Anonymity, Security and Privacy: Anonymous Cryptocurrency Enhancement Comparsion - page 4.

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Quote from: theduuude on January 04, 2018, 12:04:28 AM

KORE...the first coin to implement TOR nodes

My reach-out to the Kore community was deleted by the op, no reason given. Unfortunate, and a first. I have the features I am able to identify for this coin in the matrix, if there are more, please let me know.

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1. When looking for a new coin I need to know whenever it is a coin or token (I don't buy tokens, I want miners since they help decentralization).

Probably I wasn't precise enough in explaining why I made this suggestion. When we are talking about privacy/security focused coins, its de-/centralization becomes an integral part of it. When I think about security I also assume the safety of my funds in the broad sense. I personally don't believe in coins that can't be mined, since it breaks the equality principle, up for me it means centralization, concentration in hands of specific group of people, issuers of that coin. IMO non-minable coins are closer to the dollar and FRS, rather than to bitcoin and crypto in general. May be it's only I who see things this way.

Probably I'm overestimating the importance of this aspect and you don't feel like adding an extra column just for that. But what if we expand it to the general column about Mining? There we can mention whenever the coin is minable, ASIC-resistant, botnet resistant, etc (or simply mention the current mining algo if any).
For example, ZCoin developers are working hard on their MTP-algo that is purposefully memory intensive making XZC ASIC/Botnet resistant.

SafeCoins, I'm interested to hear your opinion on that.

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Quote from: SafeCoins on January 03, 2018, 07:26:35 PM

You've brought some valuable insight here, and while I prefer brevity where possible, you have forced me into a situation where it makes sense to have an additional column for
masternodes which are purely protection based. Please have a look and let me know what you think.

It makes no sense now to have a Masternodes column under Security. Get your head out of the privacy/masternodes box and think of what security means at the software and hardware levels in the real-world where transactions need to be hacker-proof. You use TLS everyday on the web for vulnerable transactions (e.g. https).

Mixing is a privacy feature. Masternodes is just one of many ways to accomplish that. So Masternodes with that feature is but a subset or a type under the mixing category.

Traffic encryption is a security feature. TLS is just one of many way to accomplish that. So TLS is also a subset or a type under the security category.

This is my third time attempting to explain, so if you still don't get it, aargh! Sad

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I guess that the only coin 100% anonymous out there is blackbytes, which is so anonymous that cannot even be traded in centralized exchanges.

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Quote from: ShamanicHarmonics on January 03, 2018, 10:37:28 PM

Fantastic thread and chart, thanks very much SafeCoins!

I 've recently been researching privacy coins as well and saw most of the players already mentioned in the thread or in the chart. There are a few of note that I saw that are interesting;

Electra (ECA) - https://electraproject.org/

ALQO - https://alqo.org/

Kore - http://kore.life/

SWIPP - http://www.swippcoin.com/

Thank you very much for the suggetsions ShamanicHarmonics, here is what I found, please feel free to educate/correct me:

Electra (ECA) - https://electraproject.org/ While they might have atomic swapping or plans for it, I don't see anything involving privacy or anonymity?

ALQO - https://alqo.org/ While they have masternodes, I don't see anything involving privacy or anonymity?

Kore - http://kore.life/ Adding. And I will ask their community to correct me on specific features.

SWIPP - http://www.swippcoin.com/ Hmm...dash fork? We have a lot of those. Does it have any of its own privacy related features that separate it from what it forked form? I can contact the community

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KORE...the first coin to implement TOR nodes

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Fantastic thread and chart, thanks very much SafeCoins!

I 've recently been researching privacy coins as well and saw most of the players already mentioned in the thread or in the chart. There are a few of note that I saw that are interesting;

Electra (ECA) - https://electraproject.org/

ALQO - https://alqo.org/

Kore - http://kore.life/

SWIPP - http://www.swippcoin.com/

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SafeCoins,thanks!

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Thanks for the work located in the first post, first. Once I hear privacy, only two coins come to my mind: Monero and Zcash. They're the dominating factors of the privacy blockchain. There are dozens of competitors on the market, but the greatest shares are belong to Monero and Zcash.

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Quote from: Bibi187 on January 03, 2018, 07:03:42 PM

Hey SafeCoins Wink

DeepOnion Team just released White Paper, they project to add Mixing with multisignature transaction via "DeepSend" for Q2 - 2018, Zero-Knowledge protocol will be also added to after Q3 - 2018, date is not fixed yet.

https://deeponion.org/White-Paper.pdf

Thanks to add update to your table Wink

Added! Hope this helps, an at least evens things out (imho you have now improved DeepOnion's situation from previous).

Thank you very much for the valuable info!

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Quote from: Miner2525 on January 03, 2018, 06:28:18 PM

Just add a TLS column under "Protection" because I'm sure it'll be a new trend as other "privacy" blockchains slap their foreheads with their hands; and move "Secnodes" out of the Masternodes column.

Masternodes have nothing to do with privacy intrinsically and mixing/hiding has nothing to do with node-to-node security. Privacy can be a byproduct of security but within context of public blockchains, security applied on a choice of transparent or zksnarked blockchain entries is a separate layer.

You've brought some valuable insight here, and while I prefer brevity where possible, you have forced me into a situation where it makes sense to have an additional column for masternodes which are purely protection based. Please have a look and let me know what you think.

That said, I have some obligation to take exception to any slander of the other privacy coins, and from a logical point of view, it is difficult/impossible to conceive that only one is truly dedicated to the cause. I must then suggest an alternative reason why there is no mixing in Zcash, and thus Zencoin: Can't do it. Current implementation of your ZKP/Zksnark is far too slow to even consider implementation of other anon/privacy features which might be even remotely resource dependant. That's ok, because I"m sure Jubjub-type solutions will be found to address this. But that is no reason to slander coins who are taking a wait-and-see approach before their own implementations to ensure their existing functionality. Just my thoughts. And yes, I love the coin.

Information much appreciated Miner2525

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Hey SafeCoins Wink

DeepOnion Team just released White Paper, they project to add Mixing with multisignature transaction via "DeepSend" for Q2 - 2018, Zero-Knowledge protocol will be also added to after Q3 - 2018, date is not fixed yet.

https://deeponion.org/White-Paper.pdf

Thanks to add update to your table Wink

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Quote from: SafeCoins on January 03, 2018, 05:58:53 PM

If you have a specific suggestion of how I might alter the matrix to better reflect that point, let me know and I'll look into it. If I move masternodes over to protection, I move All masternodes over to protection. It would be a bit of a mess, athough it would have some validity to it.

When I put the matrix together, not knowing Zencash/Zcash didn't mix, I still did assume that it would be obvious that coins with zero knowledge proof had redundancy in any mixing functions. So to me, the masternodes was just an extra to the main feature of ZKP coins. I could definitely clarify.

But before I do that, I have to ask a question....why wouldn't you mix? Other than because zcash obviously didn't either? It's true, masternodes didn't originally mix, and were there more for network protection. But nowadays, isn't mixing sort of part and parcel with most masternodes?

You have made a really good point here I'll have to think about. But I don't want to get ahead of myself unless there's a good reason Not to mix.

Just add a TLS column under "Protection" because I'm sure it'll be a new trend as other "privacy" blockchains slap their foreheads with their hands; and move "Secnodes" out of the Masternodes column.

Masternodes have nothing to do with privacy intrinsically and mixing/hiding has nothing to do with node-to-node security. Privacy can be a byproduct of security but within context of public blockchains, security applied on a choice of transparent or zksnarked blockchain entries is a separate layer.

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Quote from: September11Myth on January 03, 2018, 06:04:30 PM

DeepOnion is still in developement stage, it has several more features which are going to be implemented during the roadmap, such as the DeepSend feature.

err......thank...you ...for the suggestion?

I actually had DeepSend listed as an implemented feature....I have now moved it back to roadmap lol....

Great coin...I just need this thing to be as accurate as possible....let me know if you have any other roadmap feautures you would like added and I will gladly compensate!

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Quote from: Febo on January 03, 2018, 03:36:48 PM

How come that you excluded AEON that is the second most prosperous anonymous coin?

Hey Febo,

Thank you for the suggestion, I appreciate it, and AEON has been added

Two reasons why:

1. This matrix has very little to do with market cap, and a Lot to do with technology

2. I messaged the AEON thread and nobody got back to me until you (thank you)

Please have a look and let me know if any of the features or roadmap items need adjusting

cheers

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DeepOnion is still in developement stage, it has several more features which are going to be implemented during the roadmap, such as the DeepSend feature.

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Quote from: Miner2525 on January 03, 2018, 09:14:44 AM

ZenCash doesn't have "mixing masternodes". Nodes will use regular TLS for end-to-end security so the indication belongs under "Protection". It does little good to have inter-node traffic for zk-snarks, mixing or hiding completely transparent and sniffable. The NSA hardly has a problem inferring and reconstructing origins and destinations with that kind of publically-available data.

Thank you Miner2525, I appreciate it.

If you have a specific suggestion of how I might alter the matrix to better reflect that point, let me know and I'll look into it. If I move masternodes over to protection, I move All masternodes over to protection. It would be a bit of a mess, athough it would have some validity to it.

When I put the matrix together, not knowing Zencash/Zcash didn't mix, I still did assume that it would be obvious that coins with zero knowledge proof had redundancy in any mixing functions. So to me, the masternodes was just an extra to the main feature of ZKP coins. I could definitely clarify.

But before I do that, I have to ask a question....why wouldn't you mix? Other than because zcash obviously didn't either? It's true, masternodes didn't originally mix, and were there more for network protection. But nowadays, isn't mixing sort of part and parcel with most masternodes?

You have made a really good point here I'll have to think about. But I don't want to get ahead of myself unless there's a good reason Not to mix.

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Awesome work thanks for pulling this together Grin

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