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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 175. (Read 1276789 times)

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Peter Todd saying XCP devs should go to jail...
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/524947758528999424

Note that he Ironically said later that He is not tied with Clearinghouse, just a simple consultant.
He is panicking or what ?

It's a joke. Reread it.

Sounds like a back handed compliment.



Yeah after seeing his message it's a very intelligent joke seemingly making fun of sidechain technology more than counterparty.

He's being ironic. Smiley We didn't do anything with the creation of XCP that wasn't also done with BTC. And it goes without saying that no one could shut down Counterparty without also banning Bitcoin itself!
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Peter Todd saying XCP devs should go to jail...
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/524947758528999424

Note that he Ironically said later that He is not tied with Clearinghouse, just a simple consultant.
He is panicking or what ?

It's a joke. Reread it.

Sounds like a back handed compliment.



Yeah after seeing his message it's a very intelligent joke seemingly making fun of sidechain technology more than counterparty.
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Peter Todd saying XCP devs should go to jail...
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/524947758528999424

Note that he Ironically said later that He is not tied with Clearinghouse, just a simple consultant.
He is panicking or what ?

It's a joke. Reread it.

Sounds like a back handed compliment.

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lol... I noticed that too ^^

way to contradict yourself..

Do you mean his tweet? That was a joke  Smiley
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If a share,asset, or token is considered a derivative then yes. bitpotatochips and bitcurry and please dont use the word deriative instead use some 3-4 word name. Just because something exsits in XY or Z doenst mean you should accept it or that it is ok or even good.

Any DEx that is not natively integrated into the blockchain of a given token will have to use derivatives of that token for trades on the exchange.  Since Counterparty has native integration of Bitcoin, Bitcoin can be traded directly on the Counterparty DEx.  But if you want to trade Litecoin on the Counterparty DEx, or you want to trade BTC on the Dogeparty DEx, you will have to use derivative tokens that are pegged to the underlying currency/security.  It's a fundamental limitation, not just something that's done because we can.

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Counterparty clone, like Viacoin did.
One main point is that the community of viacoin and clearinghouse are the same, no piggyback, no sudden OP RETURN shortening ect

And again, why do this when there are other, better, faster open-source DEx alternatives out there that do not rely on the kludginess of Counterparty?

It's like, say, somebody built a railroad system.  A wonderful system of rails and trains that goes everywhere and is used daily by millions of people.  (This is Bitcoin.)

And then somebody comes along and says "You know what, I can figure out a way to make these trains fly in the air!" and they do so, and it's wonderful and it makes the trains much better but they can still run on the old rails too, and the people who want to just ride the regular trains still can do so.  (This is Counterparty.)

And then somebody else comes along and builds a whole new system of rails and trains, and makes those trains fly too, instead of just building a normal airplane, which would in many ways be better and more versatile than flying trains, which are still tied to the rails at the end of the day.  (This is Viacoin.)

So it's "Flying trains that use the existing rails and train stations" (BTC+XCP) vs. "Airplanes that use airports" (BTSX, etc.) vs. "Flying trains that use a whole new set of rails and train stations which are incompatible with the previous rails and train stations" (Viacoin). 

Oh, and the rails and train stations for the new system are going to be pre-sold and I'm going to make a lot of money on them.  Haha.
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From "I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything!" at http://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin

[–]GrounBEEFtaxi 31 points 1 day ago
Gavin, what is your take on the counterparty/overstock cryptosecurities project. I truly believe this might be the grand project that truly challenges wall street. Thoughts?

[–]gavinandresen 31 points 1 day ago
Really really interesting.
A lot will depend on how the SEC (or similar regulatory agencies overseas) reacts, I think.

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[–]maraoz 30 points 1 day ago
Hey Gavin, great respect for your amazing work. What are your thoughts on non-financial transactions or uses of the bitcoin blockchain? (e.g counterparty, colored coins, proof of existence, etc.)

[–]gavinandresen 61 points 1 day ago
I'm excited about the possibilities. I think a lot of projects unnecessarily mix up the various services the blockchain provides, and try to make it do things it is not good at doing (like storing data). I think the best projects understand that they don't need to invent a new currency. They don't need to use the blockchain as their long-term data storage solution. And they don't need to use the p2p network as their communication mechanism.

They should use the blockchain as the world's most secure distributed ledger.

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[–]socium 7 points 1 day ago

What would you say about storing digests in OP_RETURN (as long as they don't exceed the 40bytes max size) ?

[–]gavinandresen 14 points 1 day ago

That is what OP_RETURN is for, go for it!
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There is no overlap in the development teams of the Dogeparty and Counterparty protocols.
ok thanks for clarifcation
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There is no overlap in the development teams of the Dogeparty and Counterparty protocols.
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If a share,asset, or token is considered a derivative then yes. bitpotatochips and bitcurry and please dont use the word deriative instead use some 3-4 word name. Just because something exsits in XY or Z doenst mean you should accept it or that it is ok or even good.


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Counterparty clone, like Viacoin did.
One main point is that the community of viacoin and clearinghouse are the same, no piggyback, no sudden OP RETURN shortening ect


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And again, this points to the great strength of Counterparty: its ability to natively use BTC without any redirection or derivatives.
I agree

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Still though the guy(s) who made Dogeparty are receiving a lot of attention (and possibly some wealth) for basically copying and pasting Counterparty code.  That was pretty much my point.
I agree and am asking if there isnt some counterparty dogeparty dev team overlap.


I have no problem with anyone forking any project and not changing one line of code and still doing it better.
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Peter Todd saying XCP devs should go to jail...
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/524947758528999424

Note that he Ironically said later that He is not tied with Clearinghouse, just a simple consultant.
He is panicking or what ?

It's a joke. Reread it.

I was confused, too. I had to read his responses in Reddit to understand his implicit argument that actually supports Counterparty as a technical innovation.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k055g/regulators_would_be_smart_to_shutdown/
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Yes, I agree however if it is "asinine" then why piggyback on doge? There are other uses besides the decentral exchange.
NXT is scammy imho, I dont like ripple and I also do not like bitsharesX where everything is just a derivative of other things and given fancy names.

I said it was asinine to create another blockchain just for use as a basis for a Counterparty clone, like Viacoin did. Doge already exists and has value, and it has relatively fast block times.  I think that Dogeparty at least makes a bit of sense.  Good community, blah blah.  Still though the guy(s) who made Dogeparty are receiving a lot of attention (and possibly some wealth) for basically copying and pasting Counterparty code.  That was pretty much my point.

I'm not saying that the PoS problem has been solved, but I do think that Ripple/NXT/BitSharesX all have managed to find ways to be both secure and performant.  I personally dislike Ripple and NXT (both of which I think are scammy), but I like and am invested in BTSX.  "Everything is just a derivative of other things and given fancy names" exists in any DEx (including NXT and Ripple) because, well, that's just the way it goes if you want to maintain a decentralized, trustless environment.  Even then, the system requires a bit of trust, but the trust is limited to a single vector.  And again, this points to the great strength of Counterparty: its ability to natively use BTC without any redirection or derivatives.
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Yes, I agree however if it is "asinine" then why piggyback on doge? There are other uses besides the decentral exchange.
NXT is scammy imho, I dont like ripple and I also do not like bitsharesX where everything is just a derivative of other things and given fancy names.

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None of that is relevant.  I'm not saying there is no value added.  I am merely stating the primary motivator behind the coins' existence.
It is in fact very realivant. Maybe you are not saying that there is no value added however that is one of the main arguments when you read "copycat" . In regards to overlapping devs then that would be a self copycat. If speed and cost of action were non issues then they could have picked superslowcoinofthe week to piggyback on instead of doge, for example.

By "copycat" I simply mean that the code is 100% copied from Counterparty and a few adjustments made to get it to work on the new blockchain.  Much in the same way that Litecoin was code 100% copied from Bitcoin and a few parameters changed (block time and mining algorithm).  Obviously people think there is some value to Litecoin, but that doesn't keep it from being a copycat.

The strength of Counterparty lies in being built on Bitcoin.  Its weaknesses also come from being built on Bitcoin.  If you want a better decentralized exchange then move to something built from the ground up to be a "Bitcoin 2.0" technology, like NXT or Ripple or BitSharesX.  (Hell, even just come out with a clone/copycat of them, they are all open source, right?)

Starting up a new coin like Viacoin with the sole purpose of having Counterparty run on top of it is asinine.  A Bitcoin-based PoW blockchain is really not ideal for a Decentralized Exchange.  Counterparty is kludge enough to make it work (and that IS a compliment), but if the Counterparty devs were wanting to build a decentralized exchange from scratch, I bet that they would NOT start by creating a Bitcoin-like blockchain to base it on.

Bitcoin is the 1,000 pound gorilla of Crypto-currencies.  It is worth 40x Litecoin and 240x Dogecoin.  It is what people think of when the word "crypto-currency" is mentioned.  Counterparty being built on Bitcoin, and having direct interoperability with Bitcoin, is its major strength.
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Peter Todd saying XCP devs should go to jail...
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/524947758528999424

Note that he Ironically said later that He is not tied with Clearinghouse, just a simple consultant.
He is panicking or what ?

It's a joke. Reread it.
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Peter Todd saying XCP devs should go to jail...
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/524947758528999424

Note that he Ironically said later that He is not tied with Clearinghouse, just a simple consultant.
He is panicking or what ?
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None of that is relevant.  I'm not saying there is no value added.  I am merely stating the primary motivator behind the coins' existence.
It is in fact very realivant. Maybe you are not saying that there is no value added however that is one of the main arguments when you read "copycat" . In regards to overlapping devs then that would be a self copycat. If speed and cost of action were non issues then they could have picked superslowcoinofthe week to piggyback on instead of doge, for example.

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XCP MOON eveything else is copy cat bad and only XCP is the real deal
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If you think aggrandizement and/or enrichment of the Dogeparty/Clearinghouse "devs"/copycats aren't the major issue that even started the idea, I believe that you are mistaken.
Are some of the counterparty devs the same as the dogeparty devs?
Is counterparty open source and able to be to be forked? Did Viacoin add the blockchain notary which is not present in counterparty?
"copycat" so basicly anyone that uses any open source technology is a copycat then.

None of that is relevant.  I'm not saying there is no value added.  I am merely stating the primary motivator behind the coins' existence.
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If you think aggrandizement and/or enrichment of the Dogeparty/Clearinghouse "devs"/copycats aren't the major issue that even started the idea, I believe that you are mistaken.
Are some of the counterparty devs the same as the dogeparty devs?
Is counterparty open source and able to be to be forked? Did Viacoin add the blockchain notary which is not present in counterparty?
"copycat" so basicly anyone that uses any open source technology is a copycat then.


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I dont know if you are talking to me but I am pro counterparty, dogeparty and clearinghouse. If your only repsonse to disucssion is crypto tribalist dogma then that is a shame.

 
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Jason then asks Patrick about recent speeches he gave at Bitcoin conferences talking about the long, fight over hundreds of years between tyranny and freedom.

Patrick is optimistic about freedom starting to win despite the NSA, and other breaches of freedom. He thinks Bitcoin and the block chain technology will play a key role in freedom winning going forward.

Jason and Patrick discuss whether all markets are manipulated including gold and silver.

Finally to wrap up the interview, Jason asks Patrick about Bitcoin, why he decided to start accepting it at Overstock.com and the new block chain related business Patrick is now invested in called Counter Party http://counterparty.io/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlMdsDSN7IA&feature=youtu.be
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Pretty sure this is what's getting us all the love and adoration from Viacoin folks...





Viacoin is in downtrend since the beginning of september.
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