Topic: Anonymity, Security and Privacy: Anonymous Cryptocurrency Enhancement Comparsion - page 6. (Read 3081 times)

Thanks for that info. Don't know how you manage to gather these infos. I thought DSR would be good. Is Zoin a safe bet? Can it also become a dead coin? What makes a coin vulnerable to becoming dead? Also, coins with high POS rewards(Xios), is that a red flag? seeing something giving over 700% annual rewards seems too good to be true.

One other small correction for XSPEC : encrypted messaging is on the roadmap for an upcoming release.

Great work, btw. Really useful to have.

Thank you Eleanor!  Great news on the Multisig addition!     I've added that and the Atomic Swap Roadmap to the matrix.

Yes, a lot of the privacy coins do have exchange related plans.  Unfortunately, some of them abandoned their privacy goals in the process.   So I am mixed on that one.  Any others?    Thoughts?

What if I make a column for decentralized Private, Secure, exchanges?

Thank you Pinstripe!  I really appreciate it and I think Blackbytes are incredibly interesting.   I have read all the above previously and they are good links.  If you feel the matrix needs to be adjusted just let me know and I'll look into it.   

One thing that I think would be very useful to get an update on...how is Byteball doing with regards to decentralizing their network?   DAG has received a lot of Flack for this.  IOTA was even caught withdrawing money out of users accounts.   Obviously a security concern.   That said, if we are to be honest, even Bitcoin was originally centralized, and even now...has some centralization issues.    I understand Byteball has been working to address their DAG-related centralization issues.   Any idea how that's going?
http://byteballjp.info/2017/11/24/interview-with-mr-churyumov-and-how-he-thinks-about-witness-and-distribution-of-byteball/

Wow, thank you carap!

This will take some time lol.  Here is a brief summary of my first glance.   I will have to whittle away at this with everyone's help:

Hcash (HSR): https://h.cash      Decred and Dash fork...Adding Super, super dodgy ICO here, even for an overseas coins, but a lot of promises made
StealthCoin (XST): https://www.stealthcoin.com/    Added as you were posting
Crave Project (CRAVE): https://craveproject.net      Blackcoin fork, adding
Bulwark (BWK): https://bulwarkcrypto.com             Dash/PIVX fork, adding
InnovaCoin (INN): https://innovacoin.info               Another Dash fork......um..., ok...adding?
Phore (PHR): https://phore.io                                 PIVX fork....adding maybe?
Pura (PUR): https://pura.one/                                Another Dash fork......um..., ok...adding?  Maybe?
Sumokoin (SUMO): https://www.sumokoin.org/       Already added, was in wrong alphabetical order, fixed in next publication
Grin (http://grin-tech.org/)                                    Looks interesting!  Adding.  Will mostly be roadmaps
Aeon (AEON): http://www.aeon.cash/                     Early Monero fork, I had mentioned it earlier.  I may ask the community if it has any new privacy enhancements
SolarisCoin (XLR): https://solariscoin.com/              PIVX fork....adding maybe?
Pure (PURE): https://purealt.org/                            Dash fork....recent scam claims....adding...... maybe?........
Enigma (ENG): https://www.enigma.co/                 Talks about privacy but doesn't describe any privacy features? ICO Hacked  https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/24/enigma-refund/
Aion (AION): https://aion.network/                         Interesting coin, can't find any privacy features in whitepaper
Obsidian (ODN): https://obsidianplatform.com/        Interesting software, private messenger, can't find any privacy features in whitepaper that relate to cryptocurrency


I might also have to look at ColossusCoinXT

Thank you SafeCoins. Your reference table is an interesting and valuable resource.

I'm not very technically proficient when it comes to crypto, but when I saw Byteball on the list, I wanted to add a couple of
Byteball Blackbytes resources that may be helpful to you and the community:

Byteball: Blackbytes FAQ:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/byteball-blackbytes-faq-2020882

Hiding entire content of on-chain transactions (by Byteball dev Tonych):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hiding-entire-content-of-on-chain-transactions-1574508

and
Byteball Wiki on Blackbytes
https://byteroll.com/blackbytes

Hope it`s helpful.

Don't think anyone's chimed in about PIVX yet (most of the PIVX community is on Discord/Reddit/Twitter). There may well be other info I'm missing, but here are some things I noticed:

PIVX has had multisig for a while but recently improved the GUI to make it more user-friendly, so you definitely need a green 'yes' in that column. (Source: release notes for wallet v. 3.0.5 onwards)
Like some other coins on this list, PIVX can be run as a Tor hidden service if desired...so, maybe an orange 'optional' there? (Source: various, but e.g. https://github.com/PIVX-Project/PIVX/blob/master/doc/tor.md)

If you're going to include future additions based on the roadmap, as you have for Verge Atomic Swaps, then you should include Dandelion Protocol under 'hiding' for PIVX (https://www.reddit.com/r/pivx/comments/7iw1fq/when_is_pivx_implementing_dandelion_protocol_to/).

And, as a more general comment, you might want to consider including a column for decentralized exchange integration, which is an important consideration for any privacy coin. PIVX has its own decentralized exchange in the roadmap (zDEX; various sources, but e.g. https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@valderrama/pivx-mandatory-wallet-upgrade-and-even-more-privacy-with-zdex), which will allow zPIV (i.e., zero-piv) to be traded in-wallet. I'm assuming some other privacy coins have similar plans as well.

Good luck with your list.

Awesome roadmap finpunk,   extremely ambitious!  Makes me wonder if I should have anonymous file sharing on here or not.  Whole other ball of wax but getting harder to ignore.

Then there's anonymous chat....I will keep an eye on that.

DAG seems a bit far out but with all that on the roadmap I gotta add something lol....so I've done so and will be published shortly.

Keep us updated!

Thank you pvk444,

It likely doesn't highlight the feature to the extent you would like, but I have updated the matrix to show this distinction with regards to integration with the Tor network for cloakcoin and Spectrecion.   I won't comment on which way is better, I think they both have their own merits.   I would also be interested in what the deeponion crowd has to say about it.   

Very cool comparison. Want to point out that ZenCash is working an R&D project for a DAG scaling solution, more details to come as the project matures. In meantime, here's our roadmap to ref what's in the pipeline this coming year:

trello.com/b/C0L7hGCV/development-roadmap

Thanks TSVHoff and pvk444,

So, when everyone is on-board but slightly unhappy, that's probably where things should be haha

Nobody is getting all the representation they want, but everyone is getting some representation.  I'm doing my best to represent things fairly which means nobody is going to be completely happy.  

A quick comment on OBFS4 and ENIGMA:  They have nothing in common, just to be clear.

OBFS4 was developed out of the Tor project.  It is not a special tech that any one coin owns.  It is a Tor protocol that any coin can be developed to follow.
     It has substantial documentation describing exactly what it does, and how.  Not from a coin, but by the Tor project.
        https://github.com/Yawning/obfs4   https://godoc.org/git.torproject.org/pluggable-transports/obfs4.git/transports/obfs4
        https://www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports.html.en
        

ENIGMA:  I don't know what this is because nobody has said what it is.   Whether it is audited or not we need to know what it is. Doing my own research, it looks to serve a function similar to masternodes, so that's where I put it.   I am completely open to putting it somewhere else or making a new column, but I can't just create an "Enigma" column and provide no information as to what "Engima" is.    So while appropriately named, Enigma needs to be a little bit less of an Enigma before we can compare it to other tech.

Thank you very much carap, I really appreciate it.    I've updated Zcoin to include Znodes, great catch.

So my only comment is that most of this info is already readily available on many sites.   I could integrate it into a website or app, yes, or I could just provide links to coinmarketcap, etc.   Keeping track of coin stats is an expertise to itself.  For instance, God help me I have no idea how they figure out what Ripple's supply is.   But I digress.   I will work towards this but my focus will definitely be the Anonymous, Private, and Security enhancements themselves.   The listing of respective coins is secondary to this, and their associated stats, further down the list.

As soon as I make this look like a ranking, I'll appear to be siding with one particular coin and as soon as I lose neutrality, this thread becomes all too common.    So I will consider it, but cautiously and while maintaining focus on anonymous features.

A quick update on Verge:   I may need to re-visit that evaluation after issues around the wraith protocol deployment today:

https://www.google.com/search?q=verge+wraith+fail

It's a mess out there on Verge right now.  I'm not going to call it a fail yet, but I will say buyer beware, and that my current evaluation of them may be "optimistic".

And I am still optimistic, I'm hoping that when things settle out, we find that they do in fact have these features now.  Or, they are just one quick update away from them.

If you have VALID information on this (I don't want to make things worse, I'm just looking for Facts at this point), it would be greatly appreciated. 

My current thought is to give it a day or two, and then re-visit.

Thanks cryptki,

Appears to be a Dash fork which is currently stuck on a block and nobody can get past it.  Perhaps this message will help, I don't know.   But seeing as it has no new features and may be a dead coin at this point, I'll use a wait-and-see approach, if that's ok.

If anyone wants to take a chance on mining the stuck block (others have tried and failed):  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2198958.220

You might also want to have a look at the following:

Hcash (HSR): https://h.cash
StealthCoin (XST): https://www.stealthcoin.com/
Crave Project (CRAVE): https://craveproject.net
Bulwark (BWK): https://bulwarkcrypto.com
InnovaCoin (INN): https://innovacoin.info
Phore (PHR): https://phore.io
Pura (PUR): https://pura.one/
Sumokoin (SUMO): https://www.sumokoin.org/
Grin (http://grin-tech.org/)
Aeon (AEON): http://www.aeon.cash/
SolarisCoin (XLR): https://solariscoin.com/
Pure (PURE): https://purealt.org/
Enigma (ENG): https://www.enigma.co/
Aion (AION): https://aion.network/
Obsidian (ODN): https://obsidianplatform.com/

SafeCoins, thank you for the great work you've done! I'm a big fan of privacy coins.

May I suggest a couple of things (columns) that I personally consider important when making my investment decisions.

1. When looking for a new coin I need to know whenever it is a coin or token (I don't buy tokens, I want miners since they help decentralization).
2. What is the a maximum supply of coins.
3. Which hashing algo used (to quickly estimate whenever it is for ASIC, GPU, CPU, etc..).
4. An official website address, where more information about that coin could be found. 
5. Could be helpful to also know the current price and circulating supply, but that will require a regular update (could automate with google spreadsheets, let me know if you need a script for).

*. Finally, JFYI Zcoin has a masternode.

Again, thank you for this thread!  

How is it "biased" ? The table uses privacy related features which are commonly used when comparing any coin. All the listed coins, XSPEC as well, has many additional features which are not listed. Given this generic nature of the comparison, I believe it even underplays what XSPEC has to offer, not the otherway around.

Also, given that XSPEC is built into TOR with OBSF4, it "inherits" the respective security features. Don't know what the user base of ENIGMA is, but I bet it does not come close to those using TOR and therefore providing "audit" of the security aspects on an ongoing basis.

that whole comparison was too much biased for Spectrcoin.


the same way spectr has OBFS4, CloakCoin has ENIGMA to a whole new way to do anon transactions.



ENIGMA is audited by a security company (COGNOSEC, listed on NASDAQ), Spectr is doing the same error as other coins do, which is bringing up the tech without knowing if it is 100% secure.

We saw this before, every month coins network get hacked because of lack of security, when ppl start to use spectr a lot that will attract attention of hackers, and then we will see if it is really secure.

Thanks! SpectreCoin is looking like something to invest in. For the last point, Cloak does include stealth addresses when processed through Enigma, so I believe they are not publicly visible.

As for #3, there is a comparison on http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin.

Here are some of the privacy related differences:

• While CloakCoin has its own onion routing network, SpectreCoin is part of the official Tor network. Thus, for XSPEC, it means that there are much more nodes participating in the network, and is thereofre more difficult to censor.
• Cloak's ENIGMA protocol seems to be based on mixing, whereas SpectreCoin uses untraceable ring signatures. Ring signatures (using private fixed-size tokens) are information-theoretically anonymous, while mixed transactions could possibly be prone to correlation attacks and malicious nodes.
• For ClaokCoan, all funds are visible on the blockchain, whereas in SpectreCoin, funds that are stored as private balance (tokens for ring signatures) are not publicly visible.