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i know its actually mind boggling... the time and effort they put in.. nuts Huh
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in ANY other situation i would agree with u ... and i still kinda do, I'm torn.. don't want to shut this thread down but its gotten so crazy seems like the only option.
maybe a vote? i don't know ... maybe somehow someway it'll calm down a bit here but i don't see that happening ...

Well the best thing we could all do on this forum is stop feeding the trolls. Rule #14. If you feed the trolls, they win.
your 100% right lol I'm actually mad at myself i broke and stooped to that lvl... not my character... either way i got it all out now. i assure you it won't happen again Wink

Haha it's definitely not easy!! These guys are seriously good trolls!

It's not in the least bit easy.

They seem to be pros and while VRC itself has come under attack (e.g. the MintPal hack, the DoS attacks on the supernodes, huge sell walls whenever the price starts to rise, etc.), they apparently also want to destroy the entire community as well (via disruptive tactics and their attempts at discrediting the devs). They're waging psychological warfare on us here.  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychological+warfare

I believe that too. Nobody writes books without a reason.
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On a different note:
Looking back at some old Tweets, I definitely have to agree with LooTz when he said,

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Seems VRC have a lot of haters, that just might be good news if they see Vericoin as a threat

https://twitter.com/ScottAllyn/status/494941954887524352
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good job avoiding most of the valid points though Wink

"But perhaps no behaviors are as frustrating to someone trying to elicit some degree of accountability from another as are the tactics of evasion and diversion.

A moving target is hard to hit. If you try to confront an issue head on, a person who wants to manipulate you will do their best to side-step the issue. Evading a matter of central concern is a great way not only to dodge responsibility, but also to keep the light of illumination from shining on the behavior needing attention."

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/05/evasion-and-diversion/

I am just ignoring an illiterate idiot obsessed with eating dick, but whatever serves your deranged purpose, feel 100% free... For now at least. Wow.

After all of the insults and other crap that you've dished out on this thread over the course of the last few weeks (that I've been watching), you're actually going to try to play the victim after you finally pushed someone to the breaking point?   That's rich  Roll Eyes

"Manipulators often play the victim role ("poor me") by portraying themselves as victims of circumstances or someone else's behavior in order to gain pity or sympathy or to evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. Caring and conscientious people cannot stand to see anyone suffering, and the manipulator often finds it easy and rewarding to play on sympathy to get cooperation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_playing#By_manipulators
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I am just ignoring an illiterate idiot obsessed with eating dick, but whatever serves your deranged purpose, feel 100% free... For now at least. Wow.

My gay friends use "eat a dick!" interchangeably with "FU!" so the phrase never struck me as being homophobic. Your reaction to it is certainly interesting, tho. Smiley
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good job avoiding most of the valid points though Wink

"But perhaps no behaviors are as frustrating to someone trying to elicit some degree of accountability from another as are the tactics of evasion and diversion.

A moving target is hard to hit. If you try to confront an issue head on, a person who wants to manipulate you will do their best to side-step the issue. Evading a matter of central concern is a great way not only to dodge responsibility, but also to keep the light of illumination from shining on the behavior needing attention."

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/05/evasion-and-diversion/

I am just ignoring an illiterate idiot obsessed with eating dick, but whatever serves your deranged purpose, feel 100% free... For now at least. Wow.
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Looking awesome guys!! Keep up the good work!!

Looks incredible!  I REALLY look forward to posting in a better venue than this one!
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in ANY other situation i would agree with u ... and i still kinda do, I'm torn.. don't want to shut this thread down but its gotten so crazy seems like the only option.
maybe a vote? i don't know ... maybe somehow someway it'll calm down a bit here but i don't see that happening ...

Well the best thing we could all do on this forum is stop feeding the trolls. Rule #14. If you feed the trolls, they win.
your 100% right lol I'm actually mad at myself i broke and stooped to that lvl... not my character... either way i got it all out now. i assure you it won't happen again Wink

Haha it's definitely not easy!! These guys are seriously good trolls!

It's not in the least bit easy.

They seem to be pros and while VRC itself has come under attack (e.g. the MintPal hack, the DoS attacks on the supernodes, huge sell walls whenever the price starts to rise, etc.), they apparently also want to destroy the entire community as well (via disruptive tactics and their attempts at discrediting the devs). They're waging psychological warfare on us here.  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychological+warfare
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...
 (tl;dr)
...

good job avoiding most of the valid points though Wink

"But perhaps no behaviors are as frustrating to someone trying to elicit some degree of accountability from another as are the tactics of evasion and diversion.

A moving target is hard to hit. If you try to confront an issue head on, a person who wants to manipulate you will do their best to side-step the issue. Evading a matter of central concern is a great way not only to dodge responsibility, but also to keep the light of illumination from shining on the behavior needing attention."

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/05/evasion-and-diversion/
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Hello
in ANY other situation i would agree with u ... and i still kinda do, I'm torn.. don't want to shut this thread down but its gotten so crazy seems like the only option.
maybe a vote? i don't know ... maybe somehow someway it'll calm down a bit here but i don't see that happening ...

Well the best thing we could all do on this forum is stop feeding the trolls. Rule #14. If you feed the trolls, they win.
your 100% right lol I'm actually mad at myself i broke and stooped to that lvl... not my character... either way i got it all out now. i assure you it won't happen again Wink

Haha it's definitely not easy!! These guys are seriously good trolls!
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what we have here, Jay Jay, is nothing else but a very few but very rabid beasts, protected by the anon that the internet provides.

You really remind me of a better trained version of Baghdad Bob, barabbas.  I can't say that I admire what you do but I definitely have to give credit where credit is due because after having previously done a considerable amount of research on propaganda and more specifically, the ways that we can all be psychological manipulated by others (including those in the media), I have never actually encountered someone with as much skill as you have in gaslighting.

Check it out, this seems to fit many of your posts to a T:

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2011/11/08/gaslighting/

"In recent years, the term “gaslighting” has come to be applied to attempts by certain kinds of personalities, especially psychopaths — who are among the personalities most adept at sophisticated tactics of manipulation — to create so much doubt in the minds of their targets of exploitation that the victim no longer trusts their own judgment about things and buys into the assertions of the manipulator, thus coming under their power and control.

Effective gaslighting can be accomplished in several different ways. Sometimes, a person can assert something with such an apparent intensity of conviction that the other person begins to doubt their own perspective. Other times, vigorous and unwavering denial coupled with a display of righteous indignation can accomplish the same task. Bringing up historical facts that seem largely accurate but contain minute, hard-to-prove distortions and using them to “prove” the correctness of one’s position is another method. Gaslighting is particularly effective when coupled with other tactics such as shaming and guilting. Anything that aids in getting another person to doubt their judgment and back down will work."


Oh you flatterer you... And I thought no one would notice.... but yes, you caught me pants down... Nothing especially difficult mind you, since for months now I have been "gaslighting" the devs in hopes they would do something, anything, for Vericoin --or just ANYTHING AT ALL, period.

Unfortunately, in spite of my unparalleled skill on the subject, to no success whatsoever.

But be sure I take your appreciation exactly as the compliment I'm quite sure it was intended to be... There are several other denominations for individuals like you, plenty of them in fact, but in the new spirit of civility here, I will go for "flatterer" this time around. You do know perfectly well what those denominations are, indeed.
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in ANY other situation i would agree with u ... and i still kinda do, I'm torn.. don't want to shut this thread down but its gotten so crazy seems like the only option.
maybe a vote? i don't know ... maybe somehow someway it'll calm down a bit here but i don't see that happening ...

Well the best thing we could all do on this forum is stop feeding the trolls. Rule #14. If you feed the trolls, they win.
your 100% right lol I'm actually mad at myself i broke and stooped to that lvl... not my character... either way i got it all out now. i assure you it won't happen again Wink
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Well, sorry it took me a few moments to provide a recap to the MN State Fair event [...]

That is exciting that the MN Secretary of State took interest for an interview! Do you think the relationship was strong enough to follow that up with a well thought out letter maybe clarifying any concerns or questions he may have had?

Actually, we talk & text more than most people realize (inside joke). But actually being serious here for a second - we've met prior to this event. I have talk to him already in the past about vericoin and digital currencies as a whole. Being the Secretary of State he's been on top of the bitcoin story for some time now. He's a really sharp guy, knows his stuff and is very interested in integrating digital currencies in the commerce world.

We are continuing to work together to find new ways to help spread the word. Nothing happens over night, but yeah this is something I am constantly working on Wink

It sounds a bit like you (and VeriCoin) already have your foot in the door in MN, which is excellent.  Thank you!!
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Hello
in ANY other situation i would agree with u ... and i still kinda do, I'm torn.. don't want to shut this thread down but its gotten so crazy seems like the only option.
maybe a vote? i don't know ... maybe somehow someway it'll calm down a bit here but i don't see that happening ...

Well the best thing we could all do on this forum is stop feeding the trolls. Rule #14. If you feed the trolls, they win.
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VeriCoin & Verium Creator/Developer
Well, sorry it took me a few moments to provide a recap to the MN State Fair event [...]

That is exciting that the MN Secretary of State took interest for an interview! Do you think the relationship was strong enough to follow that up with a well thought out letter maybe clarifying any concerns or questions he may have had?

Actually, we talk & text more than most people realize (inside joke). But actually being serious here for a second - we've met prior to this event. I have talk to him already in the past about vericoin and digital currencies as a whole. Being the Secretary of State he's been on top of the bitcoin story for some time now. He's a really sharp guy, knows his stuff and is very interested in integrating digital currencies in the commerce world.

We are continuing to work together to find new ways to help spread the word. Nothing happens over night, but yeah this is something I am constantly working on Wink

Wow. Great stuff you are doing man!
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VeriCoin & Verium Creator/Developer
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Looking awesome guys!! Keep up the good work!!
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Hello
Well, sorry it took me a few moments to provide a recap to the MN State Fair event [...]

That is exciting that the MN Secretary of State took interest for an interview! Do you think the relationship was strong enough to follow that up with a well thought out letter maybe clarifying any concerns or questions he may have had?

Actually, we talk & text more than most people realize (inside joke). But actually being serious here for a second - we've met prior to this event. I have talk to him already in the past about vericoin and digital currencies as a whole. Being the Secretary of State he's been on top of the bitcoin story for some time now. He's a really sharp guy, knows his stuff and is very interested in integrating digital currencies in the commerce world.

We are continuing to work together to find new ways to help spread the word. Nothing happens over night, but yeah this is something I am constantly working on Wink
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Mainly because of work - I haven't had the time to post on here to the degree I would like to.

I would however like to take a moment and chime in my 2 cents on the recent debates and say NO WAY should we moderate these threads. Everyone is entitled to their opinions (both good and bad) and it's sad to think people want to ban those who simply disagree with their side.

It's great to hear there are going to be new, moderated forums outside of BTCtalk.org - I will however continue to use this website as my main channel for communication. Why would I want to go to a website where I only hear like minded people agreeing with every thought? The strength any idea gets comes from those who challenge it.



Hi Xosihc,

so did I think a while ago but I changed my mind. Not the arguements are driving me mad, in some points B&A are right and we should think about. It's the way they do it. Would you enter a restaurant, if in front of it two guys are telling you the meat is rotten? You can go in and find out if it's true, but i bet you would go to the next restaurant. That's what is happening here.
They hate VRC and don't want it to succeed, so they try everything to talk it down and keep people out it.

Whenever VRC was ascending huge sellwalls appeared and I believe the intention is the same.
New customers don't read hours over hours to find out who's right. On every page of the thread you find the negative crap of these guys and run away, that's why I hope this thread will be  closed or at least not be promoted anymore.

Regards,
Michael
I also was against it awhile ago and have also changed my mind... your post sums up why perfectly.
+1

Well, I can see the point you are trying to make but I have to respectfully disagree with your take.

This is not the same thing as somebody spreading slander outside a company or restaurant. You have to realize "investing" in altcoins is a form of gambling, no different than any other form of investing. The fact that we are all gambling should paint the picture that people are going to do/say whatever they need to in order to give themselves the best chance to win. This includes both the people who say "VRC is a scam" as well as those who have been saying "just wait - 100k VRC by ". This is no different than any other market. FUD is spread in the stock market. FUD is spread in the bond market. On the flip side of that people over exaggerate the positives in stocks/bonds the same way they do here. Again - to give themselves the best chance to win.  

Because we are gambling, anyone who is about to, or thinking about "investing" and doesn't do their due diligence should probably not be here anyway. If somebody is thinking about "investing" money in ANY coin and based their decision off the last couple of pages of what was said in an online forum. Well, I guess that is their decision.  

Like I said to start; I get where you are coming from. It's crazy to know there are people who literally spend 24/7 on this website simply to bash a coin they aren't even invested in. Or they had invested in the past and now simply hate it. But hey, that's the way it goes anywhere you invest. To try and hide from it or stop it is just the wrong way (in my opinion) to deal with it. You have to let the haters hate, cheerleader cheer - and let new investors sift through all the bullshit and try to make an semi educated, yet usually blind guess on whether it's a good move or not. Ja'feel?
 
in ANY other situation i would agree with u ... and i still kinda do, I'm torn.. don't want to shut this thread down but its gotten so crazy seems like the only option.
maybe a vote? i don't know ... maybe somehow someway it'll calm down a bit here but i don't see that happening ...
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what we have here, Jay Jay, is nothing else but a very few but very rabid beasts, protected by the anon that the internet provides.

You really remind me of a better trained version of Baghdad Bob, barabbas.  I can't say that I admire what you do but I definitely have to give credit where credit is due because after having previously done a considerable amount of research on propaganda and more specifically, the ways that we can all be psychological manipulated by others (including those in the media), I have never actually encountered someone with as much skill as you have in gaslighting.

Check it out, this seems to fit many of your posts to a T:

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2011/11/08/gaslighting/

"In recent years, the term “gaslighting” has come to be applied to attempts by certain kinds of personalities, especially psychopaths — who are among the personalities most adept at sophisticated tactics of manipulation — to create so much doubt in the minds of their targets of exploitation that the victim no longer trusts their own judgment about things and buys into the assertions of the manipulator, thus coming under their power and control.

Effective gaslighting can be accomplished in several different ways. Sometimes, a person can assert something with such an apparent intensity of conviction that the other person begins to doubt their own perspective. Other times, vigorous and unwavering denial coupled with a display of righteous indignation can accomplish the same task. Bringing up historical facts that seem largely accurate but contain minute, hard-to-prove distortions and using them to “prove” the correctness of one’s position is another method. Gaslighting is particularly effective when coupled with other tactics such as shaming and guilting. Anything that aids in getting another person to doubt their judgment and back down will work."
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Hello
Mainly because of work - I haven't had the time to post on here to the degree I would like to.

I would however like to take a moment and chime in my 2 cents on the recent debates and say NO WAY should we moderate these threads. Everyone is entitled to their opinions (both good and bad) and it's sad to think people want to ban those who simply disagree with their side.

It's great to hear there are going to be new, moderated forums outside of BTCtalk.org - I will however continue to use this website as my main channel for communication. Why would I want to go to a website where I only hear like minded people agreeing with every thought? The strength any idea gets comes from those who challenge it.



Hi Xosihc,

so did I think a while ago but I changed my mind. Not the arguements are driving me mad, in some points B&A are right and we should think about. It's the way they do it. Would you enter a restaurant, if in front of it two guys are telling you the meat is rotten? You can go in and find out if it's true, but i bet you would go to the next restaurant. That's what is happening here.
They hate VRC and don't want it to succeed, so they try everything to talk it down and keep people out it.

Whenever VRC was ascending huge sellwalls appeared and I believe the intention is the same.
New customers don't read hours over hours to find out who's right. On every page of the thread you find the negative crap of these guys and run away, that's why I hope this thread will be  closed or at least not be promoted anymore.

Regards,
Michael
I also was against it awhile ago and have also changed my mind... your post sums up why perfectly.
+1

Well, I can see the point you are trying to make but I have to respectfully disagree with your take.

This is not the same thing as somebody spreading slander outside a company or restaurant. You have to realize "investing" in altcoins is a form of gambling, no different than any other form of investing. The fact that we are all gambling should paint the picture that people are going to do/say whatever they need to in order to give themselves the best chance to win. This includes both the people who say "VRC is a scam" as well as those who have been saying "just wait - 100k VRC by ". This is no different than any other market. FUD is spread in the stock market. FUD is spread in the bond market. On the flip side of that people over exaggerate the positives in stocks/bonds the same way they do here. Again - to give themselves the best chance to win.  

Because we are gambling, anyone who is about to, or thinking about "investing" and doesn't do their due diligence should probably not be here anyway. If somebody is thinking about "investing" money in ANY coin and based their decision off the last couple of pages of what was said in an online forum. Well, I guess that is their decision.  

Like I said to start; I get where you are coming from. It's crazy to know there are people who literally spend 24/7 on this website simply to bash a coin they aren't even invested in. Or they had invested in the past and now simply hate it. But hey, that's the way it goes anywhere you invest. To try and hide from it or stop it is just the wrong way (in my opinion) to deal with it. You have to let the haters hate, cheerleader cheer - and let new investors sift through all the bullshit and try to make an semi educated, yet usually blind guess on whether it's a good move or not. Ja'feel?
 
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