Topic: Another betting fraud in Brazil - part 2 - page 3. (Read 372 times)

Very much. I think te level of importance we attach to these secondary leagues becomes a probable cause as to reasons why they involve in match fixing. People dint so much adorn the league or give it much importance and so, they hope people and regulators will as well turn a blind eye when it comes to monitoring the league but,its good that this isn't the case. Habits like this when not handled always grows to manifest in the top leagues.

Something am not very convinced about is, if the bookmakers or the teams involved aren't having something to gain out of this. In fact, every party with a stake is a party to ask questions.
As much as there could be victimisation, let the parties go down with the victims as well.

The more people involved or included on the circle the more risky it would be to be spilled out or to leak out and this is where it would really be busted and it is really just right that those who are involved should really be banned,get fired, impose huge violation fees or whatsoever which it is really just that right basing on what they had just did. In speaking about match fixing or players getting bribed or whatsoever then
it isnt really that new or shocking news. We've see several in previous years and there's no way that it could be completely stopped on upcoming years to come.
Good thing that this one had been caught up because if not then lots of honest bettors or even bookies itself would be fucked up hard just because the game
is just been rigged up. Not shocking or something new but its very unethical but for the sake of money then nothing surprises us anymore.

The good part about these scams is that sooner or later something will always go wrong and someone will lose a lot of money.
Either because a foul was not committed, a card was not applied, or something like that.
Then, the bettor who enticed the player will be very nervous for the money he lost, because he counted that event as certain and bet a lot of money on it. Then the "humiliated" player has a great chance of exposing the whole scheme, bringing the case to light.

Unfortunately, Brazil, a great football host, has many cases like this, but I only know the tip of the iceberg.
Even so, it is good to know that the CBF and the federal police are acting very seriously in the cases that are unraveled.

I totally understand why would it happen. Easy money for everyone involved. And i am pretty sure that they thought their circle was air tight. If no one admits anything no one can be charged. Problems however start to arise when people get greedy and more people needs to shut up. At some point someone will spill out something to their friends etc, like a good tip for a sure bet. And those people can speak when they are celebrating. This is why real conspiracies / frauds only have few people involved.

Depends on how strong the law in that country regarding sports betting fraud is. If those involved can just pay money in exchange for their release and freedom, there will be no good progress in the long run and the cycle will just continue. The big syndicates, or even called "mafia" have a wide influence that even the authorities can't make them shut down.

I'm sure some of those players, teams, associations, etc. don't really want to participate in that kind of sh*t but having no choice.

Well then, God bless Brazil and I hope they can regain the trust of the people, especially those die-hard sports lovers in their country.

Two things, a big syndicate is behind this and there are players willing to fix games in exchange for big money, this is very bad for every sports organization, players are getting good figures and they accept sponsorships, this is a big black for any sports organizations, it ruins people's trust and this will have an impact on the reputation of the organizations and possible a big reduction of gate receipts and viewerships
The only way to regain their status is for the organization to prosecute everyone involved and don't make a sacred cow or make an exception, the fastest or the earliest time that they can fire and charge these people the better.

I've only been hearing about news of fixed matches and I never thought of the possibility  and how it is been done because I've always pictured it to be a very expensive business and i was sure that if it was truly possible to fix matches, then it must be truly expensive but at the long run, it doesn't really seem expensive to fix up some local matches as I'm sure it wouldn't be easy or anything close to easy to fix International matches.

I hope that the law carries out the appropriate punishment on all the offenders involved in this kind if act so it will serve more as a lesson to other criminals  and wolves in sheep's clothing because acts like this are reasons why the gambling is still fighting global adoption.

Not a first time though as I have always knew that match fixing existed in soccer but never thought it would be in the Brazilian league looking at how it is somehow popular when it comes to other leagues. I always had a hunch that match fixing would be done in rural league where the players are under paid so they take the act as business for them to make easy cash but it still improper though for player to do so because its removes the joy from the game as it would now look like a stage fight or acting in the wwe.

And I tend to ignore it. Life is hard and it's going to keep kicking your butt. You either succumb to this and get shitty days every now and then, or you develop a rock solid butt and go on with your life.
I'm having a blast, even when I'm losing money and a stupid betting fraud in a country far away is not going to make it any worse for me.

I'm not even surprised. I know people who were involved in something similar in low league football in my home town and they were making pennies on this, each of the players were getting something like $100 per fixed match and they still found it worth the risk.

I believe that in all leagues there have already been scandals involving fixed games, some bribery of referees and players and the entire technical team, but currently with the appearance of technology and the much money that the sport has moved, things of this type are reducing a lot, it is no longer like 5 or 10 years ago, that's why in my opinion we shouldn't look at the Brazilian leagues as if all games were fixed, as if all results were manipulated, these cases that are being reported are something that does not influence the winner of the league or the quality of the teams, obviously the police need to investigate this and punish so that cases of this type do not happen anymore or that at least it is very difficult to see if this type of cases again

in my opinion, VAR technology should be put in all leagues and cameras in every corner of the stadiums and after each game there should be a team of inspectors in each league who go to see all the videos of the games of each day to see the reaction of the referees , the decision of the referees, the posture of each coach and players, with that it would be more difficult to have cases of manipulation of games, cases of fixed games, if any player or coach accepts bribes and cases of referees accept bribes.


We cannot exaggerate and think that all games are fixed in the Brazilian league, these are things that have happened even in Europe and Africa and Asia, the winners of the Brazilian leagues win on merit, and we just see how many good Brazilian players are playing in Europe , it's not by luck or manipulation, and because the Brazilian league has a lot of quality and these cases are not going to take away that great quality, obviously they are negative things when you see something like that but there are police to investigate and courts to punish

Personally, I'm not sure that the gambling industry would grow any stronger if cheating and fixed matches were completely eliminated. It's like corruption. As one of my acquaintances said - if the corruption component is completely eliminated, no one will be interested in being in power. I don't know how true that is, but there is some truth in it.

I think it's the same in sports - no one will promote something that doesn't bring him money. I'm sure there's a lot of intrigue surrounding sporting events, and the people in power don't pass up opportunities to profit from it.

When players or teams are weaker ones or they don't recognize any ethics - they prefer this route. They fix match results. They sometimes determine outcome of many things like scoring 2 goals at the start of game etc. I feel very sad about Brazilian football watchers and fans. When there are huge allegations about this kind of match fixing scandal, I directly lose my energy, motivation. It makes you feel like watching football is nothing important.

If you're really serious then you really are like a kid in this story. It's not a strange thing, it's almost a reality in places where football doesn't have too much influence. The larger the event, the higher the price to pay for match-fixing, so it is easier for national football leagues to be settled. It's not strange to me, I've seen a whole team get banned because of this 

Match fixing in soccer ? It's the first time I am hearing that because from what I knew, soccer players already get paid enough and so they don't require match fixing.
I have heard about match fixing in all other games but not in soccer. Everyone involved in these match fixing should be punished.
In my country there were few cricketers involved in match fixing and got caught and were banned from playing cricket again.
Their sports career came to an end and similar punishment should be given to those soccer players involved in match fixing.

Easy money for them. Since sports nowadays are also considered as "business" then a "job" yeah, right, it's business, selling the players game just to get higher pot for their own wallet, unfortunately. But im not talking generally, there are lots of legends in sports who are not into money.

Although in this particular case, the players themselves are heavily involved in the fraud, it just goes to show the intentional lack of regulations and laws. It all comes down to the politicians making this possible. I would not be surprised if the latest betting fraud in Brazil filled up some politicians pockets up to the brim. If they really wanted to fight this kind of corruption, they could easily do so. They would only have to look at other countries as an example. But I doubt it will ever happen. Too many bribes in the wrong hands.

Seems sad, really. Seeing as football is a national treasure for Brazil. You would think they would treat it with more honor and reverance...

The fact that the article calls it soccer is laughable. I hate that word. I mean seriously, who call its soccer?

Unfortunately there's a big scandal involving Barcelona in la liga too, check: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/04/football/uefa-president-aleksander-ceferin-barcelona-scandal-spt-intl/index.html



The player who is in the example now is Santos' Bauermann, who accepted 50,000 BRL for the scheme.
Detail, his monthly salary is around 200,000 BRL, it is illogical that the player does this. There's nothing to justify this...


It's sad to see this kind of news, but it's important to know and now CBF and Police are doing the investigation, probably in all clubs, for sure there's another players, and more will be discovered. I say that it is important because only by punishing those responsible can we have a more honest and fair soccer.
We bet without any inside information, everyone should place their bets in this transparent way.

I feel so bad for the bookmakers because they'd lose. Some of the questions that came to mind after reading this are
- Would the players still allow themselves to be bribed if they were paid well?
- Is jail term the perfect punishment for this?


They need to start at the football academy level and talk to the upcoming youngsters about the dangers inherent in engaging in this. Maybe start a campaign where they bring in some Brazilian football legends to add their voice to it because it is killing the love for the sports in Brazil and may even affect how scouters see players from that region.

Sports regulators like FIFA have probably come a long way battling match-fixing but there will always be new syndicates that will try to make their way into these smaller leagues again. I bet what was uncovered in Brazil isn't going to be the last one.

Until there is a solid case against any referee that gives unfair advantage to Barcelona in their matches then it's still safe to say that La Liga is the better league to bet on.

That should be expect to happen in Brazil, where corruption is recognized as one of the main traits of the nation, besides the fact sportsbooks are insanely popular right now. If you watch any games on the television you will have an impression the championship is fully sponsored by bet houses, because there are so many of them everywhere! They are on the TV's propagandas, players' uniforms, field's ads, press conference's ads...

There are popular local celebrities and athletes promoting sportsbooks as well. It was just a matter of time until some wicked players started being recruited by scam schemes involving frauds on sports matches. Since they are greedy for money, and for some reason can't improve performance on the field, they appeal to cheatery and illegality. That is the final result: an industry you can't trust anymore...