Another betting fraud in Brazil - part 2 - page 2.

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Quote from: alastantiger on May 12, 2023, 10:56:04 AM

It will be very difficult to fight the "cartels" involved in match fixing. Unfortunately, this is not just a Brazilian problem, it is a global problem from Asia to Europe to South America it is rampant. There may even be international rings involved in this. For example despite gambling being illegal in India, there are still reported cases of match fixing that occurs in cricket. A great solution to this is that sports budget should be increased so that players in smaller leagues would get better renumeration.

I agree every country has its own gambling lords and organized mafias to control gambling betting through game fixing, these mafias have contacts and money to lure top players and even officials to connive and fix the matches, this betting fraud in Brazil game fixing has their version in many countries, they are not yet exposed but it really is happening, many sports commissions are aware of game fixing but the mafias have control on some media for it not to leak.
Every country has its own watchdog but sometimes the watchdogs are on the payroll of these mafias.

These are the kinds of problems that the government must deal with. This is outside the scope of any normal person to overcome as these cartels are definitely powerful and dangerous. Since they control majority of these platforms, they can manipulate the outcome to their liking, thereby making gambling a business venture on their end.

Unfortunately for us normal individuals, we really cannot do anything about it but to avoid engaging into their controlled casino. The more a person fights or attempts to show restraint, the more risk you put on your own life with it.

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Every day there is news about the fraud, and as I suspected, it is bigger than we think

In the story below for example (in the link), the players placed a multiple bet of 175 BRL and won 43,000 BRL
In just one weekend they spent 260,00 BRL on bribes, won 730,000, so the profit was 470,000 BRL.

Source HERE

I can't answer everyone because there are too many messages, but I can say that players, even in Brazil, earn VERY well and have no need for bribes
--> Most players earn much more in one month of salary than the bribe they received.
--> Another thing is that it was not only in minor leagues, or the B series, players from big teams are also involved.

Here is some pics of two bets:

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Quote from: pawanjain on May 11, 2023, 01:12:46 PM

Match fixing in soccer ? It's the first time I am hearing that because from what I knew, soccer players already get paid enough and so they don't require match fixing.
I have heard about match fixing in all other games but not in soccer. Everyone involved in these match fixing should be punished.
In my country there were few cricketers involved in match fixing and got caught and were banned from playing cricket again.
Their sports career came to an end and similar punishment should be given to those soccer players involved in match fixing.

If you're really serious then you really are like a kid in this story. It's not a strange thing, it's almost a reality in places where football doesn't have too much influence. The larger the event, the higher the price to pay for match-fixing, so it is easier for national football leagues to be settled. It's not strange to me, I've seen a whole team get banned because of this Roll Eyes

May be because soccer/football is not so popular in my country which is why I haven't heard of match fixing in here.
I mostly watch FIFA and other leagues and I think the players are already paid enough and hence no match fixing allegations are against them.

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Quote from: rdluffy on May 10, 2023, 10:04:31 PM

Some even considered paralyzing the Brazilian championship, but this has already been ruled out by CBF, which is working together with FIFA to investigate more efficiently.

It is absurd that this kind of scam still happens because it harms almost everyone: the bookmakers that have no way to predict this attitude and lose money, the teams, the fans, and even us honest betters who analyze to make a bet. It is a time of great expansion for bookmakers in Brazil, it is very important that all those responsible are punished so that the industry can continue to grow and prosper honestly.

It is a big shame for this kind of scam to happen in a football nation like Brazil. When compared to other leagues in some European and other American countries Brazil has a well-organised league. Some of their players are well-payed. This match-fixing can destroy the beautiful game of football and make fans lose confidence in the game. Some gamblers will now doubt the transparency and reputation of the game of football and it might affect the revenue of gambling firms.

This act can also be caused by poverty and greed. Apart from clubs like Flamengo, Palmeiras, Atlético Mineiro, and others, most clubs pay their players poorly. This might lure them to engage in this criminal activity, making them receive as low as $10,000 to cause penalties or get booked. This money is just a stipends for players in some clubs in Europe. Poor earnings should not be a genuine justification for committing a crime. Their earning might also be enough to take care of their basic needs but some of them are driven by greed. They want to live above their means.

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Quote from: alastantiger on May 12, 2023, 10:56:04 AM

It will be very difficult to fight the "cartels" involved in match fixing. Unfortunately, this is not just a Brazilian problem, it is a global problem from Asia to Europe to South America it is rampant. There may even be international rings involved in this. For example despite gambling being illegal in India, there are still reported cases of match fixing that occurs in cricket. A great solution to this is that sports budget should be increased so that players in smaller leagues would get better renumeration.

I agree every country has its own gambling lords and organized mafias to control gambling betting through game fixing, these mafias have contacts and money to lure top players and even officials to connive and fix the matches, this betting fraud in Brazil game fixing has their version in many countries, they are not yet exposed but it really is happening, many sports commissions are aware of game fixing but the mafias have control on some media for it not to leak.
Every country has its own watchdog but sometimes the watchdogs are on the payroll of these mafias.

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Quote from: Aikidoka on May 12, 2023, 10:32:23 AM

It's a shame to hear that a fixed game occurred in a famous division like Brazil's league. I would expect such incidents to happen in lower divisions or third-world countries, but to have it happen in the A and B series of Brazil's league is quite surprising. Such stuffs like that destroy the fairness of the game and undermine its normal rules.

IMO every football game should now be equipped with VAR to check any incidents that may occur between players, referees, and even coaches in order to avoid any cheating or unfair play. I hope that we won't see anything like that again in the Brazilian football league as I am a fan of that league and really enjoy watching it from time to time.

It is quite sad to see that some athletes are willing to compromise their abilities and reputation for financial gain. Even though they might not be making enough money from their chosen sport, tampering with the rules would have a long-term negative impact on their reputations since supporters might never trust them again. They might pass up other chances in the future.
If other teams commit this fraudulence, the league organization needs to act quickly to correct the situation because failing to do so could destroy the country's football business in the coming days. Although I hope that this occurrence won't occur again, I'm sure that other players would still try if they were promised a large sum of money.

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Quote from: rdluffy on May 10, 2023, 10:04:31 PM

Now they have discovered yet another big sports betting fraud scheme in Brazil, it's like the part 2
The repercussion in Brazil is such that CBF has already asked the Federal Police to investigate.
So far there are 16 defendants involving players from the A and B series of the Brazilian championship.
Including the most notable so far is the Santos player Eduardo Bauermann, who has already been removed from the team and will probably be fired.

It will be very difficult to fight the "cartels" involved in match fixing. Unfortunately, this is not just a Brazilian problem, it is a global problem from Asia to Europe to South America it is rampant. There may even be international rings involved in this. For example despite gambling being illegal in India, there are still reported cases of match fixing that occurs in cricket. A great solution to this is that sports budget should be increased so that players in smaller leagues would get better renumeration.

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It's a shame to hear that a fixed game occurred in a famous division like Brazil's league. I would expect such incidents to happen in lower divisions or third-world countries, but to have it happen in the A and B series of Brazil's league is quite surprising. Such stuffs like that destroy the fairness of the game and undermine its normal rules.

IMO every football game should now be equipped with VAR to check any incidents that may occur between players, referees, and even coaches in order to avoid any cheating or unfair play. I hope that we won't see anything like that again in the Brazilian football league as I am a fan of that league and really enjoy watching it from time to time.

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Quote from: molsewid on May 12, 2023, 09:46:33 AM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on May 11, 2023, 02:12:02 PM

When players or teams are weaker ones or they don't recognize any ethics - they prefer this route. They fix match results. They sometimes determine outcome of many things like scoring 2 goals at the start of game etc. I feel very sad about Brazilian football watchers and fans. When there are huge allegations about this kind of match fixing scandal, I directly lose my energy, motivation. It makes you feel like watching football is nothing important.

But the thing is they should practice integrity, whether they are famous or not they should learn that, that is what team should learn along the road. Games will be non sense and no thrill at all if most of team fixing their matches. It happens twice I think Brazil football federation or any Organization related to this should take an action and they should implement the law more efficiently.

They should, but since they aren't forced to, unfortunatelly their free will points to the shady way of earning easy money by deceiving and betraying the audience, the fans, the sport and their own profession. They show no love, passion or care for the sport they are playing and put money above everything in the world, as their final goal.

I think from now on, athletes will have to pass an 'ethics test' or 'psychological test' before being recruited by teams and leagues, so their personality can be analyzed by professionals beforehand in order to prevent future issues.

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Quote from: rdluffy on May 10, 2023, 10:04:31 PM

It is absurd that this kind of scam still happens because it harms almost everyone: the bookmakers that have no way to predict this attitude and lose money, the teams, the fans, and even us honest betters who analyze to make a bet. It is a time of great expansion for bookmakers in Brazil, it is very important that all those responsible are punished so that the industry can continue to grow and prosper honestly.

The purpose of fraud is to enrich themself and that is what people involved in betting fraud in Brazil do, even I suspect that this betting fraud many exist if the investigation is carried out intensively. Betting fraud is detrimental to many parties, but it also involves many parties, not only players but also officials.
This undermines fair play and severe sanctions should be applied not only to dismissal but also fines as well as imprisonment and banning these people from participating in this sport forever because they will likely repeat it if they remain involved as players or officials. Luckily the police are also involved in this investigation so that it can provide a deterrent effect to anyone who intends to do the same thing unfortunately one of the players who was fired was only 27 years old, meaning he still had a long career but fraudulent behavior ruined his career and he paid the price for his foolishness.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on May 11, 2023, 02:12:02 PM

When players or teams are weaker ones or they don't recognize any ethics - they prefer this route. They fix match results. They sometimes determine outcome of many things like scoring 2 goals at the start of game etc. I feel very sad about Brazilian football watchers and fans. When there are huge allegations about this kind of match fixing scandal, I directly lose my energy, motivation. It makes you feel like watching football is nothing important.

But the thing is they should practice integrity, whether they are famous or not they should learn that, that is what team should learn along the road. Games will be non sense and no thrill at all if most of team fixing their matches. It happens twice I think Brazil football federation or any Organization related to this should take an action and they should implement the law more efficiently.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 11, 2023, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: QueenVera on May 11, 2023, 06:17:38 PM

I've only been hearing about news of fixed matches and I never thought of the possibility and how it is been done because I've always pictured it to be a very expensive business and u was sure that if it was truly possible to fix .at he's, then I must be truly expensive but at the long run, it doesn't really seem expensive to fix up some local matches as I'm sure it wouldn't be easy or anything close to easy to fix International matches.

I hope that tge law carries out tye appropriate punishment on all the offenders involved in this kind if act so it will serve more as a lesson to other criminals and wolves in sheep's clothing because acts like this are reasons why the gambling is still fighting global adoption easily.

Two things, a big syndicate is behind this and there are players willing to fix games in exchange for big money, this is very bad for every sports organization, players are getting good figures and they accept sponsorships, this is a big black for any sports organizations, it ruins people's trust and this will have an impact on the reputation of the organizations and possible a big reduction of gate receipts and viewerships
The only way to regain their status is for the organization to prosecute everyone involved and don't make a sacred cow or make an exception, the fastest or the earliest time that they can fire and charge these people the better.

I also think most of these players involved in this practice are already very shallow minded and I see no reason why I should sell my future over some few token now that I would have gained massively in the future.
This issue is becoming very rampart in the gambling industry and I suggest it's high time we strive to put an end to all of this as it is killing the spirit of trust in the gambling industry.
There should be serious regulations and punishment attached to anyone who is found involving in any form gambling malpractice and match fixing

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A lower league should not go and if a player indulges in match fixing, there will be a general feeling that he is cheating the gamblers in cricket and betting futures are ruined. Match fixing is a game that predetermines the outcome of a match or the outcome of a certain part of the match. Incidents such as match fixing are committed by violating the rules and regulations of a particular game. The main reason for match fixing is the possibility of financial gain through gamblers. Sometimes players can do match fixing even if they want to the main reason for this is corruption.

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Quote from: _act_ on May 12, 2023, 04:33:10 AM

Match fixing is common in low leagues, but not in international leagues. This is the reason we should not go for low leagues because their matches can be fixed. Not the leagues only in your country, but many other countries too.

Lower leagues attract lesser attention and scrutiny, it can be a reason why it is always targeted by match fixers for their match fixing. It will not be easy to fix matches easily in the bigger Leagues that almost everyone pays attention to without raising attention and suspicion. Match fixing is terrible and can entirely affect the future of betting when people begin to find out that the games are no longer free and fair as they should be.

The sort of fraud in sports may still be found in other countries that have a huge number of persons interested in sports like football just like Brazil. Match fixing is possible in countries like Argentina, Mexico, Spain and others, although maybe not yet at the Brazilian level.

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Quote from: rdluffy on May 10, 2023, 10:04:31 PM

After the first one that @alegotardo posted HERE

Now they have discovered yet another big sports betting fraud scheme in Brazil, it's like the part 2
The repercussion in Brazil is such that CBF has already asked the Federal Police to investigate.
So far there are 16 defendants involving players from the A and B series of the Brazilian championship.
Including the most notable so far is the Santos player Eduardo Bauermann, who has already been removed from the team and will probably be fired.

Brazil had been known as one of the countries where sports activities in their varieties takes place and they are known for these because almost every Brazilian engage in doing one sport or the other, but why scam is getting common to this same country becomes a thing of concern as people will begin to loose trust in the gambling aspect if the government through its agencies on sports affairs is not making regulations or taking necessary steps to curb this fraudulent activities in Brazil regarding gambling, many may lost trust in gambling because they will be afraid of getting scammed anytime they are interested in gambling.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 12, 2023, 02:28:40 AM

I stopped watching Cricket when one of my Cricket heros were caught with match fixing... and I wonder how many other people stopped watching Soccer after they found out about this fraud. (Do people still care.... or do they just accept that corruption and match fixing has become the norm?)

I think people prefer to forget it and keep moving because it were happen so many times, but we have see if football is become the biggest sport and can't be replaced until now. It's like a new norm I guess, not only when the team or player caught match fixing, but if a small team can beat a big team, many people will say it's match fixing even though there's no proof.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on May 11, 2023, 03:13:43 PM

I'm not even surprised. I know people who were involved in something similar in low league football in my home town and they were making pennies on this, each of the players were getting something like $100 per fixed match and they still found it worth the risk.

Match fixing is common in low leagues, but not in international leagues. This is the reason we should not go for low leagues because their matches can be fixed. Not the leagues only in your country, but many other countries too. Bookmakers are making it possible for people to bet on low leagues, but it is we that should know that going for higher leagues is better. Brazilian league is not a low league though but lower to top European leagues which manipulation can be reduced or not existing.

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The big problem is that the governing bodies that are supposed to set an example, is just as corrupt as the players. We saw all the corruption that are done at FIFA and the high profile people that were involved in the past... and players think they too can get away with this, because the high profile people that were involved with that... only received a slap on the wrist. Roll Eyes

I stopped watching Cricket when one of my Cricket heros were caught with match fixing... and I wonder how many other people stopped watching Soccer after they found out about this fraud. (Do people still care.... or do they just accept that corruption and match fixing has become the norm?)

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Quote from: rdluffy on May 10, 2023, 10:04:31 PM

It is absurd that this kind of scam still happens because it harms almost everyone: the bookmakers that have no way to predict this attitude and lose money, the teams, the fans, and even us honest betters who analyze to make a bet. It is a time of great expansion for bookmakers in Brazil, it is very important that all those responsible are punished so that the industry can continue to grow and prosper honestly.

Brazil again, it's heartbreaking that this is becoming a very serious issues in the Brazilian leagues. Could it be because of the soccer culture in Brazil that this crimes is increasing. I think Brazil is the most nation caught for betting fraud.

If this continues then it'll discourage people from betting or watching the matches and this will create a very serious problem for the sportsbook as they go out of business and clubs might start finding it difficult to sell tickets too.

My solution to this match fixing betting fraud happening in Brazil would be for sportsbook to spot providing betting option for lower league for soccer in Brazil. They can resume later but for the main time, they should stop until they have things inorder.

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Aside from the bookmakers and the teams and the honest bettors, I think the most affected of this kind of scandal is the sports and the sports leagues. They're gonna be losing fans and live audience because of this.

Well, if this is addressed immediately and everything will go back to normal, the damage could be minimal. But if the investigation finds out that it is actually so much worse than how it seems, who would be watching their games? If I am a fan myself and find out that fixing and other illegal negotiations are happening behind the games, I won't be following it anymore.

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