[ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 176.

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If you think aggrandizement and/or enrichment of the Dogeparty/Clearinghouse "devs"/copycats aren't the major issue that even started the idea, I believe that you are mistaken.

Are some of the counterparty devs the same as the dogeparty devs?
Is counterparty open source and able to be to be forked? Did Viacoin add the blockchain notary which is not present in counterparty?
"copycat" so basicly anyone that uses any open source technology is a copycat then.

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I dont know if you are talking to me but I am pro counterparty, dogeparty and clearinghouse. If your only repsonse to disucssion is crypto tribalist dogma then that is a shame.

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Jason then asks Patrick about recent speeches he gave at Bitcoin conferences talking about the long, fight over hundreds of years between tyranny and freedom.

Patrick is optimistic about freedom starting to win despite the NSA, and other breaches of freedom. He thinks Bitcoin and the block chain technology will play a key role in freedom winning going forward.

Jason and Patrick discuss whether all markets are manipulated including gold and silver.

Finally to wrap up the interview, Jason asks Patrick about Bitcoin, why he decided to start accepting it at Overstock.com and the new block chain related business Patrick is now invested in called Counter Party http://counterparty.io/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlMdsDSN7IA&feature=youtu.be

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Quote from: Matt Y on October 22, 2014, 10:21:12 AM

Pretty sure this is what's getting us all the love and adoration from Viacoin folks...

Viacoin is in downtrend since the beginning of september.

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Pretty sure this is what's getting us all the love and adoration from Viacoin folks...

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Quote from: krach on October 22, 2014, 03:30:24 AM

If you think speed and cost of action is not a big issue, if not the major issue that even started the idea I belive that you are mistaken.

If you think aggrandizement and/or enrichment of the Dogeparty/Clearinghouse "devs"/copycats aren't the major issue that even started the idea, I believe that you are mistaken.

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Quote from: PhantomPhreak on October 22, 2014, 06:31:01 AM

The data are prunable, etc., but the 1% miners' fee is only for orders selling BTC.

Ah my mistake, I must have accidentally left that out. Updated.

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Quote from: 520Bit on October 22, 2014, 05:54:43 AM

btc38.com lost their words. XCP has been on No. 1 at btc38 for 1 month, but they do not add XCP on the exchange. I feel frustrated.

does anyone have a contact at btc38? someone will be putting up the chinese language version of counterwallet up for testing soon, would like to ask them to see if they can get some of their users to test it.

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Quote from: deliciousowl on October 22, 2014, 05:36:36 AM

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IIRC, they changed their attitudes positively towards Counterparty recently. Those kinds of comments now only come from competing projects.

Yes im glad they have changed, however to say that these comments come from competing projects is wrong. This will be an ongoing issue that will be up for discussion and simply accusing people that ask questions of being from a competing projects is ridiculous.

Sorry, it just seems ludicrous at this point because its literally a non-argument. AFAIK XCP transactions are prune-able, pay transaction fees, and ultimately contribute to the liquidity of Bitcoin. Not only that, but trading on the DEx pays the miners a default of 1% of orders. I absolutely fail to see how that is damage.

Besides, it's self regulating. If nobody uses it, there is no added data. If everyone uses it, the value must exceed its very limited footprint. The burned BTC that were converted are now worth 1500% as XCP.

1% of all orders towards network incentive and a 10+ fold increase in exchange value can't pay for a few bytes, really?

The data are prunable, etc., but the 1% miners' fee is only for orders selling BTC.

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btc38.com lost their words. XCP has been on No. 1 at btc38 for 1 month, but they do not add XCP on the exchange. I feel frustrated.

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Sorry, it just seems ludicrous at this point because its literally a non-argument.

No it is not a non-argument, if it was a non-argument then OP RETURN would be used. Therefore discussing this topic is in no way ludicrous.

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It is a shame that competitors whose existence is 100 % thanks to counterparty are arguing against counterparty (on XCP thread by the way).

It is a shame that people are so dogmatic that they can not see that the use of counterparty on other chains shows how good counterparty is, the utlitly of it. I might add that since the counterparty code is open source that projects that use it would be on topic, unless this is a pure XCP topic, which it does not read as.

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Quote from: krach on October 22, 2014, 04:04:44 AM

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IIRC, they changed their attitudes positively towards Counterparty recently. Those kinds of comments now only come from competing projects.

Yes im glad they have changed, however to say that these comments come from competing projects is wrong. This will be an ongoing issue that will be up for discussion and simply accusing people that ask questions of being from a competing projects is ridiculous.

Sorry, it just seems ludicrous at this point because its literally a non-argument. AFAIK XCP transactions are prune-able, pay transaction fees, and ultimately contribute to the liquidity of Bitcoin. Not only that, but trading on the DEx pays the miners a default of 1% of BTC sell orders. I absolutely fail to see how that is damage.

Besides, it's self regulating. If nobody uses it, there is no added data. If everyone uses it, the value must exceed its very limited footprint. The burned BTC that were converted are now worth 1500% as XCP.

1% of BTC Sell orders towards network incentive and a 10+ fold increase in exchange value can't pay for a few bytes, really?

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Quote from: roede94105 on October 22, 2014, 05:28:30 AM

Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 05:24:24 AM

Quote from: jrmg on October 22, 2014, 05:09:08 AM

Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 04:21:36 AM

The same as Counterparty keep BTC same BTCdrak(dev) keep burned Viacoins

Counterparty no keep BTC, that "destroyed" to address what anyone cant use. Viacoins "burned" coins go back for developers pockets.

So Counterparty Team can't use that BTC from burning process??

Of course not, that's the point of a Burning process, and helped prove the devs really believed in what they did since they had to burn some bitcoins to get some XCPs, like everyone else.

Ok understand now. There was a description in clearwallet "burn" so i thought that is the same but it isn't.

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Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 05:24:24 AM

Quote from: jrmg on October 22, 2014, 05:09:08 AM

Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 04:21:36 AM

The same as Counterparty keep BTC same BTCdrak(dev) keep burned Viacoins

Counterparty no keep BTC, that "destroyed" to address what anyone cant use. Viacoins "burned" coins go back for developers pockets.

So Counterparty Team can't use that BTC from burning process??

That is correct, the Proof of Burn address is unspendable, no one has its private keys

https://blockchain.info/address/1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr

For each transaction to this address during the burn period, a certain number of XCP were alloted to the sending address.

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Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 05:24:24 AM

Quote from: jrmg on October 22, 2014, 05:09:08 AM

Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 04:21:36 AM

The same as Counterparty keep BTC same BTCdrak(dev) keep burned Viacoins

Counterparty no keep BTC, that "destroyed" to address what anyone cant use. Viacoins "burned" coins go back for developers pockets.

So Counterparty Team can't use that BTC from burning process??

Of course not, that's the point of a Burning process, and helped prove the devs really believed in what they did since they had to burn some bitcoins to get some XCPs, like everyone else.

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Quote from: krach on October 22, 2014, 04:52:16 AM

http://youtu.be/P63ByrQXd9w?t=58m59s

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There Was a burn...I know cause i burned myself some VIA for XCH

Im not against counterparty dogeparty or clearinghouse , lets see how these platforms are used.

Agree I do own XCP and also XCH

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Quote from: jrmg on October 22, 2014, 05:09:08 AM

Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 04:21:36 AM

The same as Counterparty keep BTC same BTCdrak(dev) keep burned Viacoins

Counterparty no keep BTC, that "destroyed" to address what anyone cant use. Viacoins "burned" coins go back for developers pockets.

So Counterparty Team can't use that BTC from burning process??

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Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 04:21:36 AM

The same as Counterparty keep BTC same BTCdrak(dev) keep burned Viacoins

Counterparty no keep BTC, that "destroyed" to address what anyone cant use. Viacoins "burned" coins go back for developers pockets.

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It is a shame that competitors whose existence is 100 % thanks to counterparty are arguing against counterparty (on XCP thread by the way).

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http://youtu.be/P63ByrQXd9w?t=58m59s

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There Was a burn...I know cause i burned myself some VIA for XCH

Im not against counterparty dogeparty or clearinghouse , lets see how these platforms are used.

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Quote from: ElTomeko27 on October 22, 2014, 04:21:36 AM

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Also proof of burn --->103 mln ClearingHouses are made from burning Viacoin (about 1mln Via)

No, I do not think there was a burn.

There Was a burn...I know cause i burned myself some VIA for XCH

"XCH is the native currency of ClearingHouse and cannot be mined. 103MM XCH were initialized between block 89100 and block 251100. Converted viacoins will be used towards funding the ClearingHouse project."

"This initialization process is called "burning", but since viacoins are new and shiny, we decided not to actually burn them, but use them towards funding the ClearingHouse project looking forward."

The same as Counterparty keep BTC same BTCdrak(dev) keep burned Viacoins

A burn is sending the tokens to an unspendable address.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_burn

What happened for XCH is that VIA were sent to an exodus address, much like Mastercoin.

(For other's information, it wasn't advertised as a burn - "Converted viacoins will be used towards funding the ClearingHouse project." https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-xch-clearinghouse-freedom-by-blockchain-734674)

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