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I think Google is purposefully fighting with crypto channels on YouTube. What do you think this is related to?

i almost forgot that youtube was also owned by the google company so youtube bans crypto accounts or vids then yeah but why on other google service such as playstore and chrome browser i can still see crypto apps and crypto ads .

i think maybe because people paid for it but not all because its also possible to advertise for free and also possible to upload a game for free but infact the ad poster or game uploader are the ones that are getting paid for views and downloads .

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This is why I think someone needs to create a "Decentralized" video channel. Wasn't THETA supposed to be working on something like that?

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The scary part is that it doesn't give warning strikes like it usually does when you violate rules and regulations in Youtube.
Im worried that my favourite crypto youtubers gets ban because that's where i get some info about the Bitcoin price and also cryptocurrency news.

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 22, 2020, 05:11:31 AM

Someone should make a concerted attempt to migrate but we all know they'll fail. Centralisation = convenience. I'm not going to fire up some obscure client to watch one guy dribble on and no one else will either.

If my livelihood depended on staying in the good graces of one remote and mercurial entity I would certainly be nervous but that's how it has to be.

How do you even start it? If creators move first, they will have to endure huge loses until their audience comes, many of whom might never follows, and also creators' subscriber growth will be greatly reduced, because a decentralized platform will have a fraction of Youtube's users, and there won't be any sort of advanced algorithm that matches viewers with new creators.

And if the users move first, then again why would creators move to a minority platform if they can stay on Youtube and keep making more money.

Right now Youtube is an undisputed monopolist of mainstream video hosting, even centralized competitors are miles behind it, so what chance do the decentralized ones really have? I think they will keep being a small niche tool for people who need their exact properties like censorship resistance.

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Quote from: Sendoku on April 22, 2020, 10:04:12 AM

Though google is quite a tyrannical corp, it's more than likely it happened automatically, the service doesn't have enough people to manually check all the content. I wouldn't be surprised though, even if they knew they banned crypto channel, they wouldn't restore it if not for considerable fanbase

I remember hearing like months ago that most of the channels related to crypto currencies that got banned was a mistake. Their algorithm went rouge and started to flag contents that were talking about crypto currencies since that algorithm took them for ponzie promoter.
If I recall correctly, all those accounts were unbanned and their contents were restored. I wouldn't be surprised if they were just testing something and it went wrong, or was checking how the community would react if crypto related topics were removed from youtube (which made no sense?).

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 22, 2020, 10:11:45 PM

Quote from: oxgroth on April 22, 2020, 07:41:35 AM

Youtube want to purge all crypto content

If they wanted it, then they would have done it, they could have easily banned all the big channels, the smaller ones would leave on their own due to the loss of revenue, and Youtube could even run their algorithms to automatically delete crypto videos. And nothing about it would have been illegal, because it's their platform and they can delete any content they want.

But they don't do any of that, because they are not anti-crypto.

This is one thing that is proven by the most prolific crypto promoter of bitconnect who has started their own blockchain program and just started shilling it 5 minutes ago. I just happened upon it when logging into youtube to see if I had message pop up on there. And there it was with 122 views within 3 minutes. Roll Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O00ynAU9mSk

Notice the silver youtube award in the backround given to those who have over tens of thousands of subscriptions to their channel?
Now youtube should be banning these type of channels which are only used to promote projects which end up scamming their customers in the end and now promoting their own ponzi scheme. And if you say bitconnect was not a ponzi scheme and an outright scam, then I dont know what to say any further about your certain point of view on the situation youtube has put the crypto community on their platform. Undecided

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It seems to me that with such a bad attitude towards content makers we should already move to a more free platform

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Quote from: oxgroth on April 22, 2020, 07:41:35 AM

Youtube want to purge all crypto content

If they wanted it, then they would have done it, they could have easily banned all the big channels, the smaller ones would leave on their own due to the loss of revenue, and Youtube could even run their algorithms to automatically delete crypto videos. And nothing about it would have been illegal, because it's their platform and they can delete any content they want.

But they don't do any of that, because they are not anti-crypto.

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 22, 2020, 05:11:31 AM

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 21, 2020, 12:16:16 AM

And if these crypto guys are so cool, why don't they move to some decentralized video hosting service? They talk about crypto and blockchain, yet they still choose to stick with the centralized platform, because that's where the money is.

Someone should make a concerted attempt to migrate but we all know they'll fail. Centralisation = convenience. I'm not going to fire up some obscure client to watch one guy dribble on and no one else will either.

If my livelihood depended on staying in the good graces of one remote and mercurial entity I would certainly be nervous but that's how it has to be.

Agreed, while I do not really watch YouTube videos about cryptocurrencies if those content creators only wanted the truth out there then any platform regardless of the number of people using it would be good enough for their purposes, but they are trying to monetize their content and in that case there is no platform like YouTube so they do not really have any option but to try to remain in good graces with their algorithms.

However I keep thinking it is highly unlikely this is a mistake and most likely YouTube is trying to slowly but surely try to clean their platform from this type of content.

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Quote from: oxgroth on April 22, 2020, 07:41:35 AM

Youtube want to purge all crypto content

This is the only viable option of this entire thing which is going on.
As I had mentioned on a thread I made when this all started which I will reopen since one of them on the list I made of the crypto youtubers involved, are suing youtube in a blatant disregard to following their own rules catered to their own customers. Angry

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5241100.new#new

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Though google is quite a tyrannical corp, it's more than likely it happened automatically, the service doesn't have enough people to manually check all the content. I wouldn't be surprised though, even if they knew they banned crypto channel, they wouldn't restore it if not for considerable fanbase

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Youtube want to purge all crypto content

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 21, 2020, 12:16:16 AM

And if these crypto guys are so cool, why don't they move to some decentralized video hosting service? They talk about crypto and blockchain, yet they still choose to stick with the centralized platform, because that's where the money is.

Someone should make a concerted attempt to migrate but we all know they'll fail. Centralisation = convenience. I'm not going to fire up some obscure client to watch one guy dribble on and no one else will either.

If my livelihood depended on staying in the good graces of one remote and mercurial entity I would certainly be nervous but that's how it has to be.

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In a few days ago, I read about Tone Vays channels has been deleted by Youtube, and now, I see crypto Youtuber BTCSessions, but I glad that they can get their account back after voicing in twitter with his fans. Perhaps, there is negotiating between Youtube and them, so Youtube opens their channel again, or Youtube already fixed the problem.

I don't think that is because of their algorithm, but perhaps, there is a code that needs to review by Youtube, so this will not happen in the future.

But if you read about Youtube reaction regard of banning the account on forbes.com.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2019/12/26/googles-youtube-goes-to-war-with-bitcoin-and-crypto-update/#3765efee1b63

Youtube said:

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[Update: 5:05am EST 12/27/2019] YouTube has said the decision to ban bitcoin and cryptocurrency videos from its site was an "error" and the removed videos would be reinstated.

"With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call," a YouTube spokesman told crypto news site Decrypt. "When it's brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it."

But we don't know if what Youtube said is true because I don't think they will tell the truth to the public. But we can hope that will not happen with other channels who provide crypto information to the public.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 21, 2020, 12:16:16 AM

I personally don't care about any crypto youtubers, so many of them are actually promoting scams or just giving poor advice, they are the same as those low-quality Medium bloggers or crypto news sites writers. If youtube banned Andreas Antonopoulos, then I'd be quite frustrated, but as long as it's some nonames, I'm not going to grab a pitchfork.

And if these crypto guys are so cool, why don't they move to some decentralized video hosting service? They talk about crypto and blockchain, yet they still choose to stick with the centralized platform, because that's where the money is.

Totally agree with you.
I saw so many people trying to shill their coins, while having 0 clue of their purposes.

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Quote from: pooya87 on April 21, 2020, 12:34:31 AM

i think it is initially done based on the reports these videos receive then based on their subject. and considering the fact that all the youtube videos i have seen removed or the accounts that i have seen suspended were either promoting some sort of scam or have been misleading people with their "market analysis" which was basically drawing random lines on charts, i say the removal is well deserved unless proven otherwise.

Youtube has capabilities to automatically take actions against videos and channels by analyzing their content, for example it quickly demonetizes videos that feature swastikas or other nazi symbolic, just because in the past there were incidents when advertisers had their ads placed on some neonazi propaganda videos. So, technically Youtube can run something similar against crypto channels, but I doubt that they are doing that right now. Maybe they will do it in the future though, but it won't necessary mean that they will try to censor all of crypto.

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Quote from: boltinblue on April 21, 2020, 08:48:53 AM

We can all rant and rave at YouTube's policies, but the truth is we need YouTube more than they need us. Losing a few crypto-influencers means nothing in the grand scheme of things. YouTube have your habits, watch history, search history, basically your life. They know what to push infront of your eyes as alternative media. There's no stopping the Google/YouTube juggernaut.

I don't agree with your statement that we need youtube more than he needs us. Youtube itself has been working on crypto ads for long times before decide to ban crypto channels.
The policy of youtube has been changed simultaniously with facebook banning crypto. It's clear that giants of ads [youtube/facebook] either want to curb the spreadness of cryptocurrencies as both of them has an alternative,Libra for facebook and google cards. Or they obey the policies applied by legal authorities which is still trying to maximum limit the existence/use of crypto.

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Usually Youtube just warn the youtuber or remove the video that violates their guidelines. They rarely suspend accounts. It seems they have zero tolerance with crypto related content.
I agree with joniboini that migrating to other platforms will be very costly especially in terms of revenues and the number of subscribers. But is there any better alternative!

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Quote from: thirdkiller on April 21, 2020, 04:19:53 AM

Why does Youtube do this? After all, it is obvious that this will only lead to dissatisfaction with the crypto community

I still don't know how youtube is handling this kind of stuff, I mean I don't know how they are probing with these channels and they find out that their contents are commercially deceptive or scamming in a way when these content creators are only saying what they have in their mind ,more likely their opinion and views towards the market. And yes, with this kind of news it will impact the market and the image of crypto will be at large. We'll be having a huge problem if this continue or if youtube really finds out that there is something wrong, at least with submission to legal terms, then it would be a huge blast for crypto.

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There are many things to consider in this difficult matter. For one, I agree that it seems unclear whether it's actually faulty algorithms or Youtube Policy at this moment because there've been too many incidents like this one lately. On the other hand, many crypto YouTubers are in the gray area. It seems to me that nobody actually got banned with a channel consisting of purely educational videos on Bitcoin, blockchain and stuff like that. Many crypto channels do reviews of quite shady projects or give advice (even though they say they don't) on trading and stuff. It's not an outright scam, but it's also not neutral. At the same time, however, there are always a ton of clearly scamming videos on Youtube but the algorithms are not dealing with them efficiently. Just type 'crypto giveaway' at any moment and see what you get on the first page...

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