Topic: [ANN][WSX][WeAreSatoshi]X11|PoS/PoW|EST 2014|Low Cap|Active Development MN - page 25. (Read 83332 times)

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I don't believe I am missing the point, if you will hear me out.

You say there was communication on the forum/websites (although I saw nothing on the website), and alerts were sent out via the client?  I got no such alerts via the client, which I have had open and running for several months.  And why are people expected to keep up with the forum threads?  The website should be the one main source for all information, especially important notices.  I visited the website several times over the last 3-4 months, and saw no notice, no warning of swaps ending.  I saw no discussion about original intention because I was not present for the time when the v2 was announced.  But I did see the announcement OP, and saw nothing about the swap details in there beyond the v1 client link.

If you bear with me, and believe me when I say I am not trolling, isn't it reasonable to assume I'm not the only one who missed all this?  You really believe I am the only member of the community who was not present during the v1/v2 move?  I guess right now I have no way to prove otherwise, but I think if we wait a few months, there will be more disappointed people trickling in.  And who are we to decide that its okay to ignore even 1% of the community, just because the majority of people active already swapped?

But I digress, as I see now the swap cannot be reopened now that it has been closed and the market has begun acting. The swap should never have been closed, in my opinion, but that is just my opinion which is colored by my experience.
  
What I am suggesting now is that the new team focus on opening a v1/v2 exchange, at market price.  Its a shitty situation for anyone who missed the swap, but thats to be expected with new coin announcements, if you miss the early buy you miss out. But my point is, v1 coins that were unswapped should still be tradable, at new market prices, so their value isnt 100% lost.

Why wouldn't you want more people to buy v2 with v1?  I thought the goal of any currency was to allow conversion to as many other currencies as possible, in hopes of that currency becoming more used, and therefore more valuable.

No one is suggesting you personally spend your money and resources to keep a coin network going which you don't support.  I am saying what about all the people who do support v1, why can't they be allowed to keep the network running?

I can see there are conflicting views on why the swap was ended.  You say it was for promotional reasons, so that the new v2 coin could gain more buyers and confidence.  And my view is that all the v1 buyers and miners who missed out won't be able to enter the new market AT ALL with their v1 coins anymore.  Surely the two views could be made to align if we work together.  Why couldn't we re-open the swap at the current market rate?  Or have a v1/v2 exchange?  Your response will probably be "well why don't you make a v1/v2 exchange then" but I don't know how, and I would hope the new team would care enough about the old coin to make this a task on their to-do list.

I seriously disagree that in 50 years time there would still be 12-13 million unclaimed coins left.  But I understand your point about wanting to have investor confidence.  I am just trying to find a solution for myself and probably others who missed out on the swap.

Please don't say you "know" I am trolling.  You don't know me, you don't know my situation, and you don't know the situations of anyone else in the community.  That is assumption, and that is not right.  You need to account for the fact that other people may have different opinions brought about by different experiences.

If I was trolling I would be flaming too.  I am not here to troll or flame.  I am here to try and work out a solution for myself and possibly many others who may have missed the swap.  I am not trying to get people behind me.  I am trying to work with you, despite my previous reservations.

If you could give me some pointers on how to fork the v1 version so it can work again, please do. I would really appreciate it, and it would get me out of your hair.

Oh boy.....  You're missing the point.....

The swap was not closed early.  It was simply closed after we noticed that swaps were dropping off to nearly 0 daily, and then a waiting period of ~2 weeks.  During this process, not only was there communication on the forum / websites, but alerts were sent out via the client as well.

If you took the time to go back and read the old threads, you would see that our intention from the start was to only maintain a swap for a short period of time.  There was never any dialogue about keeping it open indefinitely.

The market conditions are telling us the right thing was done...  The price has doubled, actually almost tripled, since the swap ended.

Just want to set the record straight, you did not PM every user. I received no PM from you, and I was active on the old thread.

So you are the one who decided that everyone else got plenty of time?  Why did you decide that, may I ask?  What reasoning and evidence did you have that 100% of the community had plenty of time to swap?

Just because I am the first person to notice this doesn't mean I am claiming to be the community.  And I don't think my questions and reasoned arguments justify post deletion.  I am just pointing out that you have shut off conversion to everyone else, after deciding that they had enough time, and I am wondering why you are being so stubborn about discussing the possibility of re-opening the swap, after it was mistakenly closed before allowing 100% of the community to participate, or even to deplete the original swap funds.

Where was I when WAS needed me?  I spent 3-4 months helping with the original #WAS, I created the original website and logo, and the second I had to turn off my PC and pack and move to a new state, I unpack and see it has been taken over.  Yes I was upset, but I am over that now, except for being upset at how this conversion is being handled.  Please answer my perfectly justified questions about why the swap was ended early, and why it cannot be re-opened.

We can't keep a swap going indefinitely, wasting time, resources, and electricity keeping the old v1 network running. After a reasonable time pretty much everyone who wanted to swap will have done it already, burning the remaining coins gives people with interest in the coin an accurate view of the number of coins in circulation and proves that we aren't going to try to dump the coins later. Would you have us be running in in 50 years time with probably 12-13 million unclaimed coins left? This is the crypto world where premines that size have a bigger effect on a coin, not the EU where you could trade in your old Marks for Euros for several years because it wouldn't make a dent. I know you are trying for some high grade trolling but nobody is going to fall for it and get behind you.


Yes, anyone could take the last version of the v1 client I made and make a new fork that starts giving block rewards again if they want to.

glassgoose45- We gave people plenty time to do the swap and it was announced on this thread, on the old thread, cryptocointalk, multiple times on Twitter. I even personally PM every single users on the old thread and emailed you to inform about the take over. It will be pointless to go back and forth claiming to be the community when you're the only one that speak, where were you when WAS needed and if you supported WAS as nearly as you did, this whole thread wouldn't even exist. If you want to support us then all by mean, welcome. If you don't then stay off this thread. I don't want to delete posts but I will if I have to. It's now a new era for WeAreSatoshi X11 (WSX) and we have much to do. Cheers!

Hey tomcat.  I was led to believe this was what was happening with WAS, that is why I didn't think there was a timeframe for conversion, I thought v1 and v2 would co-exist and always be swappable, in a kind of interesting way.

But apparently when they closed the swap, they also "ended support for v1" which I guess means v1 now has no developer, as MrBrew is no longer developing.  We would need a developer to step in to save v1 from extinction, since it seems the new team would rather close the swap than keep it open for the sake of anyone who hasn't gotten the message yet...

If I knew what to do, I would do it in a heartbeat.  I put so much of my time and effort into #WAS.  I am really depressed and angry at how this has been handled.  I just wish the new team didn't have a deathwish for v1 coins...

At this point, #WAS has been cannibalized in order for a certain number of people to enter into a new market without mining or buying in.  WSX has chewed up #WAS and spit out the rest, the people who are now unable to enter into the new market.  Not trying to make this seem like FUD, but its hard to see it in a positive light.

I want to support v2 and v1, not just one or the other.

Am I not correct in stating that people can continue the version 1 WAS if they build a network around it? HYP forked off of Truck coin and you were able to keep both coins. Now I know most developers say you can't do that but I witnessed first hand it being done.

But why would you need to burn the coins at all, when you could have/should have let the swap stay open until all 14.3m coins were  swapped?  And if you arbitarily burned 14.3m coins, why couldn't you arbitrarily have 14.3m coins created again for the purpose of continuing the swap to its real completion?  I see no reason why this swap was ended except that everyone important already got theirs.  I feel like the only purpose for ending the swap at all is to shut out the rest of the population, and give all the value to a chosen few.

Somewhere, someone said "the community has had plenty of time to convert now, if they havent by now then they are never going to".  And they had no right to make that assumption on the communities behalf.

Who made the decision to end the swap?  I thought coins were supposed to be owned by the community.  If 100% of the community has not yet converted, then no one had any right to order the swap to be closed.  To say otherwise is to say this new coin is not owned by the community, but by a chosen few.

I would be perfectly fine if this was 100% market driven as you said, by having a v1/v2 exchange.  But its not.  You've closed v1/v2 conversion completely, and co-opted all the power of doing that to yourself and the group of people who were around for this small timeframe.  It's manipulated by the definition of the word, in that certain people got a better deal than others, just because they were around for a timeframe that they themselves decided on.  A large portion of the original #WAS community will have lost out, while a small portion will have made out.   100% of the new team have gotten to make the conversion, and also decide that everyone else no longer gets the chance to convert anymore.  How is that fair?

My point is, the swap should not have been closed.  Please give me a legitimate reason why it was closed before the 14.3m ran out.

We gave nearly a full 2 months which is a lot more than many/most coins do... lots of them let an exchange do it and everyone just gets the one chance to swap. We burned the unclaimed v2 coins after the swap was over so people don't claim we are holding on to them to dump later.

I am absolutely not here to troll.  I posted legitimate concerns when I found out about the new coin, and upon reflecting I decided to make the swap.  I only hesitated for a few days.  I downloaded the v1 client 4-5 weeks ago, I know this based on the amount of time behind I am on the block history.  I saw nowhere that there was a time limit.  Where was this posted?  I was busy all month trying to make money to pay my rent, I did not have time to diagnose the issue with the block history until now.  Again though, if there was a time limit for the swap, why was it not posted on the official website?  If I had known there was a time limit, I would have made time for this in my busy schedule.  Even now you can look and it says simply download the v1 client to participate in the swap.  It says nowhere that you need to hurry ASAP to the forum if you are having issues because the swap is ending soon.




Yes I still have control of those, although due to recent events I am unable to work fulltime anymore on coins.  I will be perfectly willing to give control of the foundation to you guys, but I still feel uneasy about this team.  The way this process was handled, it feels rushed and out of control.  So much was missing from the official website about the process of conversion (i.e. timeframes and FAQs and warnings), this might as well be a new coin to 50% of the population.  All the people most involved got to participate in the conversion, and decide when to end the conversion (when they got theirs).  But all the people who were not involved, who missed the bus, or who have still not come back to check on their investment in #WAS, are in for a terrible discovery.  It's not right.

At least continue the swap at market prices, if you can't be assed to give 100% of the population the same privilege you got for being the architects of the v1/v2 move. As it stands, probably 50% of v1 coins remain unconverted.

And if v1 is shut down forever, why would you doom all those unconverted coins to complete invalidation?  Just because you and your friends are done converting doesn't mean everyone else is done, or even aware they needed to convert in a certain time frame...

Also let me ask, why is there even a time frame for v1 conversion?  What problem are you solving by ending the swap?  What problems would be created by simply re-opening the swap?

I am sorry you were left out of the 'takeover'...  The original developer did not mention you at all when I reached out to him.  He turned over the Twitter account and gave us his blessing.

From what I understand, you still have control of the WeAreSatoshi Foundation website and Twitter feed.  Brian has not finalized plans for that fund.  Maybe you can help him, and re-invent (or just relaunch) the Foundation?

My only concern, as mentioned in the previous thread is that you say it's a registered non-profit but don't show proof.  Either drop that statement or back it up.

WAS2 (now WSX) was created with community support and approval of the original WAS dev. Your work is not in vain and you are welcome to continue promoting WeAreSatoshi in it's current form. I'm sorry you missed the swap but your post history in this and the other WAS thread proves you knew about WAS v2 and the swap which leads me to think you are just here to troll. As a general rule for 99% of coins if you have trouble you should post in their thread, not let it sit for a month. Sending me the file was just a fallback in case anyone had trouble with the client on their PC; I think only 2 people actually needed to in the end.

I hope you can take a look at the new client and the things we have accomplished so far and see some value in it now that it's been some time since WAS v2 came out.

Where in the world would we sell v1 coins, even if it was a scam?  They are worthless, which is the whole premise of the 1 / 1000 coin swap...  Until we created a buzz, you could hardly give them away...  Here's 10,000,000 for 5 DOGE...

Brian - You're running a moderated thread, I say delete these comments and call it a day.  His concerns are public knowledge on the prior threads...

Wow, only 2 months?  I was unavailable during that whole time due to moving to a new state and taking up a new job.  I don't see why I should be stuck with useless coins just because you decided on such a short timeframe (which was not on the official site at all BTW).  I was not posting FUD, I was angry at my project being taken over without anyone telling me.  I created the original website and logo, and considered myself part of the original team.  I spent personal money on behalf of this project, and labored many hours on promoting #WAS.  No one emailed me or informed me about the new v2, I just found out about it after coming back online after moving and settling in.  Imagine how you would feel if you spent months helping a new coin to get going, then the second you turn your back, its been taken over by someone else, and they are declaring all your coins have become invalid because you were gone too long.  And FYI if I knew I was supposed to PM someone to get my coins swapped I would have.  Why is this information not on the official website, where users are supposed to get information?  I can't read through 13 pages of posts to learn important information like that.

This whole process is unprofessional and not becoming of a currency.  I will not buy new currency when I have spent months mining it from the beginning, and another month trying to convert it following the official website's instructions of downloading the updated client.

When did the swap end? Where was this announced? You realize you have probably only converted 50% of the v1 coins, because you haven't given it enough time for the message to reach everyone?  Not everyone follows this forum, they check the official site every month or so for updates.  I feel this is a case of intentional market manipulation.  You quickly killed off the v1 coins before anyone could even find out about it, or have time to make the decision, or even know there was a time limit because none of this was on the official site, it was all buried in this forum.

Yep, we ran the swap for nearly 2 months and I mentioned many times that people could send me their wallet.dat's for manual conversion. You were one of the early FUD posters so you knew about the swap, why didn't you post or PM if you were having problems?

MrData gave everyone the option to send him the wallet.dat and he would do the swap manually. We took down the support for version 1 since the swap ended. You can buy WSX while it's still cheap.

Ever since downloading the updated v1 client, I have had 0 connections to the network.  It's been 4 weeks now since I downloaded the client, and I'm 4 weeks behind.  I fear this is a cover-up for all my v1 coins being stolen by this new takeover team.  This is the case for the v1 PC client, the link is broken for the v1 mac client so I cannot test it there.

Please RT:

https://twitter.com/WeAreSatoshi/status/507981388587737088