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Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 114. (Read 710164 times)

legendary
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December 05, 2014, 02:36:11 PM
Interesting, so maybe the people messing with their voltage settings inadvertently stumbled on a workaround.  Also, maybe try a better regulated PSU, or run directly from a big SLA battery?

this one s3 is running with its own psu (rm850) which works fine on the other miners, also tried with delta 2000 same results
newbie
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December 05, 2014, 02:20:34 PM
Interesting, so maybe the people messing with their voltage settings inadvertently stumbled on a workaround.  Also, maybe try a better regulated PSU, or run directly from a big SLA battery?
hero member
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December 05, 2014, 02:19:35 PM
As an outside observer I have to say, CHAOSiTECs question is and was very easy to understand.  pekatete didn't actually answer the question and then went straight to attacking CHAOSiTEC for no reason that I can see, and now seems to have digressed to trolling.
I can not see how that answers the question, so I'll add to it thus: If you have nothing to say, do not say it!
hero member
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December 05, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
Since pekatete seems inclined to be useless - here's my understanding:

I *beleive* the difference had something to do with the dc/dc regulators being either sub-par or of a lower rating in the s3. As a result, power to the chips was inconsistent at higher clockrates
No need to have a dig at me ... believe me. But that you did, and your suggestion of the dc/dc regulators, I suppose those should work well at lower freqs then .... and not cause the rig to drop off in speed .... or is that just an answer to provide room for name calling (or to make you look clever when you clearly are not)?
legendary
Activity: 1358
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December 05, 2014, 02:09:23 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
Since pekatete seems inclined to be useless - here's my understanding:

I *beleive* the difference had something to do with the dc/dc regulators being either sub-par or of a lower rating in the s3. As a result, power to the chips was inconsistent at higher clockrates

ahh, so in principle, i could change the dc/dc regulators and get the antminer to perform better
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
December 05, 2014, 02:04:44 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
Since pekatete seems inclined to be useless - here's my understanding:

I *beleive* the difference had something to do with the dc/dc regulators being either sub-par or of a lower rating in the s3. As a result, power to the chips was inconsistent at higher clockrates
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
December 05, 2014, 02:03:59 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
You've got both. Open them up and see the difference (the chips have numbers on them!) rather than waste every-body else's time with your circular question!

im really starting to wonder who pissed you off today...

i am asking an engineering question, that i have been trying to figure out for a while, i have had both opened, but not spotted any visual differences, since it can be alot off different things, i am asking here, since, there might be someone who knows...

you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
You've got both. Open them up and see the difference (the chips have numbers on them!) rather than waste every-body else's time with your circular question!

As an outside observer I have to say, CHAOSiTECs question is and was very easy to understand.  pekatete didn't actually answer the question and then went straight to attacking CHAOSiTEC for no reason that I can see, and now seems to have digressed to trolling.

newbie
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Merit: 0
December 05, 2014, 01:59:43 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
You've got both. Open them up and see the difference (the chips have numbers on them!) rather than waste every-body else's time with your circular question!

As an outside observer I have to say, CHAOSiTECs question is and was very easy to understand.  pekatete didn't actually answer the question and then went straight to attacking CHAOSiTEC for no reason that I can see, and now seems to have digressed to trolling.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
December 05, 2014, 01:46:19 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
You've got both. Open them up and see the difference (the chips have numbers on them!) rather than waste every-body else's time with your circular question!
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
December 05, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?

omg.. really??

ok, asking everyone else ...

What was the engineering difference between S3 and S3+
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
December 05, 2014, 01:27:26 PM
you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
If you know what you are asking for, why ask in the first place?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
December 05, 2014, 01:21:48 PM

let me put this differently then, since you seem to think im dissing your work (which im not!)

several antminer S3s work fine, and can be overclocked, but some will over time, gradually slow down.

i have tried the following on my antminer S3:

changed thermal paste

overclocked (no noticeable change in the few HWs generated)

underclocked

changed voltage from 0700 to 0785

this particular unit will still over time go slower and slower,

so, i am asking, what is the difference between the S3 and the S3+ since it took bitmaintech a whole month to correct whatever they discovered was wrong, and i am asking if anyone know what got changed...

the other S3 i have, work fine, and is overclocked, running with a slight higher voltage as well, and that unit is running hotter than the trouble unit..

1. How were we supposed to know all that extra detail when you first asked the question? Last I checked, there are no mind readers on this forum (let alone thread!).
2. Do not feel obliged to ask your question clearly on the back of my thinking you are dissing my "work". Ask your question clearly if you want an answer to your question, else, you'll get what whoever reads it thinks you are asking.
3. Since it seems you believe you have exhausted all avenues, here's one; Swap boards with one of your "working" S3's
I'm done here.

actually, i did:

anyone know what the exact problem was on the S3 that they fixed in S3+ ?

since i have one s3 that will start out fine, but will slowly drift downward in hashing speed, i was thinking that i could fix it myself if i knew what the difference was between s3 and s3+

you gave me possible solutions, but not what i asked for, that is the difference...
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
December 05, 2014, 01:18:05 PM

let me put this differently then, since you seem to think im dissing your work (which im not!)

several antminer S3s work fine, and can be overclocked, but some will over time, gradually slow down.

i have tried the following on my antminer S3:

changed thermal paste

overclocked (no noticeable change in the few HWs generated)

underclocked

changed voltage from 0700 to 0785

this particular unit will still over time go slower and slower,

so, i am asking, what is the difference between the S3 and the S3+ since it took bitmaintech a whole month to correct whatever they discovered was wrong, and i am asking if anyone know what got changed...

the other S3 i have, work fine, and is overclocked, running with a slight higher voltage as well, and that unit is running hotter than the trouble unit..

1. How were we supposed to know all that extra detail when you first asked the question? Last I checked, there are no mind readers on this forum (let alone thread!).
2. Do not feel obliged to ask your question clearly on the back of my thinking you are dissing my "work". Ask your question clearly if you want an answer to your question, else, you'll get what whoever reads it thinks you are asking.
3. Since it seems you believe you have exhausted all avenues, here's one; Swap boards with one of your "working" S3's
I'm done here.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
December 05, 2014, 01:05:55 PM
anyone know what the exact problem was on the S3 that they fixed in S3+ ?

since i have one s3 that will start out fine, but will slowly drift downward in hashing speed, i was thinking that i could fix it myself if i knew what the difference was between s3 and s3+
Heat dissipation. Re-apply the heat paste (possibly use a better type), swap the paste with heatpads on the chips / front heatsink, tighten both heatsinks properly and update to latest firmware. Voilla, you have an S3+ !

EDIT: by the way, you can also use the voltage setting in the new firmware to help with efficiency / overclocking, see my sig!

already tried that with no effect (and yes i know how to apply the paste :-p )

besides, this particular S3 is not the one running the hottest, its actually one of the lowest in terms of temp, i think there is an engineering part in this that makes up for the difference between the S3s and S3+s...

What is stopping you from classifying it as an S3+ then? Can it not run at higher freqs without a load of HW errors? I have just pointed you to a good solution to efficiently running (even overclocking) with the voltage, but you dissed that with contempt. I only made that post yesterday, but have been toying with it for over a week, so I know what I am talking about there (wouldn't have posted if I was not sure).

The ONLY documented reason, in these hallowed pages no less, has been lack of adequate heat dissipation which leads to HW errors when you try to OC. Combine the two, i.e proper voltage setting at the running freq + good heat dissipation and you have, no doubt, an S3+ !

But hey, you asked the question and got an answer, it is (again!) the proverbial taking a horse to the water hole but cannot force the damn thing to drink!

let me put this differently then, since you seem to think im dissing your work (which im not!)

several antminer S3s work fine, and can be overclocked, but some will over time, gradually slow down.

i have tried the following on my antminer S3:

changed thermal paste

overclocked (no noticeable change in the few HWs generated)

underclocked

changed voltage from 0700 to 0785

this particular unit will still over time go slower and slower,

so, i am asking, what is the difference between the S3 and the S3+ since it took bitmaintech a whole month to correct whatever they discovered was wrong, and i am asking if anyone know what got changed...

the other S3 i have, work fine, and is overclocked, running with a slight higher voltage as well, and that unit is running hotter than the trouble unit..

hero member
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December 05, 2014, 12:55:20 PM
anyone know what the exact problem was on the S3 that they fixed in S3+ ?

since i have one s3 that will start out fine, but will slowly drift downward in hashing speed, i was thinking that i could fix it myself if i knew what the difference was between s3 and s3+
Heat dissipation. Re-apply the heat paste (possibly use a better type), swap the paste with heatpads on the chips / front heatsink, tighten both heatsinks properly and update to latest firmware. Voilla, you have an S3+ !

EDIT: by the way, you can also use the voltage setting in the new firmware to help with efficiency / overclocking, see my sig!

already tried that with no effect (and yes i know how to apply the paste :-p )

besides, this particular S3 is not the one running the hottest, its actually one of the lowest in terms of temp, i think there is an engineering part in this that makes up for the difference between the S3s and S3+s...

What is stopping you from classifying it as an S3+ then? Can it not run at higher freqs without a load of HW errors? I have just pointed you to a good solution to efficiently running (even overclocking) with the voltage, but you dissed that with contempt. I only made that post yesterday, but have been toying with it for over a week, so I know what I am talking about there (wouldn't have posted if I was not sure).

The ONLY documented reason, in these hallowed pages no less, has been lack of adequate heat dissipation which leads to HW errors when you try to OC. Combine the two, i.e proper voltage setting at the running freq + good heat dissipation and you have, no doubt, an S3+ !

But hey, you asked the question and got an answer, it is (again!) the proverbial taking a horse to the water hole but cannot force the damn thing to drink!
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
December 05, 2014, 12:40:55 PM
anyone know what the exact problem was on the S3 that they fixed in S3+ ?

since i have one s3 that will start out fine, but will slowly drift downward in hashing speed, i was thinking that i could fix it myself if i knew what the difference was between s3 and s3+
Heat dissipation. Re-apply the heat paste (possibly use a better type), swap the paste with heatpads on the chips / front heatsink, tighten both heatsinks properly and update to latest firmware. Voilla, you have an S3+ !

EDIT: by the way, you can also use the voltage setting in the new firmware to help with efficiency / overclocking, see my sig!

already tried that with no effect (and yes i know how to apply the paste :-p )

besides, this particular S3 is not the one running the hottest, its actually one of the lowest in terms of temp, i think there is an engineering part in this that makes up for the difference between the S3s and S3+s...
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
December 05, 2014, 11:52:22 AM
anyone know what the exact problem was on the S3 that they fixed in S3+ ?

since i have one s3 that will start out fine, but will slowly drift downward in hashing speed, i was thinking that i could fix it myself if i knew what the difference was between s3 and s3+
Heat dissipation. Re-apply the heat paste (possibly use a better type), swap the paste with heatpads on the chips / front heatsink, tighten both heatsinks properly and update to latest firmware. Voilla, you have an S3+ !

EDIT: by the way, you can also use the voltage setting in the new firmware to help with efficiency / overclocking, see my sig!
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
December 05, 2014, 11:48:33 AM
anyone know what the exact problem was on the S3 that they fixed in S3+ ?

since i have one s3 that will start out fine, but will slowly drift downward in hashing speed, i was thinking that i could fix it myself if i knew what the difference was between s3 and s3+
newbie
Activity: 64
Merit: 0
December 05, 2014, 11:38:46 AM
not sure I trust the new firmware, all my GHS are all of a sudden down in the 100s per S3 three hours after the update

Number one rule of flashing firmware updates. If your rig is working do not flash any new firmware. Mine is working just fine on the old firmware and I have no intentions of flashing it ever if it keeps operating as it does.

I wanted my reset button to work, and to have the ability to factory reset with it. I think not being able to factory reset will eventually result in getting bricked out of a system.

People have screwed up ethernet settings and could not get in through the ethernet port or wifi. But they were able to get in via the serial header on the controller board and reset everything.

I assumed there was a way to do that, similar to other embedded systems, but, that's precisely the reason I would like to have a reset button that works.  The difference in time to factory reset via an externally accessible button versus the time it takes to dig my usb to serial dongle out of a box, and open the S3 and connect to a serial header is fairly substantial.
newbie
Activity: 64
Merit: 0
December 05, 2014, 11:32:56 AM
not sure I trust the new firmware, all my GHS are all of a sudden down in the 100s per S3 three hours after the update

Number one rule of flashing firmware updates. If your rig is working do not flash any new firmware. Mine is working just fine on the old firmware and I have no intentions of flashing it ever if it keeps operating as it does.

I have both the computer and S3 on a UPS when I update firmware... I am OCD masta

When flashing that is not OCD. That is called essential planning.


To be clear, there was no failure in the actual update of the firmware, I even let it clear settings, everything booted and ran fine for about an hour, then all of a sudden the GHS went down to the double digits for no reason.  Restarting cgminer didn't help, rebooting didn't fix it.
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