from: lootz on October 15, 2014, 12:08:42 AM

I guess thats what I get for giving you a little credit barabus lol w/e. Yes I am well aware of James and am a firm believer in his work. I INVESTED 50% of all my VRC in the SuperNET and very happy I did because it introduced me to a world of poeple that are simply amazing. Especially NXT people very libertarian. And as for my statement regarding Kev they were not towards you but DRKMAN who is not putting himself in the communities shoes as Kev is. Even though they both have vaild points

I continue to gather SuperNET everytime I get a few bucks, I live in NYC. These Jerk Offs are talking regulations. Putting their hands in my cookie jar once too many times. I believe decentralization is key, it needs to come faster. This is my way of fighting back, I realize I will never get rich off supernet but at least I can be a passenger on the train that its moving so quick it cannot be stopped.

Cheers

Lootz, Are you kidding me???!! James clearly stated that he was giving the coins back to the community to choose how to use the coins based on "WEIGHTED VOTES" DO you even know what that means? IT MEANS THAT IF YOU DID NOT CONTRIBUTE THEN YOU VOTE ALL YOUR SHARES WHICH IS ZERO!

Do I need to repeat that yet again to the seemingly dense people on this forum like Lootz or Kev!? I hope not. So for you to suggest that giving all our donated VRC to the SuperNET in exchange for UNITY is NOT thinking for the community, then you have it exactly backwards. The more VRC we can get to the SuperNET, the better it is for us. Kevondo is trying to stop that just as he was against James and getting more dev help in the first place.

I would like to remind you Lootz that James would not be involved with us 1 iota if it were not for my idea to seek James out, form a relationship with him, and then tirelessly work to facilitate a long term partnership with him and our Devs. So you are welcome, my friend, for your new found discovery and love of NXT and SuperNET, and for the already 100% gains in VRC and the coming future value that James and the SuperNET will provide us.

Quote from: jl777 on September 06, 2014, 12:47:04 AM

Hello, I am visiting here and it makes me a bit sad what has happened to VRC and the community.
I was approached by drkman about a month ago to help VRC. We came up with a plan that I guess is known here as dev4

Since the basic structure is different than the current SuperNET, this creates some issues, but I did agree to it upon some conditions being met, so if these conditions are met, I will honor the agreement that I made.

But you may need to go back and read some posts and educate yourself a little better so you don't make factually incorrect statements and you are accusing Patrick and James of not thinking of the community because it is they who organized the UNITY vote and buy, not I.

wow you still talking ? Clarity was an issue, ask anyone. Noone understood what the fuck was going on. I am not accusing anyone of anything. MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself so you are correct I would need to look that up. Next time you run your mouth put yourself in the other persons shoes instead of talking like a jerk off. Dense is thinking that people had a firm grasp as to what the deal was and repeating it over and over when clearly many people missed out because it was not clear at all. My investor buddies told me that they did not do it because they had no idea what it was about. LOL He said Dense, look in the mirror hot head

PS. As far as you thinking I owe you something because you introduced X to Y, you can go fuck yourself I don't owe anyone shit because I work hard every night on what I believe in. Not just a brief moment in time....Cough. If I do something I dont expect anyone to think they owe me anything unlike you apparently after hearing you repeat your greatest fucking moment in time. CONGRATULATIONS.....NOW WHAT ?

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